Guess Who Bought 10 of 15 Sims in the Last Four Days

Ok like I said, I'm new, so I'm still learning about this world. But I do not see anywhere in the TOS or the Community Guidelines which states we're not allowed to say bad things about other residents. Please tell me where this is stated.

In the "Bill of Rights" voting issue that was turned down, the Linden Notes state: "Second Life is based on the values of tolerance and free expression. Residents are asked to adhere to community standards that are based on the golden rule, but beyond those standards, there are few to no restrictions."

So I'm confused.

"Oeuf".

As for Anshe, she isn't a horrible evil land baron. Some may THINK that, but many others enjoy the services she offers. I'm sure if they didn't, they'd each be doing a little mini-boycott of their own, and she wouldn't be as successful as she is.

coco

Where do people come up with things like this? Go to one of the 4000 other people that have land that are eager to sell to you if you want land. I was at a land baron party with about 5 people at it the other day, and I know about 5-6 people that weren't there not counting Anshe.

I have more news for you. I hate to tell you this, but land is only one part of the game. If the whole point of SL was to find a rental property or a plot to buy, this would just be an overblown version of Monopoly. Do you not realize you can build, script, meet people, play games, explore, do Mature activities, etc. If you are trying to go to AC for all these things, you sound like a stalker. Where do you get off making a statement like that?

Most people who go to auctions to be a land baron will lose money. Auctions are normally the more expensive route. My only guess on how people like Anshe manage to buy that many auctions is that she needs entire sims, and is big enough that people go to her first to get land. You don't have to compete with AC in auctions either. If you haven't noticed they constantly add on as many sims as they can to auctions. If you don't get in a bidding war today you will get your nice expensive minimum bid auction the next day. I don't see why people think land barons go to auctions to get cheap land for resale. It is almost always overpriced even at minimum bid.

Auctions are the only way to get that much land all connected for that cheap. I don't see it being something profitable when divided into peices and having to fight teir costs however. There is land constantly land being sold for half to 3/4 that price.

Feel free to mail your bad things about one evil, greedy and thoroughly sadist land baroness to [email]anshe_sb@yahoo.de[/email]

Of course people are allowed to bring up bad things about people if:

- it actually matters to the community
- you can back it up with proof, not just hearsay
- it is not some old dead horse you are beating again that has been mentioned countless times before
- you focus on the actions, not the person
- you state things factual and don't post personal attack

Well, that is what I believe it is how it works. But in any case, whenever some problem comes up, might be best to first talk to the person you believe it is related to. Maybe you will be surprised!

I don't know what you're talking about, I've been playing SL for, oh, two years and a half, and I really can't remember ever having bought anything from Anshe or at one of her malls.
I buy all my clothes from Pixel Dolls and aside from that I don't really buy much of anything...

Ok, maybe I was not clear enough in stating that I am very much new to SL, and I am just beginning to learn about the real estate market and economy. I don't disagree with any land practices of any resident.

I was merely reading this thread and noticed that there are some strong opinions regarding this issue. So this is why I suggested a boycott. If you feel you're being treated unfairly or any resident is treating the community unfairly, then perhaps a boycott would be the appropriate action.

Anyway, just to clarify, I personally don't think Ms. Chung is a evil land-baron.

Hm ... intersting thread ...

Anyway, I still have not found the answer, why some people consider Anshe Chung a bad person. She is doing her business ... and, guess, everybody can do the same.

What is she doing wrong?

Mel

She's more successful than anyone else in SL, and hence, a target of aggression and derision.

Simple human nature; we attack what we can't get otherwise.

LF

I commend her successful business-making and I've defended her economic role in SL several times. But I got quite miffed at what I saw as her considering a large part of SL's residents (which actually includes an overwhelming majority of her own customers) to be second-class citizens less deserving than her of any lobbying power over (or even consideration by) LL.

Note : let's not get a flame war started again about the MJW debacle. Please ?

Anshe serves as a symbol of all things commercial in SL. It is easier to focus upon a person than a concept.

