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Martin Magpie
Catherine Cotton
Join date: 13 Nov 2004
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03-31-2006 07:20
From: Catnip Zobel
Hi Anshe,

A few questions for you. My apologies if you've already answered them, but the noise of 18 pages of chatter is just a bit much to read through right before bedtime. :)

1) What rule of law is ANSHECHUNG Studios, Ltd., under?

2) Can your company put up a surety bond with a disinterested third holding party to insure against an event where the entity ANSHECHUNG Studios, Ltd. were to go into bankruptcy or receivorship? The bond would need to be held with the holders of the A$ having legal first rights. What percentage of transactions would you insure in this fashion? If not, how would you insure the A$? Stating that ANSHECHUNG Studios, Ltd. holds both the Silver Euro and the A$ begs the questions of transparency and of legal chain of ownership. Even E-Gold uses a seperate vault to hold their secured gold. (Goldfiger)

3) What independant auditor will you be using to verify the reserves and transactional integrity of trades through ANSHECHUNG Studios, Ltd.? Who will have access to those reports?

4) What will the fee structure be for: a) Account establishment; b) Account maintenance; c) purchase of A$; d) internal transfer of A$; and e) withdrawal of A$ into other national currencies?

5) What is your anticipated float? In other words, what percentage of withdrawable currencies (as compared to the Silver Euros) do you expect to keep onhand? If the account is backed by Silver Euros, then you will have to have a float of alternate currencies on hand to handle transactions. The percentage level of these alternate currencies will often determine the speed at which a request for A$ to, say, USD$ transaction will go through.

6) In relation to the question above, do you anticipate needing market makers to handle transactions, or are you going to act as the sole market maker? If you are going to use outside market makers, then how do you anticipate handling the questions of margin and accountability?

7) At what level will you be backing the A$ with Silver Euros? 1:1, 1:0.5, or a different ratio?

8) Will the A$ be a fixed currency, or will it be alowed to float somewhat? If it is fixed, then have you already anticipated the large scale stockpiling of A$ that may be necessarry on your end to effectively fix the currency without damage to it's liquidity?

(Yes, I am an investor, and we do ask a lot of questions. :)

Thanks!

-Catnip


*salutes Catnip!

Yes please answer these questions ASAP.

Cat
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Luth Brodie
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03-31-2006 07:24
Let me see if I get this correct.

1. You begin developing a new currency months ago right around when this steap decline begins.
2. You dump 2mil on LindeX at a new low rate while you already have your own and your hands in the SLEX.
3. You come in as the saviour of all business annoucing a new "stable" currency of A$.

Anshe, you came to be this high in business due to a large amount of starting capital. Outbidding everyone on the auctions up to a point that would ensure profit. Yet there were times when you would take a loss depending on the situation. That's business.

This looks dubious to say the least. As more people using the LindeX, more money was traded, things were quite stable, then BOOM things go to shit in a steady rate almost over night. Who has the capital to manipulate the exchange in such a way that months all we hear is the sky is falling? To scare other businesses into moving money into an Anshe controlled "stable" economy. You come here saying that you are one of us and has the most to loose in an unstable L$, but in reality you have the most to gain if people move to the A$.

We have already seen you manipulate the land economy with absurd prices at times, inflated value of telehub and waterfront land, and not to mention the selling of land to people who can't actually own it.

This is far more absurd then dreamland. I personally think it would be funny if people actually fell for this. Oh Anshe! Please save us from your manipulation of the currency exchange!!
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03-31-2006 08:35
From: Anshe Chung
During the past 18 months the value of L$ has decrease from 5 US$ per 1000 L$ to 3.33 US$ per 1000 L$. If this trend continues it poses one serious issue for investors and the economy in Second Life.

To address this, together with partner businesses both from land, service and content sector, we have designed one alternative currency for micro-transactions on the Internet, currently refered to as "Anshe$". Most components are already in place since 2 months and functional.

