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If Stipends Are Ended, Boycott Lindex

Tiger Zobel
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05-23-2006 03:32
From: Lewis Nerd

None of those things you mention require *any* skill or thought, and are all part of the problem that has screwed the economy and made a joke of any way of measuring quality of anything in-world.
Did I mention skill? Nope... I mentioned thought and effort...

Thought being "how can I make some money?" Thought being "there are events that will entertain me while I can make some money." Thought being "I win, the host wins... great!"
Yes, I can see how no thought was required...

Effort being finding the events, taking part in the treasure hunts, (and if you dare to say that's no effort, you've never taken part in one...) finding a camping spot that isn't/wasn't already taken, searching for money trees that still exist... (a lot of them came and went within days...)
Yes... no effort at all...
From: someone
Now, without handouts, would you like to try again and explain how a newbie can make a 'reasonable income' within just a few days in world?

Lewis

Ah... the "I will not accept defeat so I'll change the argument" tactic...

You asked how a "clueless newbie" could make a reasonable income within days, I've provided you with a way to do just that.
Now, however, you want to change it to exclude any "handouts"

Since all the money out there is created by some form of handout, you're wanting me to exclude all the money in SL and then show you how to earn money. Spot the fallacy...



Oh, and since all the money in the economy was created by stipends/dwell/event support (also known as handouts) all the methods I mentioned are simply redistributing the available money... not creating any wealth at all.
You want to tell me just how redistributing money has screwed the economy? Please remember that buy/selling content is also redistributing money and therefore is also screwing the economy...
Derry McTeague
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05-23-2006 12:26
i checked at one time , altho at an old currency exchange site, ige, and spending (the ammount of money you spend on a premium account) money buying lindens gets you just about the same ammount of lindens in the end, or small enough a difference to make it inconsequential; so unless You own land, and need a premium account, taking the stipend away, will not matter;
Ranma Tardis
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05-23-2006 12:35
From: Rasah Tigereye
That's like saying don't buy gas from stations on a certain day to boycot gas prices. Someone somewhere will still always need gas. (especially if your online game's appartment rent is paid with "gas";)


Silly Rabbit! We do not need to buy any content to play Second Life! My inventory is so clogged with objects it is silly. While on the other hand you need to sell content to make money to pay tier or rent!

I second! If the stipends are dropped boycott buying the Linden!
Ranma Tardis
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05-23-2006 12:41
From: Mad Wombat
The point is to support LL with our money or the grid will be closed down for good soon. In my opinion, everyone should pay to play.


I refuse to lose money to support some content provider or landlord! Dropping Stipend will get me to drop to basic and boycott buying Lindens! Any Lindens I acquire will come from sales of my super secret satellite system! Giggle, laugh this stuff is ah so funny...............



About Linden Labs surviving? It is not my job to support Lindens labs, they are not my family............If their business practices destroy them well so what?
Rasah Tigereye
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Join date: 30 Nov 2003
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05-23-2006 13:00
From: Ranma Tardis
Silly Rabbit! We do not need to buy any content to play Second Life! My inventory is so clogged with objects it is silly. While on the other hand you need to sell content to make money to pay tier or rent!

I second! If the stipends are dropped boycott buying the Linden!



Which comes to the other falacy in what you're proposing. If you don't buy any content, then you obviously don't buy any linden. So how will your boycotting of Lindex change anything? It's no different than Southern Baptists boycotting Disney, when many of them never bothered to go to Disney, anyway. Or other Christian organizations boycotting Ford for advertizing in gay magazines, when many of then never bother to buy anything from Ford, either.

And no, I don't need to sell content. I don't pay rent or tier (free account here), but I do make money from SL that helps me offset my RL payments a bit. I mainly do that through investments and such. Problem is, unlike content sales which simply allows you to adjust your prices for inflation, investments typically involve large amounts of money moving from place to place, and then sitting for a while. The $650USD worth off Linden that I have sitting some place one day will be worth less when I move it to another location the next.
Ranma Tardis
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05-23-2006 13:11
From: Rasah Tigereye
Which comes to the other falacy in what you're proposing. If you don't buy any content, then you obviously don't buy any linden. So how will youur boycotting of Lindex change anything? It's no different than Southern Baptists boycotting Disney, when many of them never bothered to go to Disney, anyway. Or other Christian organizations boycotting Ford for advertizing in gay magazines, when many of then never bother to buy anything from Ford, either.