I get a little uneasy and suspicious when any one person owns too much of second life. You know us Libras we like balance

Mar

I am still a newbie in SL and from what I have seen in SL and in the forum regarding land, I decided not to buy any land from Anshe.

Well, this cannot easily be achieved though.

I was able to buy a plot on "Die Insel" and three on "Ibiza" directly from the former owners for a reasonable price ... all Dreamland.

Meanwhile I have a sim myself and had to calculate how much I would have to charge for land and how much monthly fee I would have to ask for. Surprisingly enough I found that the prices in Dreamland are not very expensive. (Although I don´t know whether Anshe has to pay the same for a sim as we have for just a single one.)

Every business that I have done with Anshe was without anything that I could have complained about.

This is why I changed my mind about Anshe. And I still believe that everyone is able to do the same kind of business under the precondition that he is willing to take the risk.

Yes, I totally understand this.

Just a question: I hear about Anshe and Hiro, they seem to be the most famous land barons in SL (although this does not necessarily mean that they are the biggest ... are they?). Has anybody else ever tried to found a kind of investor group to setup a similar project like Dreamland? I have one in mind, but I am still not long enough in SL to recognize who could be a reliable and powerful partner (regarding skills like investing money, marketing, building, terraforming, financial affairs and others). But what about all the others that have been in SL for so long already?

Mel

The problem with partners in Land is that you have to trust them a great deal. Normally partners in land are all in the same group and all have full ability to set prices to anything they want. The problem is that fraud is very easy in this case. I could be wrong, but if you own land as a group and one of the officers sells the land to themselves for 0$L, Linden Labs will do nothing. I do not know of any policy where they stated they will protect people from that. If a Linden could make a clear statement on what they would do in such a case, it would be nice. If you are looking for a partner you have never met in real life, and you are going to group own land for any reason; you should realize that when you get big, there is always a chance your partner will run off with all the assets of the group. Partners are a risky thing in Second Life that should be approachd with great caution until Linden Labs provides more protetion for such relationships. It is much safer to look for some form of employee than partner.

I never ever said anything like this.

My statement was that there are people with different level of involvement in Second Life. Some people merely see SL as one place they visit occasionally, like if they are tourists. Others are heavily invested emotionally, socially or economically. None of them is better or worse or first or second class. However, somebody who is more seriously and deeply involved with Second Life might have more to loose and have different perspective than occasional visitor. My point in front of Philip was to make it clear that Second Life has moved from just be some game place that host casual players to one medium that some people very much rely and depend on. Those people are not merely here as tourists, they are stakeholders who have much to loose. This does not make them better or worse, but more dependent and vulnerable. It is all about the impact SL and its policies can have on people and their lifes.

I must say I am seriously and thoroughly piss off at the way some people took out of context, misinterpreted and spun my words on this forum.

WEll, I wasn't pissed off by that but I did wonder if perhaps in someways the interests of the tourists outweighed the interests of most everyone else.

For example, go to Las Vegas where the tourist is king.

Funny you should mention that!

I'd laff so hard if Donald Trump decided to be in SL in his spare time. Maybe one of his children will notice. Seriously though, it takes just one rich person to pony up cash, spread it around inworld, and the whole dynamics have been refreshed. I like that we've got several private continents going too, and hopefully more to come that are YUGE!

I would assume that a rich person would not take care of the inworld scenery but buy the whole company in all.