Features of this currency system:

o Value backed by silver Euro held by ANSHECHUNG Studios, Ltd.
o Central payment server that seemlessly ties into content vendor devices in Second Life and any other platform accessible via XMLRPC
o Full integration with Second Life land sale system
o Full integration with PayPal automatic debit
o Web interface and integration with major SL related shopping websites
o Online currency exchange market vs. US$, EUR and GBP

Since we have no interest in competing with Linden Lab we currently do not plan to introduce this currency and hope that the Linden$ will eventually become one stable and reliable currency.

However, considering currency devalution losses of more than 5000 US$ during the past 2 weeks, if the L$ drops further and reaches one level below 3 US$ per 1000 L$ (1:333) we would face insurmountable economic pressure to switch land sales, rentals and content sales to one more stable currency platform and offer the same opportunity to every other business in Second Life.


I am sorry, will refuse to accept the A$! It is not even woth the following which has some use in my garden.

Jessica Robertson
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03-31-2006 08:37
From: someone
If you were to sell that land at a 300% mark up, you would be asking 18.12L/m2. (Remember a 100% mark-up would be double what you paid; a 200% mark-up is three times what you paid, and a 300% mark-up is four times what you paid.)

Obviously, no one is paying anywhere close to 18.12L/m2 for normal land.


I am the one that said it originally, do a search on Anshe's land for land sizes over 8k square meters. You will find them marked up to that high.

I stand by what I said because I remember looking for a plot of land and actually calculated it, that's why I am renting now.

Furthermore, more on the subject of an alternate currency.

It's really about trust, that's why I don't think it will work.

Jessica
Eboni Khan
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03-31-2006 09:03
Anshe is selling waterfront plots on that southern land mass for 15L$ m2
Dregan Mathys
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COunt me out also
03-31-2006 09:18
As for land sales more and more islands and private sims are offering ALL the benefits of land ownership with NO purchase price of the land, just pay Tier and when u want to move on just move when your current month is up. The practice of paying 8-10L per M and and then selling to land barons for 4 is a thing of the past as is paying 120K for land.
Check out Onart, Cherry Manilow, Dennis Bertone and several others for the scoop on deeded rentals, Its amazing that more people dont do it, AND NO AUTO WITHDRAWALS from your bank. :) ( Be sure to pay your tier, LOL )
SL is a game people, sure make a few Ls to support yourself but dont count on economics being Real Life in a game.
So flucuations take place with Lindens that is just the way it is, the laws od supply and demand are at work, let it work. If you have hundreds of thousands of Ls well dont expect to make top Dollar when the market is flooded with them

Having said that, Anshe HAS created alot of wonderful content and even though she is undeniably brutal when it comes to land she HAS created nice safe themed worlds with some level of protection from the little floating blue boxes type of tacky stuff found on the mainland and you have to give her credit for that.
Jessica Robertson
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03-31-2006 10:33
Eboni,
I saw an 8704 Listed at 19.1 L/sq meter that was along a void advertised as waterfront

and in that same sim a 81(96) ? I believe it was something like 8196 that was waterfront at 19.7 L/sq meter.

based on 290 Linden per Dollar
and 1000 dollars per sim
with 65,000 sq meters in a sim.

(290 * 1000) = 290,000 Lindens

290,000 / 65,000 = 4.46 Lindens / square meter.

It would have been purchased at roughly 4.5 Linden per square meter.

4.5 * 400% (or 4) (which is a 300% markup) = 18 Linden per square meter.

4.5 * 500% (or 5) (which is a 400% markup) = 22.5 Linden per square meter.

Thus the statement,

From: someone
... land markups up to between 300 and 400%....


Which is a mathematical fact that was accurate 3 days ago.

Jessica
Carl Metropolitan
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03-31-2006 13:18
From: Jessica Robertson
I saw an 8704 Listed at 19.1 L/sq meter that was along a void advertised as waterfront.


And the Bush Guy is selling his plots for 50L/m2. So what? How many people are BUYING land at that price?

As I pointed out in my initial post, land you can sell for 18L/m2 and up is very rare. If you buy a full sim, you would be lucky to get a quarter of the sim that you could sell for such prices. And if you look at recent sim auctions--sims with significant waterfront land are going for WAY over 1000US$. The last such sim that went on the market Mu, went for US$1701.00.