I buy content with my stipend. It is not worth changing into dollars. So I tend to buy things with it even if not needed. Don’t you get it yet? No stipend means no Lindens which means no content purchases for me. Most residents spend their stipends; I would never spend real money on this crud. Instead of inflating the currency, being used for content sales then being paid in rent, etc. It will not be there at all. The economy of second life will decrease by this amount. True some residents will buy Lindens but not all or as much.
Tammany Goodliffe
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05-23-2006 13:40
From: Tiger Zobel
It's very possible... all it requires is a little thought and effort...Ah, the "some people can't do it so it must be impossible" argument... Do I have to explain just why that's a fallacy?
Lewis, certain things can help anyone make that amount of money... Freeslot events just for starters.
Treasure hunts, money orbs, camping... and for the clueless newbies, the money trees.

A few minutes thought and a little effort results in a healthy income...



I collected a few pretty pennies that way when I first started, too, actually, and had a lot of fun doing so. At the time, I thought to myself, "how nice of these landowners to provide newbs like myself with such an easy and enjoyable way to earn money!".

Of course, I was completely unaware of the fact that these very creative and generous landowners were being paid back for all that swag with dwell, which made it more of a symbiotic relationship- we got something, they got something, everybody happy. But with the coming end of dwell, all that's about to become history.

So bully for us, who found that our measley basic stipend was easily enhanced by playing games and dancing the night away, and too bad, so sad for the newbs of the future who will find such events rather scarce once dwell ends and those payments and prizes become true charity- landowners paying out a lot more than they'll earn back and ending up in the red.

Everything I really wanted to say on the subject has already been written by others more articulate anyway, but I'll just add that I like the idea of giving basic accounts enough money to buy a taste of the fun stuff, the cool clothes, what have you, and I hope at least of few of them will buy these things from me, because I'm paying some pretty hefty (for me, anyway) tier nowadays, and I'd like to earn a bit back. I don't need to earn a living here, but it's almost as much fun to make money as it is to spend money, you know?

As to what you can really get for that measley stipend... addicted. That's what. Worked for me.

Ending stipends for either basic or premium accounts is just plain bad business.
Rasah Tigereye
"Buckaneer American"
Join date: 30 Nov 2003
Posts: 783
05-23-2006 14:58
From: Tammany Goodliffe
I collected a few pretty pennies that way when I first started, too, actually, and had a lot of fun doing so. At the time, I thought to myself, "how nice of these landowners to provide newbs like myself with such an easy and enjoyable way to earn money!".

Of course, I was completely unaware of the fact that these very creative and generous landowners were being paid back for all that swag with dwell, which made it more of a symbiotic relationship- we got something, they got something, everybody happy. But with the coming end of dwell, all that's about to become history.



From what the people at the top of the dwell list tell me, dwell pays VERY little. To the point that they don't even take it into consideration. You being there means that you might buy something there, and many of you's being there means people will see a lot of green dots on the map, and may come to check out what's going on. Plus usually just keeping some people around your place gives it a "something's happening here and it's not all abandoned" feel, whuch helps a lot too. I actually thought dwell has already been gotten rid of. I mean it's beed cut so drastically a while ago that it's almost useless now.
Rasah Tigereye
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05-23-2006 15:02
From: Ranma Tardis
I buy content with my stipend. It is not worth changing into dollars. So I tend to buy things with it even if not needed. Don’t you get it yet? No stipend means no Lindens which means no content purchases for me. Most residents spend their stipends; I would never spend real money on this crud. Instead of inflating the currency, being used for content sales then being paid in rent, etc. It will not be there at all. The economy of second life will decrease by this amount. True some residents will buy Lindens but not all or as much.


What if LindenLabs were to switch to a system where your monthly subscription would be used to buy Lindens on Lindex, with no land involved? Would that work out for you, since you're still PAYING that same $10 to play this game, and are still getting the same stippend?





P.S. I think the main argument here is not whether you should stop getting your measely $500l a week for $10US a month, but whether that $500 should be pulled out of thin air, or pulled out of the actual work and contribution that developers have put into the game (Lindex).
Ranma Tardis
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05-23-2006 17:07
From: Rasah Tigereye
What if LindenLabs were to switch to a system where your monthly subscription would be used to buy Lindens on Lindex, with no land involved? Would that work out for you, since you're still PAYING that same $10 to play this game, and are still getting the same stippend?





P.S. I think the main argument here is not whether you should stop getting your measely $500l a week for $10US a month, but whether that $500 should be pulled out of thin air, or pulled out of the actual work and contribution that developers have put into the game (Lindex).


