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What are your top 10 malls to sell goods at?

blaze Spinnaker
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03-30-2005 09:37
Including the websites, which ten malls/sites make the most sales for you?
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Surreal Farber
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03-30-2005 10:21
Blaze,

I don't know how the rest of the content creators feel, but no way I would disclose this info. Any business edge, and good locations are a serious one, is exactly what I'm not telling my competitors, nor my landlords.

Did you think this question through?
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03-30-2005 10:40
From: Surreal Farber
Blaze,

I don't know how the rest of the content creators feel, but no way I would disclose this info. Any business edge, and good locations are a serious one, is exactly what I'm not telling my competitors, nor my landlords.

Did you think this question through?


call me a dodo, but what is really that secrative about disclosing 'top ten malls to sell things in sl'. if youve got your space, how is a competitior going to steal it from you?

for me, i think the best mall sims r gone. galleria sims and rodeo drive gave me the best sales i ever had.

atm E city & the gigas supoermall are good places to be in. as for anshe's road side malls... bleh, i sell more diry tissues than i would at one of those.
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Khamon Fate
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03-30-2005 10:45
there are no good tree selling malls. they have to be on the landscape in a park or garden for people to see in all their glory.

i'm seriously considering keeping an e-city spot because i believe the setup there is by far the best for merchants and shoppers. i actually have enough room there to display a few plants and can always hope that an upper tier location will be available one day so that i can build a small park. rent's up today so i'm thinking very quickly.
blaze Spinnaker
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03-30-2005 11:16
Ok, here are the malls I know about

E-City (1 person at 11.06 am)
CenterVille (0 people)
Pyramid Mall (2 people)
Castle Club (6 people, clubbing?)
Gigas Mall (0 people)
SlootsVille (0 people)

If you add more to the list I'll do random samples of them throughout the day to give everyone a sense of traffic.
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Annah Zamboni
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03-30-2005 11:20
From: blaze Spinnaker
Ok, here are the malls I know about

E-City (1 person at 11.06 am)
CenterVille (0 people)
Pyramid Mall (2 people)
Castle Club (6 people, clubbing?)
Gigas Mall (0 people)
SlootsVille (0 people)

If you add more to the list I'll do random samples of them throughout the day to give everyone a sense of traffic.

Why not just post their dwell?
blaze Spinnaker
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03-30-2005 11:27
Traffic is busted. Plus, not sure how everyone has their land configured.
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"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."
Kasandra Morgan
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03-30-2005 11:33
From: Surreal Farber
Blaze,

I don't know how the rest of the content creators feel, but no way I would disclose this info. Any business edge, and good locations are a serious one, is exactly what I'm not telling my competitors, nor my landlords.

Did you think this question through?


Actually I was gonna answer. I didn't think twice about it being hurtful to me.

There is an empty mall in Pippen called Ben Loves Ya or somthing, its like 35 bucks a week. I've made more there than in all the mega malls combined.
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Kasandra Morgan
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03-30-2005 11:35
From: blaze Spinnaker
Traffic is busted. Plus, not sure how everyone has their land configured.


Traffic doesn't mean squat. Takes five seconds to buy an item. If people are sitting on a lot all day, they aren't shopping, they are dancing topless under strobe lights.
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Vudu Suavage
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03-30-2005 11:40
I placed my first mall vendor on TeaZers Island a couple days ago, but haven't had any sales there yet. I never go to malls myself, and I'm not sure my goods will appeal to a lot of mall shoppers. Show of hands: who goes to a mall hoping to come back looking like a spider? Cthulhu? Walking abstract sculpture? Didn't think so.
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Devyn Grimm
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03-30-2005 11:58
From: Vudu Suavage
Show of hands: who goes to a mall hoping to come back looking like a spider? Cthulhu? Walking abstract sculpture? Didn't think so.


*raises hand* I'll have to check your stuff out. Haven't seen anyone attempt a Cthulhu yet.
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Prokofy Neva
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03-30-2005 11:59
From: someone
I don't know how the rest of the content creators feel, but no way I would disclose this info. Any business edge, and good locations are a serious one, is exactly what I'm not telling my competitors, nor my landlords.

