Telehub

all the land owners in the new continent need to post here about their thought on a telehub.
i feel a telehub is important to have as a method of transportation speaking we cant get to the new continent easily as of now.

Did you know about this... Telehub Poll ?

Hello Chad,

I agree that we do need some telehubs out there. When I talked to you earlier about there being no plans to put up a telehub, I got the distinct impression you thought I was nuts

Hi Loki,

I think that the difference between the two threads has more to do with this poll/thread being for landowners on the new continent. As the people most affected by the decision of whether or not there will be telehubs, we are the ones with an actual vested interest here. The results of this decision will determine just how isolated our land will be from the rest of the world. Some of us don't WANT to be that isolated!

Robin Linden suggested that we form a landowners association. He said that if the landowners want telehubs, then there will be telehubs.

As a landowner I would definitely like to see a telehub! You can place it somewhere in Tuliptree also..preferably adjacent to my land. If needed I can parcel off a 512 in the middle of my 8k!

All kidding aside, I would like a telehub/s on the new continent.

Miko

Telehubs are the only thing keeping the new continent from turning into a giant piece of land full of malls, clubs, casinos, and tringo events. We have plenty of this crap on the mainland. Please LL, atleast leave one continent telehub free!

I agree that I don't want to see as much commercial development, but what do you think about maybe having fewer telehubs on the new continent?

BTW great nuke plant

We already have "fewer" telehubs in the snow sims.
This continent was specifically made to be an isolated place.
The fact that it didn't have telehubs should never have lead you to expect them to be added later.

I'd like to see that quote actually pasted from the Linden who said it, not just retold on a forum where it might have been distorted...but I have to react...Geez, that's a scam. Hey, Lindens. Wait a minute. You make a whole new continent, encourage sales in it, have people assume there will be telehubs of some sort like every other set of new sims that ever was....then suddenly, like a game of three-card monte, tell everyone, oops, we might make it kewl rugged pioneer land and not have telehubs?

Uh...geez...there goes my plans to bid on the auction for New Continent land this afternoon. I really don't like that kind of manipulative attitude toward customers.

Don't make people jump through hoops, and taunt the market (advantageous to you) with thrilling guesses as to where the telehubs might be or not be.

Just announce whether you will have them or not, full stop. Then see how well your land auction sales do, because the flight out there is rough, given all the problems people still have with sim seams and attachments.

Plastic Duck, I realize your whole shtick in the game is a kind of disingenous conceptual art thang, but honestly, you can't bitch about clubs and malls and such when you have an er atomic nuclear plant spewing toxic waste out there? I mean, helLO? I realize you may have retired it for the moment and put...I dunno...was it a funny building selling weapons? Something? It's all hilarious. But really, you're one to talk!

And if there is now to be a precedent set that landowners' groups have to be forcibly made just to clamour for telehubs to be installed, then...let's have it work the other way. Let's have some landowners' groups formed to demand that telehubs be REMOVED? And if it will work for the New Continent to have landowners' groups demand telehubs, could then form a landowners' group in places like Furness 1000 meters from telehubs and demand that they be installed there?

Ok Eggy,

Let's take that argument a step further. Should we also say that you should never expect to be able to edit (i.e. flatten, raise, lower, smooth, roughen) because the land was orignally set to no edit and we want to keep the original contours of the sim in it's pristine beauty? Should we say that you should have never assumed that you would be able to build anything on the land you have purchased because it was orignally set to no object creation and it's been found that when people build stuff it changes the "feel" of a place?

How many assumed things do we need to ask about before we purchase land?

BTW, just how are we going to fly/swim/slither out to the new continent if any of the water corridor sims go down?

Let's just say that it is a very deceptive practice to open land, encourage it's sale, and then pull this little gem out.

Maybe we need to include a list of standard questions that need to be asked before we purchase land:

Will I ever be able to fly on this land if I purchase it?

Will this land always be "safe" or will damage be enabled?

Will I ever be able to edit this land if I purchase it?

Will I ever be able to run a script on this land if I purchase it?

Will I ever be able to play media on this land if I purchase it?

Will I ever be able to build anything on this land if I purchase it?

Will I ever be able to control access to this land if I purchase it?

Will I ever be able to sell this land if I purchase it?

Will anyone ever have an easy way to get to my land or will this be in some telehub-less closet?

Now, I'm sure all of you have asked these questions before you have ever made any land purchases....correct? It's not like you assumed that the land you purchased would develop and be handled like the rest of the world.......

I'd be happy to post the text of the conversation Random, but it took place in IM. If I can get some sort of immunity (for that post only) from the forum rules about posting private conversations, I'll post the IM session.

You won't get that sort of immunity, so don't "go there". I certainly take your word for it. I'm just covering myself, so that I'm not later slammed for "misrepresenting" the Lindens.

I find it manipulative and inconsiderate to sell land with a given implication that someday there will be telehubs (like there are in every other set of new sims, sometimes faster, sometimes slower, but still a given)...then...suddenly "pull out this little gem" as you put it.