No I do not like it..........It would raise my tier, do you really think I am limited to 512sq meters of land? No I signed up for a certain plan and it should be enforced until my one year ends. Then I will drop back to basic if the stipend is dropped and buy from Anshe Chung. Having land on the mainland is such a thrill............
Jamie Bergman
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Join date: 17 Feb 2005
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05-23-2006 17:31
From: Rasah Tigereye
That's like saying don't buy gas from stations on a certain day to boycot gas prices. Someone somewhere will still always need gas. (especially if your online game's appartment rent is paid with "gas";)


Yes, I always laugh at those "national don't buy gas days". I'm sure the oil companies laugh too... because they know that we all drive cars that operate on gasoline and HAVE to buy their product. I don't even really blame them for jacking the price of gas up to $3.00+ per gallon... we do live in a free market after all. More power to them.
Ranma Tardis
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05-23-2006 17:39
From: Jamie Bergman
Yes, I always laugh at those "national don't buy gas days". I'm sure the oil companies laugh too... because they know that we all drive cars that operate on gasoline and HAVE to buy their product. I don't even really blame them for jacking the price of gas up to $3.00+ per gallon... we do live in a free market after all. More power to them.


Bad comparison, People need to buy gasoline to drive their cars to get to work/school etc. We in second life do not have to buy your content to play. Understand what I am saying??
Dmitri Polonsky
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Join date: 26 Aug 2005
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05-23-2006 22:29
From: Star Sleestak
Allow me give every economic genius on the board a pearl of knowledge....


Nothing is worth more than someone is willing to pay for it.

And this goes double for entertainment.




Those of you who believe that eliminating stipends will cause people to buy from Lindex at any price you care to set; you are wrong. The buyers will just hold out until the prices drop. If you don't believe me, look at what happens at Christmas time every year. Consumers know the stores stock up for Christmas and they need to move the merchandise before inventory in the beginning of the year. So they wait and wait until the prices drop. This is why you see mad crowds in the mall the week before Christmas, the prices are the lowest they will get.

People don't have to log into SL. Plenty on the net to do, plenty of RL places to spend money. Hell, if I wanted to wait you guys out, I can just go to the library (free!), the video store, the movies. the bookstores. I can turn on the TV, the radio. And that's just things I can do in my house. There are public parks, zoos, video game arcades, museums, amusement parks, et

And for those who really want to be in SL, we don't have to buy content in world either. We can deal with merchants with real currency in SLexchange and other sites. It's nice to be able to buy L$ and go to different shops in world, but we don't need to.

So you will join me in refusing to buy L$ if stipends are ended?



Count me in.
Dmitri Polonsky
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05-23-2006 22:34
From: Kitty Minogue
This is ridiculous.

Get rid of stipends, what is the point in having a premium account? For that 512 m First Land that is surrounded by ugly builds and spinning FOR SALE cubes in the air...
I think I will pass on that and go back down to basic..

I will boycott lindex, I mean I never have needed to use it. All my stipends are used on luxuries I don't even need..and my sales support me just fine.

I guess i'm a page behind here, is there a post made by lindens that they are considering this or is it just a rumor on the forums?
If there is official word, can somebody link me to a post?


Actually it's a demand some of the panic inducing money mongers are making hoping to fool linden into doing something that would force us to buy thier L's. If LL did lsten personally I think we'd probably see prices on L's triple overnight due to thier absolutely insatiable greed to make it at other's expense. Wish they'd spend as much time creating content as panic.
Dmitri Polonsky
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05-23-2006 22:40
From: Tiger Zobel
Did I mention skill? Nope... I mentioned thought and effort...

Thought being "how can I make some money?" Thought being "there are events that will entertain me while I can make some money." Thought being "I win, the host wins... great!"
Yes, I can see how no thought was required...

Effort being finding the events, taking part in the treasure hunts, (and if you dare to say that's no effort, you've never taken part in one...) finding a camping spot that isn't/wasn't already taken, searching for money trees that still exist... (a lot of them came and went within days...)
Yes... no effort at all...
Ah... the "I will not accept defeat so I'll change the argument" tactic...

You asked how a "clueless newbie" could make a reasonable income within days, I've provided you with a way to do just that.
Now, however, you want to change it to exclude any "handouts"

Since all the money out there is created by some form of handout, you're wanting me to exclude all the money in SL and then show you how to earn money. Spot the fallacy...



Oh, and since all the money in the economy was created by stipends/dwell/event support (also known as handouts) all the methods I mentioned are simply redistributing the available money... not creating any wealth at all.
You want to tell me just how redistributing money has screwed the economy? Please remember that buy/selling content is also redistributing money and therefore is also screwing the economy...


The unfortunate thing is a lot of games/events in SL are rigged so they are really a non option to earn L's. As far as work most employers don't pay but rather give out tip jars and even take a cut of those tips thereby gaining free labor and income. Personally I wish pl would start refusing to work for any establishment that does NOT pay them an hourly rate to work for them.
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