Did you think this question through?


Wow, this is like what happened to Walker's effort to have a business survey.

From my new and limited experience running some malls and commercial lots, I would say that anything next to a telehub will have more sales, but that something even even 250m away can still have a lot of sales if there is an easy way to fly in and buy -- flybybuy-ability is what I think about it as. Fly-by people have to see it and impulse purchase, and fly-ins with purpose who found you in SEARCH must have the flyinability so they don't get frustrated.

Malls that rez up in your face, grab your av like a fierce magnet, wrestle you to the ground, and spit you out later after you made a purchase so that you could just get the chaos to rez for a second and then release your computer from struggling, well, such malls do not have my vote, but such malls, like Grizedale, have sales. That's the reality.

I like the Clunn malls and the Ross malls because they have lots of open plaza space and don't grab at your avatar and force him through builds and by wrestling to make him buy.

I know that merchants go by where their wares are selling, and they are relentless on this matter. If a mall doesn't have them sell within 30 days they start looking elsewhere.

I know vendors even 800 meters from a telehub can get lots of sales if it is next to something people find enjoyable doing or has something that people in a residential area need.
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Lordfly Digeridoo
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03-30-2005 12:32
As an occasional consumer and constant content creator, if the content I want is in a mall, I don't even bother going. Instead, I go to the specialty stores; personal stores made and run by one or maybe two people.


The best way to have sales is to have your very own little store. Make sure it's going to be there for a while, make some landmarks, some notecards, put it in your forum sig and drop the landmark off to any business dealings you have going on. Word of mouth takes care of the rest.

Malls are too finicky for anyone to really be able to do much business in... in the best of circumstances you're only one of about 50 vendors hawking various random, unorganized products in a poorly-designed vendor stall. At worst, your stuff is being returned every other day because the private sim is changing hands again this week.

With your own store you get 100% control over what it looks like, how the product is set up, and even what types of products to sell. Most of the folks that I know that have their stuff in personal stores do thousands a week. Plus, no rent.

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Cienna Rand
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03-30-2005 12:42
Malls are a waste of time. The only one I have ever used is Luna, and the original Galleria in Aqua. Having your own parcel of land that doesn't get your product drowned out in the malls that list "clothing, fetish, goth, skins, furniture, animations, dance, sexxy, sexy, dongs, nipples, anime" as their selling points is much better. I do place my vendors in friends' stores if they ask, but I will never pay another player for mall space.

I was shopping around for a few things on my alt (gasp) recently, and like Lordfly I would ignore the spam in the Places listing that showed up when the mall listings polluted the search, then go to the private shops.
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03-30-2005 12:46
From: Surreal Farber
Blaze,

I don't know how the rest of the content creators feel, but no way I would disclose this info. Any business edge, and good locations are a serious one, is exactly what I'm not telling my competitors, nor my landlords.

Did you think this question through?


Wow, pretty harmless question. Not exactly asking for the formula for Coca Cola.
Pituca FairChang
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03-30-2005 16:53
I really don't like shopping in RL or SL, but I read the classifieds in the Forum and when I see something poor old PG Pituca can feel comfortable in I hop out and buy it.

I really really need some new panties. My old tap pants that Chip made so long ago (no longer available :confused: ), are really getting shabby from being tinted every time I change outfit. And the daily washing is a crashing bore! But all I see out there are thongs.

We only have merchandise in 3 friends malls,,, we do best in our own chain of little stores scattered throughout SL.

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Prokofy Neva
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03-30-2005 16:57
From: someone
As an occasional consumer and constant content creator, if the content I want is in a mall, I don't even bother going. Instead, I go to the specialty stores; personal stores made and run by one or maybe two people.


The best way to have sales is to have your very own little store. Make sure it's going to be there for a while, make some landmarks, some notecards, put it in your forum sig and drop the landmark off to any business dealings you have going on. Word of mouth takes care of the rest.

