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Jamie Bergman
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09-20-2005 11:22
L$s NEED to be taken out of the economy to slow the L$ inflation. One great way of taking them out would be to implement a gridwide transfer tax. It should coust x% everytime you transfer L$ between an avatar/object/etc etc.

WHIP INFLATION NOW!!
Cocoanut Koala
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09-20-2005 11:46
Pretty soon there won't be any fun left. Just a bunch of nickle-and-diming people to death.

Plus, I don't want to have to pay somebody every time I give a friend $50.

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Alexa Hope
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09-20-2005 12:02
I am with Coco on this. 70 percent of the people in SL don't care what the exchange rate is because they don't sell L$ so why should they be hit with a tax if they give some money to a friend.

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09-20-2005 12:33
SWEET MOTHER OF BAD IDEAS!

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09-20-2005 12:40
I pay enough damn taxes irl, I will not pay them on SL...gimme a friggin break
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Bullboar Lagerlof
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09-20-2005 22:35
Mention taxes and everybody screams

The point though is that Lindens need to be removed from the economy by some method. Taxes are one way, using Lindens to buy new land another. There are probably several more, I am only a new user so these are the two the immediately come to mind.

Another would be LL using GOM to buy Lindens and cancel them. This would have the least amount of impact on SL as it stands now.
Einsman Schlegel
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09-20-2005 22:40
We had enough bad experiences with taxes SL Circa de 1.2.
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09-20-2005 23:07
From: Jamie Bergman
L$s NEED to be taken out of the economy to slow the L$ inflation. One great way of taking them out would be to implement a gridwide transfer tax. It should coust x% everytime you transfer L$ between an avatar/object/etc etc.

WHIP INFLATION NOW!!

I think services should be raised in price before trade should be taxed. Do you really want to discourage people from spending $L when there is no benefit to be had from their $L other than a rising $L price?
Smiley Sneerwell
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09-20-2005 23:54
How about a tax on land sales?

A trait of SL: Popularity is inversely proportional to the probability of implementation.
Aliasi Stonebender
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09-21-2005 05:57
From: Jamie Bergman
L$s NEED to be taken out of the economy to slow the L$ inflation. One great way of taking them out would be to implement a gridwide transfer tax. It should coust x% everytime you transfer L$ between an avatar/object/etc etc.

WHIP INFLATION NOW!!


Or, y'know, you could just ask a Liason if they could take all of YOUR money and destroy it.

Anything to whip inflation, right?
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Eboni Khan
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09-21-2005 06:04
We already pay taxes, they are called tier fees, and they are over priced as it is.
Greylan Huszar
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09-21-2005 06:08
Its bad enough the rating bonus is being removed. Why are you people trying to ruin the fun of the game? What would be done to those who dont have any L's come tax day? Revoke their ability to log in?

And I still think there shouldnt be an exchange rate. If people want to buy or sell lindens using real money then so be it. But stop trying to punish everyone else because you few who do exchange the money who only want to make a quick buck.
Richie Waves
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09-21-2005 06:09
*joins in the chorus of worst idea ever* maybe the people that actually care about exchange rate can pay it.. like a tickey box when you sign up..
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Jsecure Hanks
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09-21-2005 06:10
We need taxes like an eskimo needs a lawnmower!

Encourage even greater purchase of land from LL with lindens, then void off these Lindens. LL makes plenty of money from the rental of land (in US dollars) so they can well afford to let some land out in exchange for Lindens, especially if it helps to keep their world in check and offset inflation.

In fact, with all the new land flooding out of LL, this should probably be the main way to stop inflation.
Lordfly Digeridoo
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09-21-2005 06:22
From: Jamie Bergman
L$s NEED to be taken out of the economy to slow the L$ inflation. One great way of taking them out would be to implement a gridwide transfer tax. It should coust x% everytime you transfer L$ between an avatar/object/etc etc.

WHIP INFLATION NOW!!


Hey, how about we wait six months to see if the changes instituted recently have an effect?

No? You don't want to wait? Oh, that's right, you're just a shrill alt-troll who wants to cause an economic ruckus.

Less screaming, more business transactions.

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Shaun Altman
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09-21-2005 06:32
From: Jamie Bergman

L$s NEED to be taken out of the economy to slow the L$ inflation. One great way of taking them out would be to implement a gridwide transfer tax. It should coust x% everytime you transfer L$ between an avatar/object/etc etc.

WHIP INFLATION NOW!!


I've got an even better idea than taxes. How about an API to make vendors that are linked into GOM (or the comming LL exchange) and automatically reprice items every time the L$ value moves? :) This way the inflation hits in-world instantly and we no longer need to care what the value of L$ is at the moment. If L$ is worth 4.00, you'll get my item for L$250. If its worth 1.00, sorry but you'll have to pay L$1,000.

It would also be nice if you could use the API to automatically send sales proceeds to the market at that rate if you wanted to. This wouldn't QUITE give us the blessing of direct USD without having to use L$ as a proxy, but its probably close enough, and definately a lot better than what we have now.
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Jamie Bergman
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09-21-2005 06:40
From: Lordfly Digeridoo
Hey, how about we wait six months to see if the changes instituted recently have an effect?

