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Antagonistic Protagonist
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Join date: 29 Jun 2003
Posts: 467
01-11-2005 18:00
With regard to the elmination of event fees for non-educational events, what do you think is going to happen?

Here's what:
The event calendar will dry up and make room for quality events to be noticed. Sure, the event holder wont get paid by the Lindens but there will be more incentive for people to create quality events that get guests.

In addition, there will be residents who pay event hosts. There already are. Since in the past, the Lindens have subsidized many events, it allowed the employer to be less liberal with the fundage. Now, there will be competition among event employers to get the best hosts. They will have to pay these hosts more than they did before in order to remain competitive.

This is one example of how the economy will not crumble. The amount of L$ in circulation has not changed. What will change is that current players, instead of the Lindens, will put L$ into circulation in exchange for services. The rich will have to come off of some of their money in order to keep the world interesting enough that their businesses can continue to prosper, whereas before they just hoarded it or traded it off.

In addition, the overall quality of events should go up. You can bet your ass that a player who funds an event is going to scrutinize the quality a lot more than the Lindens did.

In my opinion, the Arts & Entertainment industry in SL is about to get a shot at the money.

My opinion, as always ...
Antagonistic Protagonist
Torley Linden
Enlightenment!
Join date: 15 Sep 2004
Posts: 16,530
01-11-2005 18:02
Antagonistic, this is on a tangent but related to creativity: I like your starship, and hope to see you inworld soon.

I'm all for more creative chaos in SL, yes.

Arts & Entertainment... sign of a higher civilization past a basic civ that already has its sustenance and shelter.

Or, at least, it should be. ^_^
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Cimone Byrne
Registered User
Join date: 8 Jul 2004
Posts: 15
The Current Events are Great
01-11-2005 18:43
I happen to like the current events calendar. The last thing I want to do with my game time....in which I like to socialize with other avies...is have an arts event.

If I want art...I go to a real museum or gallery...not sit in front of my computer monitor.

I happen to like the parties...and I'm truly ticked off that SL can't seem to appreciate the people that spend a lot of money to provide content for their game.

Very very infuriating.
Antagonistic Protagonist
Zeta
Join date: 29 Jun 2003
Posts: 467
01-11-2005 18:45
Ah but Cimone, if the bulk of people want parties, you better believe thats what the entertainment industry will fund :-) Art is a very subjective term.
Tony Tigereye
Registered User
Join date: 4 Sep 2003
Posts: 165
01-12-2005 00:45
damn it. and i was just about to build a 300-prim falling-sky shield.
Catherine Cotton
Tis Elfin
Join date: 2 Apr 2003
Posts: 3,001
01-12-2005 02:43
From: Antagonistic Protagonist
With regard to the elmination of event fees for non-educational events, what do you think is going to happen?

Here's what:
The event calendar will dry up and make room for quality events to be noticed. Sure, the event holder wont get paid by the Lindens but there will be more incentive for people to create quality events that get guests.

In addition, there will be residents who pay event hosts. There already are. Since in the past, the Lindens have subsidized many events, it allowed the employer to be less liberal with the fundage. Now, there will be competition among event employers to get the best hosts. They will have to pay these hosts more than they did before in order to remain competitive.

This is one example of how the economy will not crumble. The amount of L$ in circulation has not changed. What will change is that current players, instead of the Lindens, will put L$ into circulation in exchange for services. The rich will have to come off of some of their money in order to keep the world interesting enough that their businesses can continue to prosper, whereas before they just hoarded it or traded it off.

In addition, the overall quality of events should go up. You can bet your ass that a player who funds an event is going to scrutinize the quality a lot more than the Lindens did.

In my opinion, the Arts & Entertainment industry in SL is about to get a shot at the money.

My opinion, as always ...
Antagonistic Protagonist



I think with no support we are going to see even more crapy events listed. Why?
Less money from stippend bonus
No money in Hosting.

= ppl are going to start relying on dwell as a form of income now.
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Alby Yellowknife
Sic Semper Tyrannis
Join date: 5 Jun 2004
Posts: 1,148
01-12-2005 05:19
From: Catherine Cotton
I think with no support we are going to see even more crapy events listed. Why?
Less money from stippend bonus
No money in Hosting.

= ppl are going to start relying on dwell as a form of income now.





Maybe its time to start hosting events that make money (ie: Bingo, Clubs with Cover Charges, etc).... The Day of the Rainbow Event to stand around and gawk at artwork is over. Time to pay the piper... Bling Bling Miss Cotton..

In this new world order, you either adapt, or you get run over.
Terry Marshall
Second Life Resident
Join date: 24 Nov 2004
Posts: 4
01-12-2005 05:25
hmmm who want to PAY to go to a club??

show of hands??
Artillo Fredericks
Friendly Orange Demon
Join date: 1 Jun 2004
Posts: 1,327
01-12-2005 06:43
Can someone tell me exactly HOW MANY Lindenbucks one gets for hosting an event? I need to know why people are whining so much about it. I mean is it like L$5000 or something??? Someone please tell me!
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Barbarra Blair
Short Person
Join date: 18 Apr 2004
Posts: 588
01-12-2005 07:58
It's not the pay, it's the prize money.