Malls are too finicky for anyone to really be able to do much business in... in the best of circumstances you're only one of about 50 vendors hawking various random, unorganized products in a poorly-designed vendor stall. At worst, your stuff is being returned every other day because the private sim is changing hands again this week.

With your own store you get 100% control over what it looks like, how the product is set up, and even what types of products to sell. Most of the folks that I know that have their stuff in personal stores do thousands a week. Plus, no rent.


Lordfly, I know you hate it when I argue with you on the forums and leave my group and stuff but it really has to be done for the sake of good ideological health and freedom because your vision of merchandising is only just ONE vision of merchandising and it is not the CORRECT one but just ONE and the allergy that you have toward alternative visions, and the judgement you place on them as being tied to unsightliness as to aesthetics, or unsteadiness as to land purchases and changing of hands, etc. is unfair.

I have a mall in a sim which has had other malls in it for months and months. No merchants are shaken loose, none of these things you are saying happen. It's ok to be among 50 vendors "hawking" because we need CHOICE and we need COMPETITION and that is how it can happen.

What you are proposing is the usual state socialism/oligarchic/corporatist approach, or what I call FIC to keep it simpler for the game. Lordfly, you sneer at malls, their clutter, their disorganization, their silliness, their hoochie hair, their prim dicks, their idiocies. You know that culturally, you sneer at them and those who shop at them. They don't make sense to you. They aren't cool.

But you are a high-end content baron in a game prizing game-tool-and-died building, and you make superb pre-fabs and custom homes and related products. These are high-end boutique items. I will fly 1000 meters to buy your boutique items in your strange, often hard to enter stores in wierd sims where the telehubs are a huge pain in the ass to fly out of, and where you can easily fall in a canal anywhere on the sim and have trouble flying out. I will go to this high-end city boutique shi-shi kinda place, because you are worth it. I will fly out to some dog-breakfast land in Dowden to see what's up with why you have a house for sale there. You have what is known as a boutique clientele, people with the taste to appreciate your wares, who will buy your stuff, pretty much for whatever price you put on it, in any store you place it in anywhere, even in hell's half-acre.

And your friends, in your circle who also make rockets or handbags or shoes also have little boutique high-end stores, selling to a very refined clientele repeat-buyers list, that almost is so exclusive it doesn't even need to click itself off in FIND PLACES and in fact often does NOT appear in FIND PLACES just to keep that je ne sais qua chic feel to it. Indeed, the little store you hear about with the faboo sunglasses that has no name and isn't in FIND PLACES and makes you feel like a million dollars if you get the owner's calling card, that is a very special kinda FIC store, and it is *one kind of* but not the *only kind of* marketplace in FIC.

Meanwhile, those of us who either can't afford high-end housing, or find it too sculpturey to live in, or who are just plain-vanilla Victorians, or whatever, have to go to more "normal" kinda situationsl like malls where they find VARIETY. I can't fly 1000 miles for my Lordfly house, 1000 miles for my high-class bling bracelet, 1000 miles for my prim dick, 1000 miles for my prim boots that make Rube Goldberg look lean, I will be flying thousands of miles all day and never make the money I need to do that shopping. So...what I need are malls, with variety, the cyanide blue kind especially that I can fly in and out real fast and emerge with my prim hair intact right on my same sim where I live or near enough to wear I live so I don't have to have it fall off when I fly 1000 miles between my boutique high-end stores where somebody has just whispered a name or dropped me a coveted landmark.

I think that boutique stores on 2048 in the middle of nowhere are cool, as are malls, where people actually go and buy stuff, believe it or not, and boutique owners and buyers and content-makers don't believe it and loathe malls. And there is a third kinda thing, which is the strip mall, or roadside stores. I love those, and I know I'm not cool to love them, but they are great, because they reduce that mall-lag clutter and head-landing at telehubs and lag, and spread it out over the cornfields so you can have a better experience, but they are still near enough to each other that you aren't flying thousands of miles.
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Surreal Farber
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03-30-2005 17:56
Starax makes an amazing Cthulhu statue and Cthulhu Av. I can't find the landmark for it or I would give it to you.
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Sam Portocarrero
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03-31-2005 09:55
I'll add my $0.02

I've been selling my miscellaneous good for a fairly long time now. I have yet to have better sales anywhere, in any mall, better then my main custom store in Poliahu. Now selling buildings may be why my store does better then my vending locations. People want to see things up close, be able to touch them, sit in the, complain about them, etc. In most malls you are limited to a fairly small space, with a very limited amount of prim.