It is more indication that the Lindens appear to view this as their game, and not a virtual world with some kind of norms and culture in it that is accommodating if at least not celebratory of business. After all, Linden Labs is a business...isn't it? Or is it? I mean...with the name "labs" of course you figure it's a grand experiment, and we are the guinea pigs, ok...I dunno, what's up with these people? Is Philip a Trustifarian? I don't get the culture. Enlighten me.

They are playing to all this "pristine wilderness" crap that they tend to get from the tekki wiki types who like Nine Inch Nails and steam punk up to a point, especially in a club run by their friend, but who are all sentimental and gushy about "nature" (Nature..as...um...interpreted by Eric Linden with electronic pixels?) Hence all this goop about "towers rising up out of the pristine wilderness" etc....it's ok as long as it is my tower rising up...in my techo fantasy...out of wilderness that others provide for me...etc. SO many things wrong with that picture.

You know, I had an inkling about this manipulative/experimental/ type of attitude and behaviour over the buildings. Remember how everybody got all indignant at the thought of stupid newbies and clueless oldbies and crass midbies actually *buying* precious Linden builds and then deleting them? Horrors. Perish the thought! And everybody put on demonstrations at the oil rig and the Second Life Herald editorializes and there was all this incredible sturm und drang? Well...then come to find out in the SLH a few days later, Philip has quietly come on and said they'd keep the buildings. Like, first they wanted to whip up hype about it...then let you know what the story was.

Honestly, I don't get what is up with this. It is an elaborate, sophisticated new ad campaign that plays on all of players' expectations and prejudices, to fold them back against themselves? Does it play to some clamorous um...celebrated...um...inner..um...grouplet that whines about pristine Linden nature all the time? (And I often whine myself when pristine Linden nature is ruined, too, but at this point, I've bought enough of it, and seen enough of it go to the dogs, that I'm a little less dewey-eyed than I once was.) Or is it just that...they didn't think about it very hard? I suggest it's the latter.

"You, the players are the engine of creation." Uh-uh. I don't get it. Really, telehubs ought to be something landowners could vote on and just click on a menu and install. But I guess they use up a lot of server resources and can't just be scattered around just like that, and they are the object of much speculation, including land speculation for at least $10/meter.

Anyway, Vince? If we pursue this and keep complaining about it and waste all our time making landowners' associations on a frog march and have contentious long stupid meetings and votes where people like Plastic Duck who are up to some conceptual art thingie out there will deliberately try to spam or disrupt or swing the votes...well, we'll just be wasting a lot of time.

So could I suggest you do what I'm going to do? Don't buy on the auction. Go back to the old continent. Work on projects there. Wait for all this silly stuff to go away in what...30 days? 15 days?

I'm thinking Anshe's new dunes and so on are actually a serious competition to the Lindens New Continent...maybe she will "get it" about why you need telehubs...maybe go buy out there? I dunno, just a thought.

im a land owner in the new continent and i do not want ne telehubs up there. i specifically bought land there because there are no telehubs. if you want to be in flying distance with a th, live on the mainland, simple as that. it will also be expanding as well as the northern continent so therll always be newer ths added to it.

as for the corridor sims, LL plan on completing that void area with water sims, just like they intent to do with the areas on the main continnent like the great lakes area.

Um, excuse me, but we were not told in advance in a fair manner that there were no plans for telehubs here. So let's not try to sugarcoat that with all our plum visions of Eric Lindens' vast extenses of "nature".

Normally there are always telehubs in every new set of sims. It's just that they don't put them in instantly. As they build them, they appear. I remember what a speculation there was about the telehub that is now in Bear. Would it be in Pero or where would it be? People bought land or didn't buy land based on their calculation of where the telehub would go. The Lindens even put out fake announcements like "we have no plans to put a telehub out there" just to keep everyone guessing and off balance. Then bang, whoever bought Skegemog on a slow Saturday woke up the next day to find they had a telehub in Bear and their property had tripled in value.

Given that experience, which has alway been the norm, buyers have already gotten used to the idea that that there will always be a telehub. If they want to pull the rug out from under that expectation, they can, but please, don't use as your argument "I bought out there precisely because there was no telehubs" like you're in the Sierra Club because other people, following the norms of the game, bought out there figuring some day they'd get around to putting one in.

I intend to stay there either way. I see that what's interesting, even without a telehub, people have made one of those god-awful blight-ridden areas with commerce (which I love to pieces because it's fun, and I even won a little in Schwan's casino last night

A little late for me Random, I already own a chunk of land in Cecropia. I love the land and the location, but I still think we need some sort of telehub. We will have a telehub of some sort, somewhere. I was told that there may only be one in the center of the continent with rail and plane service to everywhere else. Or there may be several telehubs. I don't think it's been decided yet. The funny thing is that this will only be residential land for me, my shop is elsewhere, but I still think that we need at least ONE telehub.

Cecropia and Calleta, both in PG, have gotten pretty blighty. I don't think this is going to be the ideal residence. However, we're going to keep both the mall land in Columbia and the waterside rentals, hopefully with something that looks vaguely beachlike and not nuclear. Margaret Mfume said she might put in one of her diners in a kind of Coney Island hot-dog vein, and it sounds fun. I will stay.