Meanwhile, last week, I purchased ~12,000 m2 of Mature mainland--a nice triangular plot, with a Linden protected road on one side and an Linden protected InfoHub (one of the ones to be retained) on the other. I paid 6.55L$/m2. The land seller I bought from had sims worth of land in the south at similar or slightly lower prices.

The economics of the SL land market are harsh. On average it is rare for a land reseller to make even a 100% mark-up, especially after tier costs are taken into account.
ReserveBank Division
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03-31-2006 13:29
From: Eboni Khan
Anshe is selling waterfront plots on that southern land mass for 15L$ m2



If you can't afford it, I'm sure you can find something cheaper, elsewhere.
Leave the southern land mass for us Rich Folk...
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03-31-2006 13:30
From: Jessica Robertson
Eboni,
I saw an 8704 Listed at 19.1 L/sq meter that was along a void advertised as waterfront

and in that same sim a 81(96) ? I believe it was something like 8196 that was waterfront at 19.7 L/sq meter.

based on 290 Linden per Dollar
and 1000 dollars per sim
with 65,000 sq meters in a sim.

(290 * 1000) = 290,000 Lindens

290,000 / 65,000 = 4.46 Lindens / square meter.

It would have been purchased at roughly 4.5 Linden per square meter.

4.5 * 400% (or 4) (which is a 300% markup) = 18 Linden per square meter.

4.5 * 500% (or 5) (which is a 400% markup) = 22.5 Linden per square meter.

Thus the statement,



Which is a mathematical fact that was accurate 3 days ago.

Jessica


You've picked the extreme end of the land market... you can't extrapolate that to the rest of it.
Burnman Bedlam
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03-31-2006 13:31
Hmmm... going to have to visit the area and see what's what.

From: ReserveBank Division
If you can't afford it, I'm sure you can find something cheaper, elsewhere.
Leave the southern land mass for us Rich Folk...
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Sensual Casanova
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03-31-2006 13:41
ANSHE$ or A$ has got to be one of the dumbest things/proposals I have ever heard of... sorry..
Burnman Bedlam
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03-31-2006 13:45
I will accept rancid coconuts before I will accept A$ as a form of currency.
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mcgeeb Gupte
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03-31-2006 13:54
From: Burnman Bedlam
I will accept rancid coconuts before I will accept A$ as a form of currency.


I agree.
Gabriel Tackleberry
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03-31-2006 14:14
From: kerunix Flan
So you never buy online and never subscribe to anything online ?
Well... you refuse paypal, check, wire, ... what else ?
Are you willing to find a solution, or just post here because being against Anshe's business is "cool" ?


Let me tell you about Anshe.

She paid me a visit, as I've heard she does all new people wishing to get into real estate, and told me it was futile to do so. That all virtual markets would one day be controlled by Asian influences, factoring in the advantage of hiring cheap labor.

Secondly, she said that I should be innovative. Do something new. So I asked her what is she doing innovative. She said 'Developing people.'

Now that you've chewed on that a bit......

Can you picture yourself doing this? Such a control freak that you go visit others and tell them what you think they should do?

The Linden is weak. I could go in right now, sell 300000L and take it from 340 to 440 in a matter of minutes. Would it bounce back? I dont know, I'm new here, but I dont see it bouncing back AFTER ANSHE SOLD OFF LINDENS TO PAY HER TIER!

So now what, she is taking this opportunity to offer another mechanism by which to establish the same kind of monopoly that she wants to have on real estate.

I for one will campaign my heart out against it. Anshe isn't here to help anybody.
Remember that.
kerunix Flan
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03-31-2006 14:19
This forum need serious moderation.
A lot of post in this thread are off-topic and i see that like an act of griefing, trying to discredit the subject posting random garbage.

it's a big ad hominem, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem and :

An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument. Typically, this fallacy involves two steps. First, an attack against the character of person making the claim, her circumstances, or her actions is made (or the character, circumstances, or actions of the person reporting the claim). Second, this attack is taken to be evidence against the claim or argument the person in question is making (or presenting).

Thoses kind of attack are (or supposed to be) against the TOS.
Gabriel Tackleberry
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03-31-2006 14:36
Lets put it another way then,

Based on my conversations with Anshe and the impressions left, I would never buy or sell one frickin A$
Gabriel Tackleberry
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03-31-2006 14:41
From: Luth Brodie
Let me see if I get this correct.