L$ 500 for prizes, L$ 200 for the host.

Prize money now will have to be paid by the host or by the players. This makes events a money-losing proposition for the host, especially the types of events that require land.
Artillo Fredericks
Friendly Orange Demon
Join date: 1 Jun 2004
Posts: 1,327
01-12-2005 08:01
That's all?? Just 500??? WHY on EARTH would people complain about that? I usually give out that much in tips to club dancers when I DJ, if not more! LOL that's so funny

BAH that's what tip jars and donate signs are for :p

And I like the idea of giving out prizes n stuff instead of L$ Free stuffffffff YEAAAA

Edited to add:
As for "events that require land" Umm ALL events require land if the event is in a permanent location LOL You can do a lot with just 512 sq. meters hehee

and let's see... 4096 tier = $15 a month which is ohh about L$3800 gee what a bank-breaker ::rolls eyes:: stop whining people its' like arguing that the price of gum is too high. It's a drop in the bucket!
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Nuit Divine
Registered User
Join date: 28 Dec 2004
Posts: 16
01-12-2005 08:05
We're one step closer to a chat room with gratuitous graphics.

Even as a newbie, I thought SL was over-commercialised, but workable. Now I'm dejected, having awoken in a sort of virtual third world economy, where new players are more or less prohibited from ever becoming as successful as the established ones. Guess I'll live with it. There's nowhere else to go these days.
Alicia Eldritch
the greatest newbie ever.
Join date: 13 Nov 2004
Posts: 267
01-12-2005 08:29
From: Artillo Fredericks
..its' like arguing that the price of gum is too high. It's a drop in the bucket!


The price of gum IS too high! That's it, I've had it! I'm switching to flavored wax.

:cool:

Directed towards the chicken little fan club:
Maybe it's time to stop using prizes to bring ppl who would otherwise have no interest, into your club.
...and stop with the "if we don't give them money, they won't come."

They will if no one else is giving them money. And if they are the kind of ppl who will only show up to try and win a prize, good riddance to them.
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Artillo Fredericks
Friendly Orange Demon
Join date: 1 Jun 2004
Posts: 1,327
01-12-2005 09:23
Adding my cross post here... my little math experiment RE: Clubs:

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Taun Patel
Geothermal Madman
Join date: 5 Mar 2004
Posts: 222
01-12-2005 10:15
IMHO, the clubs will need to really work to bring in the bread now. That means designing them to be less-laggy, better-looking, and more engaging. An example of a GREAT club is Gravity. That is truly an amazing club! I hope to see more builds that are not "generic black box with some blinking lights and WOOT WOOT money machine giving out L$15 every 10 minutes WOOOOOOOOOOOOOT!!!".

I'm excited to see what people will do in this New World Order. Like so many of the old-timers who aren't here to make a buck (I'm starting to feel like one!) I'm all giggly over the hysteria. I hope everyone calms down soon and realizes they went batty over nothing.

In Phillip We Trust :D
Tya Fallingbridge
Proud Prim Whore
Join date: 28 Aug 2003
Posts: 790
01-12-2005 10:36
From: Taun Patel
An example of a GREAT club is Gravity. That is truly an amazing club!


Dont forget the The Level! :D
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Plaga Fool
Registered User
Join date: 22 Aug 2004
Posts: 26
01-12-2005 10:39
Aaaaah, finnaly some wise words about the subject.

I agree... if people were going to uber crappy light-blinging clubs onlye for the rateme rateyou+15L$ free each 10 minutes, now people will go there for the quality of the place, so now the clubs will really rock or die, what's wrong?

Also, more educational events looks like a very nice thing to have here, and maybe a mixture of educational/fun events can also get the money from the lindens.

Again , about the prizes, i support what one said, that it would be cooler to have custom items as prizes on places than money.

Also, to pay for going a club is not such a stupid idea, maybe someone will come with a 5L$ weekly payment for a club, and being a cool club, people won't mind paying that... i mean.. i prefeer to pay 5L$ a week for an interesting place. less laggy, goodlooking etc.. than to be able to be lagged free on The BOX (bling bling light)

There my 2 cents
Mike Hathor
Registered User
Join date: 5 Aug 2004
Posts: 5
01-12-2005 10:39
WTF!? *scratches head....piece of sky falls off* Uhhh....Im gonna have o dis-agree with this topic....
Antagonistic Protagonist
Zeta
Join date: 29 Jun 2003
Posts: 467
01-12-2005 15:34
From: someone
Catherine Cotten blathered:
I think with no support we are going to see even more crapy events listed. Why?
Less money from stippend bonus
No money in Hosting.

= ppl are going to start relying on dwell as a form of income now.


You didnt actually read my post did you?

I really hope that you say "no, you didnt read it"... because if you actually did read it and then still posted a reply like that, I am afraid your reading comprehension skills need quite a bit of development. Lets hope that is not the case.

-AP