Now I may be one of the exceptions in this matter because I DO sell homes instead of clothing and lower prim smaller items. If you sell clothing, and or something smaller, a mall ****may**** be your better option. You may also want to start doing what I have seen some vendors do rather successfully. Place a vendor in almost every mall on the planet. Also if you can afford the monthly rental, some malls, almost any if you request it, can provide you with a larger 512 or so sized store for you to showcase in.

Your best bet is to try both. Rent a normal cheap stall in any mall that you feel receives allot of traffic (Main Telehub). And try for a main "HQ" store, say a 512 anywhere, that you can display your wares in and landmark too. Get your products "exposed" and out there once you get that, almost anything you do store wise will bring in good revenue.

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03-31-2005 10:03
I would tend to agree with Sam that I spend more money at somebody's custom store where they have bought out the whole area to show all their homes or furniture, etc. than I might in mall, but it's really a toss-up, because certain mall things are just a lot more expensive, like a skin.

From: someone

for me, i think the best mall sims r gone. galleria sims and rodeo drive gave me the best sales i ever had.

atm E city & the gigas supoermall are good places to be in


:eek:

I thought you didn't like malls? Especially malls in the New Continent lol? Ok lol.
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Aces Spade
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03-31-2005 10:29
well i do better at my own store than the super malls and side road malls :)
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03-31-2005 13:00
From: Prokofy Neva
I would tend to agree with Sam that I spend more money at somebody's custom store where they have bought out the whole area to show all their homes or furniture, etc. than I might in mall, but it's really a toss-up, because certain mall things are just a lot more expensive, like a skin.



:eek:

I thought you didn't like malls? Especially malls in the New Continent lol? Ok lol.


You're good at stating facts Prokofy... that's exactly what I said, what's the problem? :confused:

Firstly, none of those malls I mentioned are in the new continent. All of them are in private sims apart from Gigas Supermall. And all but gigas are not 'malls' so to speak, but open areas where the vender can build their own store.

Gigas being the exception as it is the best (in my opinion, no doubt you'll disagree) designed mall in SL atm.
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03-31-2005 13:15
From: Lordfly Digeridoo
As an occasional consumer and constant content creator, if the content I want is in a mall, I don't even bother going. Instead, I go to the specialty stores; personal stores made and run by one or maybe two people.


Same here. I'm an impatient person, I hate browsing. i want the thing i'm looking for to be right in front of my face as soon as I hit the store. And generally with specialty/personal stores that's the case. And as someone who has worked in retail merchandising for several years, I really appreciate and look forward to seeing how people personalize their stores and make displays. To me, thats half the fun of shopping. Often, the environment alone can sell a product.

I'm pretty impressed with the Gigas mall though. The shop owners have put ALOT of time and effort in the design of their store locations in the mall. Some of it is very preffessional looking. And the mall itself is very nice. Same goes forn the Collection at Garrison.
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Drift Monde
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03-31-2005 13:59
I prefer my own stores also. I tried a couple of malls but hated the fact that you go to alot of work to set up only to find all your stuff returned to inventory a week or so later.

I also think it helps when you maintain your store at the same location and not move around. While my shops have gone through periodic changed two have remained at the same location for well over a year with the third one just opening. My signage has always been the same since day 1 tho.
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03-31-2005 14:07
I've noticed that I don't get most of my sales in malls. I own Castle No Fear and have a store on the first floor...and most (not all) of my vendors that are in there tell me that they get most of their sales from that location. I think it may have to do with three things...A) Close to the Telehub and B) It's a castle...even if you aren't shopping most people fly down to take a look C)It has both an SL Exchange and SL Boutique Terminal inside the first floor.
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