No? You don't want to wait? Oh, that's right, you're just a shrill alt-troll who wants to cause an economic ruckus.

Less screaming, more business transactions.

LF


Meh. This coming from a balding, middle aged av.
Richie Waves
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09-21-2005 06:44
From: Jamie Bergman
Meh. This coming from a balding, middle aged av.


[crowd]ooooooooh!!!!!!![/crowd]
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Paradigm Brodsky
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09-21-2005 06:49
From: Bullboar Lagerlof
Mention taxes and everybody screams

The point though is that Lindens need to be removed from the economy by some method. Taxes are one way...




And a bad way at that. A much better way is to use the SL exchange surcharge. It's much more fair to charge people for converting money to real money than to charge everyone, even those who don't participate in an exchange. This is a better method of controling the money supply. Albeit they won't have total. For instance if LL decides to decrease the money supply by raising the exchange surcharge, then more people will just use GOM. So in reality the limit of control is set by GOM's price. In any case however this will definately help. Kudos to the management.

Also what we need is content which delivers an experiance that people will be willing to pay for. This will increase the demand for money all around. What we have is not just an inflation problem, it's a PRODUCTION problem. When ever you have lots of additional people entering a society wh do not produce anything of value then the whole society suffers.

Fighting inflation begins with you!!! Lets get creative people.
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09-21-2005 07:21
From: Paradigm Brodsky
And a bad way at that. A much better way is to use the SL exchange surcharge. It's much more fair to charge people for converting money to real money than to charge everyone, even those who don't participate in an exchange. This is a better method of controling the money supply. Albeit they won't have total. For instance if LL decides to decrease the money supply by raising the exchange surcharge, then more people will just use GOM. So in reality the limit of control is set by GOM's price. In any case however this will definately help. Kudos to the management.


It's much more fair to impose a tax penalty on some people than all people? That's kind of rediculous. No matter how it's done it will come back to haunt you anyhow though. If the money exchange charges a 10% surcharge on L$ sold, guess who's going to make that up? That's right, the consumer, who will pay a 10% price hike! :) Maybe even more to offset the increased risk associated with increasing prices! :) I think a more balanced tax policy, if a tax policy were to appear at all, would be best.

From: Paradigm Brodsky

Also what we need is content which delivers an experiance that people will be willing to pay for. This will increase the demand for money all around. What we have is not just an inflation problem, it's a PRODUCTION problem. When ever you have lots of additional people entering a society wh do not produce anything of value then the whole society suffers.

Fighting inflation begins with you!!! Lets get creative people.


I agree with this entirely! :) One of the things that we DESPERATELY need is more COOL STUFF! If there were more COOL STUFF that people felt compelled to own, there would be more demand for the L$. Then, ideally, overall economic growth would keep pace with inflation and people wouldn't have to lose their welfare, pay taxes, etc etc etc.

That said, I think my vendor API idea is a solid one. If we could have inflation hit in-world prices immediately this wouldn't be such a big problem. Your vendors would just reprice your items to account for the lower (or, sometimes higher) L$ value. Of course, if you didn't care about the L$ value, you wouldn't need to use such a vendor and could just continue doing business as usual.

I also wish that land could automatically reprice itself every few minutes based on the current exchange rate. This may be even more useful than content automatically repricing.
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09-21-2005 07:23
From: Jamie Bergman
L$s NEED to be taken out of the economy to slow the L$ inflation. One great way of taking them out would be to implement a gridwide transfer tax. It should coust x% everytime you transfer L$ between an avatar/object/etc etc.

WHIP INFLATION NOW!!


noobs :rolleyes:
Jsecure Hanks
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09-21-2005 07:23
We need taxes! I needed some taxeis the other day, to get from the station. The first one was late, but I made sure I got the next one. The driver charged me extra though. So to conclude, taxis are a good thing.

But there should be no taxes in SL.
Jsecure Hanks
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09-21-2005 07:26
I've always wanted to say "STFU noobs!" even though I don't quite know what it means, cause it soulds so cool :D

I'd have to be black, and kind of Mr. T like, then I'd say in a Mr. T accent "STFU noobs! I pity da fool!" :D

Anyone know what it means? :)
Aliasi Stonebender
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09-21-2005 07:28
From: Jsecure Hanks
I've always wanted to say "STFU noobs!" even though I don't quite know what it means, cause it soulds so cool :D

I'd have to be black, and kind of Mr. T like, then I'd say in a Mr. T accent "STFU noobs! I pity da fool!" :D

Anyone know what it means? :)


Shut The Frag Up, Newbie.

Except, y'know, not "frag".
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Lordfly Digeridoo
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09-21-2005 07:39
From: Jamie Bergman
Meh. This coming from a balding, middle aged av.


Close. Bald, twenty-something av with a goatee and a helicopter hat. And a laser eye.

Nice try though! :cool:

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