1. You begin developing a new currency months ago right around when this steap decline begins.
2. You dump 2mil on LindeX at a new low rate while you already have your own and your hands in the SLEX.
3. You come in as the saviour of all business annoucing a new "stable" currency of A$.

Anshe, you came to be this high in business due to a large amount of starting capital. Outbidding everyone on the auctions up to a point that would ensure profit. Yet there were times when you would take a loss depending on the situation. That's business.

This looks dubious to say the least. As more people using the LindeX, more money was traded, things were quite stable, then BOOM things go to shit in a steady rate almost over night. Who has the capital to manipulate the exchange in such a way that months all we hear is the sky is falling? To scare other businesses into moving money into an Anshe controlled "stable" economy. You come here saying that you are one of us and has the most to loose in an unstable L$, but in reality you have the most to gain if people move to the A$.

We have already seen you manipulate the land economy with absurd prices at times, inflated value of telehub and waterfront land, and not to mention the selling of land to people who can't actually own it.

This is far more absurd then dreamland. I personally think it would be funny if people actually fell for this. Oh Anshe! Please save us from your manipulation of the currency exchange!!


Here Here! These are the facts, or should I say, 'in my opinion' so that Anshe alts dont start quoting the TOS
kerunix Flan
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03-31-2006 14:46
I didn't said ALL post are an ad hominem, and some ppl can have serious and real reason to not want an alternative ingame currency, other than "anshe is anshe so that sux"

i just said "a lot" :D

And... err... am i an anshe alt ? me ? seriously ?
Hey ! Anshe ! please share your wallet with your new lovely alt please :D
Selene Gregoire
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03-31-2006 14:51
From: kerunix Flan
This forum need serious moderation.
A lot of post in this thread are off-topic and i see that like an act of griefing, trying to discredit the subject posting random garbage.

it's a big ad hominem, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem and :

An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument. Typically, this fallacy involves two steps. First, an attack against the character of person making the claim, her circumstances, or her actions is made (or the character, circumstances, or actions of the person reporting the claim). Second, this attack is taken to be evidence against the claim or argument the person in question is making (or presenting).

Thoses kind of attack are (or supposed to be) against the TOS.



By posting this you have made yourself just as guilty as anyone else MAY be. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
Gabriel Tackleberry
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03-31-2006 14:51
From: kerunix Flan
I didn't said ALL post are an ad hominem, and some ppl can have serious and real reason to not want an alternative ingame currency, other than "anshe is anshe so that sux"

i just said "a lot" :D

And... err... am i an anshe alt ? me ? seriously ?
Hey ! Anshe ! please share your wallet with your new lovely alt please :D


She's all about controlling SL. She tried to influence me to stay out of the real estate business. I can't imagine any other person I've met here doing that. Chat is stored somewhere right?

That is relevant since I would have to buy/sell her A$.
Syanin Xevious
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03-31-2006 14:56
Never use them, never take them. Certianly won't invest in them. What a horrid idea.
kerunix Flan
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03-31-2006 14:59
From: Gabriel Tackleberry
She's all about controlling SL. She tried to influence me to stay out of the real estate business. I can't imagine any other person I've met here doing that.


- If you joined Secondlife in Feb 2006, like said in your profile
- If you don't have a lot of money, or a lot of luck (like i had when starting my real estate business, but i stopped now)
- If you consider the SL economy, all the new realtor, the tons of new sim auctionned, the bulk acution, the new private sim, and tons of others parameters.

Anshe gave you a VERY GOOD advice.
And, yes, anshe will become more and more powerfull. with or without A$.
But, not sure if she will make more money than she made before. (the good old day are ... well... old)
kerunix Flan
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03-31-2006 15:01
From: Selene Gregoire
By posting this you have made yourself just as guilty as anyone else MAY be. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.


Can you translate that in an english that a non-native can understand please ? o_O
Fade Languish
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03-31-2006 15:04
This is bad cos I say the person proposing it is bad and I say the person is bad cos I say he/she did something bad to me is not an argument.
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