Brainstorming: How to solve the economic problem
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CJ Carnot
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Join date: 23 Oct 2005
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05-17-2006 02:36
From: Jonas Pierterson I pay my premium fees for Linden Dollars thank you. Shove any other currency where only a hardware-lit prim shines. As for a sense of entitlement..I PAID FOR MY STIPEND. Your entitlement is to Linden Labs "play money" which in their own words has no value anyway. You're welcome to it, and that was the point I was trying to make with my "prim coins". Your entitlement doesn't extend to the content of anyone selling it to earn RL money. You BUY things with your stipend right ? So those are things their creator intended to earn money from and if for example a US$ micropayment system was implemented they'd all opt-in because currently the Linden is worthless, in part because it's being given away by LL instead of exchanged for US$ on the Lindex. What is your stipend worth now ? I wouldn't accept your Lindens from you so you couldn't buy my stuff. Every other content creator who actually wanted to earn money would do the same. You'd be left with the free stuff (and your worthless L$ stipend). Nothing wrong with that of course but you wouldn't and have never needed a stipend for it anyway.
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Dante Deledda
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Join date: 19 Mar 2006
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What do you think?
05-17-2006 03:01
Let people pay their premium account, and land with lindens (with an important discount respect to dollars, 5 %? 10 %? 20%?). This will generate a huge demand for lindens...
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CJ Carnot
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Join date: 23 Oct 2005
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05-17-2006 03:14
From: Yumi Murakami This isn't possible. If people are prepared to pay US$ for it, it will be sold for US$. No one would pay US$ for prim coins as no content creator who wanted US$ for their product would accept them. They'd be, by definition, worthless. As worthless as the L$ is currently becoming to anyone who actually wants to earn US$ for their products.
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UnWorldly Ng
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05-17-2006 06:59
How could we make primcoins that couldn't be forged?
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CJ Carnot
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Join date: 23 Oct 2005
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05-17-2006 07:41
a) who cares ! they're worthless if the "real" economy is using US$ micropayments  b) The UUID of all prim coins is known, unforgeable and checkable.
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Mad Wombat
Six Stringz Owner
Join date: 21 Jan 2006
Posts: 373
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05-17-2006 16:29
Cut basic stipends to L$25 per week. It's enough for Yadni's freebie boxes.
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Jenna Fairplay
Sim Sales Broker
Join date: 8 Aug 2004
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05-18-2006 11:46
From: Ricky Shaftoe I agree that LL should increase the sinks for things like classified ads, uploads, group fees, and the like. I do make outlays for these things, but I'm willing to pay more if it will help stabilize things. The trouble is, the sinks are so far outweighed by the sources that I dunno if the existing sinks can do the trick. I posted concerns left and right for a need for a bigger hole in the Linden sink back on 04 but its not till a Linden suggests it do people listen bah! anywho here are a few of my ideas tear them apart as you wish 1. A charge for event posts . Oh know many strongly disagree but I dont see how a 50L cost to post is gonna kill a person. I have my venues post how many events a day and I would gladly pay 50L for posting. It will help drain some L and also help cut back on the venues who spam events and my club posts a lot so that says a lot when I am willing to pay to post an event. 2. Charge for more groups or picks for profiles . If you want to be more expressive with your profile in sl which many have wanted then they would gladly fork over some L for say 5 extra groups or 5 more picks on their profile. Our profiles are basically our 1st impressions to others. Id gladly pay some L to be able to have more groups or add more friends and ads on my picks section of my profile. 3. Charge for putting land up forsale yes yes they are gonna make L for selling it why not charge a simple fee for posting the land 50L is not gonna kill the profit of selling your land. This will help eat up some L and cut back on those who buy up land just to cut it up into a cajabillion smaller plots sell them at 1L per M more just to ad that they want to buy more land 4. I also feel an increase for uploads is needed it takes money to make money. If your gonna grip about how you keep having to pay 20-50L to check the cloths lining or skin. You butt wont be gripping when your selling that perfect skin for 2000L and making a 200% return on your investment. 5. Min price for a classified should be raised to 100 or 200L many use it just to get that marker on their land as a form of advertisement. I know I do I will post more as I think of them feel free to tear these apart
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Jonas Pierterson
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Join date: 27 Dec 2005
Posts: 3,660
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05-18-2006 11:59
From: CJ Carnot Your entitlement is to Linden Labs "play money" which in their own words has no value anyway. You're welcome to it, and that was the point I was trying to make with my "prim coins". Your entitlement doesn't extend to the content of anyone selling it to earn RL money. You BUY things with your stipend right ? So those are things their creator intended to earn money from and if for example a US$ micropayment system was implemented they'd all opt-in because currently the Linden is worthless, in part because it's being given away by LL instead of exchanged for US$ on the Lindex. What is your stipend worth now ? I wouldn't accept your Lindens from you so you couldn't buy my stuff. Every other content creator who actually wanted to earn money would do the same. You'd be left with the free stuff (and your worthless L$ stipend). Nothing wrong with that of course but you wouldn't and have never needed a stipend for it anyway. No 'entitelement' here, just an actual paid for commodity. If people only wanted to sell for USD, they can. They'll also see their consumers drop like rocks.
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Fa nyak
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05-19-2006 01:11
gonna repost it here as i don't think many people are reading the thread i stuck it in  here's my 2 cents. what if they taxed players on premium weekly for the income they recieved. this amount would not exceed the amount of their weekly stipend (500). by this token, i as a merchant in sl would not get a stipend since i make more than this in one day. there are alot of merchants in sl on premium who really wouldn't miss that 500, myself included. tax brackets would not factor in purchases of lindens on lindex, only money recieved from other players in world, and those premium players who rely on their premium stipend for sl income wouldn't come close to the first tax bracket, leaving their 500 intact. this way they're still giving you stipend also, so still within ToS far as i know...it doesn't say anything about them not ever taxing your lindens if nothing else, i don't think it's a terrible idea for an additional sink, even if it doesn't totally balance out the influx.
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Mad Wombat
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Join date: 21 Jan 2006
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05-19-2006 03:45
Ok, a few more hours to go until we can close phase 1. In phase 2, we will pick up every single idea and discuss them, going into more detail, thinking about how realistic they are, maybe merging them with other ideas stated in this thread.
I want to ask though, if you all want to discuss this in this forum or inworld in a big meeting. In the end, we should have a list of community supported suggestions, that we can send to LL.
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