What I won't do is buy more. I was out shopping out there last night, and saw it really is kinda perplexing. There's bunches of overpriced land not selling. BTW, Anshe's land is not among it. She has some great deals out there, and her prices, while slightly a bit higher than the old continent, are within the norm given that auction prices have been insane. Despite whatever is said by the hate-Anshe boycott-land signs all over put up by someone who doesn't appear to have been banned while others who protested them were *cough*

I found, for one, that there is just way way WAY too much PG out there. It makes you think they have some weird notion to blend the "kid grid" and the adult grid in some way and that is quite annoying.

Next, it's got a lot of internal flat land, without waterfront, and hardly any mountains or hills, to make view corridors. This is going to look like hell, I can guarantee you. It will be just a lot of flat land with a lot of crap on it.

Their efforts to put in LOADS of trees and plants, and little sweet cobblestone roads and walkways and stuff MIGHT set a tone for people just to make nicer-looking shops and homes. But...given the Siggy Romulus free-newb-house and other similar horrors dotting the land, well...what do you think, Vince? Isn't it just going to be like it always is?

I think it would be a good idea to have 1 telehub right in the center, surrounded by LOTS of Governor land (most, if not all of the sim). That way LL could maybe build a nice train station where you can hop on one of multiple trains that head off in different directions, also a parking lot where you could rez your land vehicles, AND then a small airfield where you could rez your aircraft. I think that would be neat!

What Stylez said.

I know it is being developed Random, but I expected that. I have an edge plot on the water so I can have a little respite from being surrounded. Anyway, I'll build my little wonderland and enjoy it

I wish to have my land as far from a telehub as possible and thus will not be buying land in the new continent until Linden Labs makes it clear that they will not be adding hubs.

I am very much in favor of having remote areas that are not in range of a telehub. There would be no malls, no clubs, and no tringo. However, if land is going to be out of range of a telehub permanently, this must be announced prior to auctioning the land.

I own several tracts in the new continent that I bought at auction, and I would ABSOLUTELY NOT have bought them if I had known there was even a chance that they might be out of range of a telehub. It makes it very much harder to get to the land. It takes a lot longer unless you have an aircraft, and newbies can't figure out how to get there.

I have not bought any more land up there since the debate about telehubs started, and the notion arose that there might not be telehubs there. I've put all my land up there for sale, and I keep reducing the prices on it -- I want to get rid of all of it.

Buster

I carefully chose to buy my new continent land where I figured there would NOT be a telehub. I live in the nicest First Land neighborhood imaginable . . . more trees than there were when we moved in, neighbors hanging out together and helping each other with their builds and trying to conserve each other's views, and plans in the works for a neighborhood block party. We put up markers with a pic of our neighborhood mascot moth and discuss how the relative remoteness of our neighborhood makes it feel like a small town where the neighbors pull together. What'll happen if a telehub appears nearby? Well, someone will buy that undeveloped land next to us and slap up a big old mall, or a club. Our carefully conserved views will be trashed. Griefers will show up. It'll start to lag. We won't feel like we're small town neighbors anymore. And we will sell our land at jacked-up prices and move. And so much for our sweet little neighborhood of kind neighbors and peaceful views.

Just like RL. Be nice if it could be different here.

I don't think telehubs should be added to the new continent. I do think more sims need to be added between the new continent and the mainland, if it's LL's intent to make it part of the main grid and include no telehub.

Logic there being:
- What if one of the sims along the route goes down? Invite only?
- Adspace on the route needs more dispersal. I know a couple landowners were putting up a "Continental Sale," and while that's intelligent of them, long-term capitalization of this asset should be dispersed.
- Good excuse to develop naval battles and battalions.

Hey...wait a minute...that guy riding on the bicycle just now...isn't that the SAME guy who was riding on the bicycle like...exactly 27 minutes ago? Hold on here...that...that woman with the flowerpot! I swore she already walked past here...it was like...29 minutes ago...hold on just a minute here...are they...repeating? Hey, what is this???

Hi, there Buster, what can you let go your waterfront land in Calleta for, dude?

I've just discovered -- hey this is neat! -- that Eric Linden put the ATOLL CONTINENT STUFF inside the library, so all those walkways and footbridges and Tikis that he made out in the New Continent are now in the folders. So I intend to go wild with this stuff : )

Now...I had a post a little while ago...I dunno, it seems like it disappeared into thin air, I don't know if it is possible for posts to be deleted without notice or apparent cause, but anyway, let me try again, this time taking things out like "Is Philip Linden a Trustifarian?" and "What is WITH those people in California, I don't get the culture" and all that kind of subjective stuff, ok?

so let me just second Buster in saying:

1. How come you open up the telehub discussion AFTER the land is sold? That's not very considerate.
2. Can trains really work, given the physics?
3. Sure, we need wide open spaces, but who will pay for them? Why encourage more Linden socialism? The Lindens themselves don't encourage more Linden socialism, sheesh, look at the auction prices!
4. Is this like Lucy and the football and Charlie Brown, and we can expect more pull-aways like this?

Buster, do you know anybody who wants to start a game company? A different game company? Where they don't do this kind of stuff? I'm in...