SecondLife.com Land Auctions - Fraud and Liable Consideration against Linden Labs et

A clever ruse by the Lab.

anyway all the lindens had to say was the minimum bid reqiurement was not reached, and that the land would be reauctioned... but they didn't, they sent an e-mail that said payup ... they did... they paid in USD... the lindens accepted the payment (and are still holding it btw)... but the sims they took back are back in auction... (about land on MU for an example)

as soon as the Lindens accepted USD... Linden Law no longer applied... US Law applies...

Got into a store and buy a candybar for 1$US... walk out... get down the street, unwrap it... take a bite out... The Store owner knocks you down and takes back the rest of the candybar and puts it on the shelf for $1000US ... its still THEFT...

Truth in advertising laws, applies

Fraudulent Conveance, applies...

Assault Applies....

and in the case of a half eaten candybar... health laws apply

Just because the candybar normally does sell for $1000US... the store owner is bound by the $1 price tag...

Find ANY Item marked incorrectly at ANY store... by law, the store MUST sell the item at the ADVERTISED price... be glad mez is giving linden Labs the CHANCE to come clean... from the looks of things, SOMEONE is STILL going to go to jail, even if Mez isn't the one to put them there... IF LL wises up about what the lower lindens are doing, someone is at least going to get fired... Last Month's $11 Million... Kiss that goodbye... if i were an investor, I'd already be reading these threads from the safety of another country without extradition...

Adam Linden told Thunder (and yes he and mez are different people) 'Good Luck in the Auctions' when he INSTRUCTED Thunder how to check the auction numbers and find the auction that he bid on and is now being put 'ON HOLD' for... even AFTER Thunder pointed out the US$0 price tag. ... and YES... ADAM's Instructions INCLUDED 'Check to make sure you have the right auction number.'

the ONLY place the auction number can be checked... is in the address bar... hence, The Lindens KNEW and were giving instructions on how to bid on any auction with a number ... if it didn't have a number.... or the number was an auction already closed... it wasn't up for bid... even though it was blue on the map

Lindens Messed up... all Mez is saying in his email, 'make it right...' ... if they don't make it right... everyone is going to loose everything...

You are completely missing a point; it is like stealing a bank account number and password to steal money from a bank. And when bank noticed this, and suspended your account, you start to scream:
"omg, i am a regular bank customer, they suspended a customer's account, i found the account id and password on a table in the bank, and entered my internet bank account, the internet bank account page said i could withdraw, send money. i could buy foreign currencies, i could buy things using my e-card. BUT THEY SUSPENDED MY ACCOUNT! THIS IS ILLEGAL"
But the problem is, the account is stolen

yes it was to 1000.oo usd makeing the next person to bid 1001.00usd the law says even 1 usd increase in the normal price is a crime

how comes i see no oficial statement from ll.
if it was an exploit surely they musta posted somewere to say what happend and the exploit is fixed.

Out of sight out of mind, comes to my mind.

Why do people write public mails like this?



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So the item is not worth more than you paid for but you can make a profit when reselling immediatly without providing any additional value to the goods? Isn't that a strange contradiction?

Personally I think it's poorly worded. The parts where things were done that can be considered illegal in court are mostly left out and a lot of excuses and silly requests are added. If you think you can win this go to court but spare us the drama. Up to now I wouldn't have said LL should sue but by now I'm starting to have doubts. Maybe they should and they should recuperate all the costs they made related to the incidents from those who participated in it. That can even include the workinghours of a Linden who bids on an auction. The only thing they need to do is show that what he did was not a real bid but a way to remedy the situation for that specific case.

Let me give you the view of an outsider in the SL land-market looking in.

In all honesty Summer, you come across in this email as someone infused with a sense of self-righteousness, to the point where it has completely overcome your good judgement. Your demands for instance... you want your tier fees abolished and a free lifetime account? The center of your argument is that LL has stolen real currency from you, and thus real US law applies. To then go back and ask for some free stuff in-game makes you look ridiculous.

You also threaten with laws that, supposedly, would allow the government to sieze all of LL's computers, as well as any other computers involved. Do you honestly believe that such an action will be taken because a few subscribers to a video game were cheated out of such a small amount of money?

The same also applies to your decision to email this to multiple news sources. Do you honestly believe this will be followed up by any reporters?

Finally, I would like to address the issue of your reputation being tarnished. I have not seen LL come out and publicly denounce you. Perhaps it is noted somewhere on the website or forums, but it is not very visible. It was after you posted here on the forums, detailing your case and asking for the community for support, that people turned on you. They read what you had to say, and based on that they passed their own unbiased judgement - that you deserved what you got. Do not blaime this on LL, you brought it on yourself.


What you need to do right now is step back and try to push back your anger for long enough to think about this clearly. As far as I can tell, you have a perfectly fine case to go to LL, and pose this whole issue as a misunderstanding, because that's what it is. LL thought that you were intentionally attempting to exploit their auction system, when in reality you did not think that there was anything wrong with what you were doing. You could ask to have your account reinstated and your money reimbursed, and this entire issue could be cleared up.

But if you continue to pursue this like you are, you will wind up doing nothing more than sealing your own reputation's doom beyond return, while leaving LL to carry on as they are, without so much as a scratch.

Those are my newbie's 2 cents.. talk about a first post.

Yes, US Law does apply, you now have your region. You can't log in to get to it, but then you weren't paying for guaranteed login, and the TOS explicitly says you don't have that.



In that case, the human owner of the candybar - the store owner - was involved in the process. In the auction case it appears that only the auction system was involved.



The sim was not advertised, the page was not on public view.



Totally wrong. A store can refuse to sell to you for any reason.



If you can show that Adam explicitly instructed Thunder to access the page by typing the auction number into the URL the OK. If he just said "check the auction list", then that would mean he would have to follow from the auction list page, which did not include the US$1 auctions.



Nope.. it can be checked by going to the auction front page and reading the numbers shown in the left hand column.

Tell me, are you going to tell the court that the regions are worth US$1000? If you do, they'll ask why you didn't think it was odd you were getting them for US$1. If you don't, they'll ask why you're bringing a fraud case over something worth US$2, and LL's lawyer will pass you a five-buck note across the court as compensation for all 3 sims.

When you enter an auction from the auction list, the URL you visit has the auction ID number at the end of the URL.

What these people did was to visit land areas, see the auction ID, and then manually type it into the end of the URL, thus accessing an auction that wasn't shown on the auction list and as a result hadn't yet been initialised with the reserve.

As far as I can tell, from reading the posts here, the auction was accessed by editting the auction ID into the URL. When people have made this accusation, the rebuttals never came out and said "I first accessed the auction from the list on the auction web site." There was some similar but vague language, such as "It was up on the site for anyone to outbid" (once he had placed his bid through the exploit it would have forced the auction onto the public list anyway).

So what do you say Summer? Are you open to reasonable compromise?

all i did was post what i was sent and asked to post shed some light on the subject
the people with accounts on hold can not get on here

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