Mel

Ive been here almost 2 years now,i rebuilt my entire pc just to be here and enjoy what 2ndlife has to offer,as far as what our imaginations can do,how we can learn to build some really awesome things,but somtimes i get annoyed on what i see going on,it seems with some people,its all about the money,not the enjoyment,not the great people that are here,people from all walks of life..i dont know anshe chung,from what ive heard she,s a very nice person,outside being a person that buys up most of the new sims,some of her land prices are fair from what ive seen in certain regions,some are way over priced in my opinion,in which the main goal of the lindens is to bring new people here as much and often as possable,some rich,some not so rich,and in my opinion 512 is not enough land to really do anything with,id say anything 2048 would be somthing good to start with,mostly cause of the prim issue,most new people dont understand how the game economy works,and some cant afford a good size lot..this is my opinion,weather some agree,or not,second life is a great place to go to get away from the everydays woes of the 1st life,meeting people,having fun,doing the things you want here,the freedom of whatever you want to be here is the great aspect of this game,but when one depends on a real life living off of others who just want to build,and enjoy the land they own without being taken for every thing the have..is wrong..some people need a reality check here..i love 2ndlife and im here for the long haul..cause i know its only going to get bigger and better..to all who read this,you all are awesome,whoever you are,where ever you come from..

So are you saying that you are a stakeholder of Second Life or a stakeholder of your own business venture? Those are entirely two different statements. In real life, one does not become a stakeholder in the entire United States economy (as an example), you are a stakeholder in whatever business venture you are in. If you are saying you are a stakeholder of Second Life then I can see where some folks might get upset over that.

Or perhaps this is a matter of semantics?

This also brings up a good question to debate. Should people invested heavily in their ventures inside Second Life get special treatment from Linden Labs? (I'm not implying anybody is getting special treatment here, I'm merely asking a philisofical question.)

Good points, maybe this bring us closer to root of the misunderstanding.

Nobody ever asked for special treatment. But the logic is that because there are people in SL who very much depend on it, Linden Lab should not just treat its customers like e.g. Sony treat their Everquest players and grant them no rights, no privacy and put them at the mercy of one abuse management system that has been designed for a game.

And, yes, of course I am one stakeholder of Second Life and its economy. And if you live in America and earn your money in the American economy you are stakeholder in the American economy. There are many others who have stake in this online world. People who have much at stake in Second Life, who might loose their social environment, their project, business etc. have much to loose. Maybe I use the term "stakeholder" with its original broader meaning, not the way some people in USA use it? Sorry, English is my 3rd language. I say somebody has something at stake in SL, so that person is stakeholder, right?

Here is dictionary.com's definition of stakeholder:

"Stakeholder:
One who has a share or an interest, as in an enterprise.
a person having an interest or share in a commercial undertaking.

Any party that has an interest in an organization. Stakeholders of a company include stockholders, bondholders, customers, suppliers, employees, and so forth."

I suppose you could be a stakeholder in the entire economy as a metaphor. But correct semantics would say you are a stakeholder in your own business, not the economy. Obviously though, you are a substantial part of the economy, and if something bad should happen, such as Linden Labs going out of business, you would shoulder much of the burden of that happening. You would be hurt much more than the casual player of Second Life, such as myself.

I very much agree with Ms. Chung that if Linden Labs is to treat Second Life's virtual economy as a real economy, then it should give its business owners some basic rights. So far the only right they have right now (as far as I know), is the right to their Intellectual Properties.

Until then, everyone should realise that Linden Labs is a real world company whose interests might be totally different from the interests of Second Life's citizens and business owners.

I think this is the main misunderstanding many people have of those who make money off of Second Life. No one is trying to take you for everything you have.

If land sales was only available in auctions, you would not only have to constantly try to outbid people that are obviously willing to spend the money being charged for land right now, but you would have no way of getting your money back when you wanted to leave your land.

No one is forcing you to sell your land for cheap. If I come to your land and buy at the price you asked for, then I have given you exactly what you apparently wanted. If you decide to exercise your right to wait for the same prices I and everyone else waits for you will not lose the money you see yourself losing.

Land comes out of the auctions at prices higher than $L4.4/meter2, ecspecially since Linden Labs doesn't give you the entire sim and you still have some bidding wars. You can't expect to sell land at 1/2-1/5 the auction prices and not see people jump on the great deal you are offering. Just because others aren't willing to sell to you at 1/2-1/5 the auction prices, does not mean they are trying to take you for everything you have. There is alot of competition in the land market. There is no monopoly, and their is no signs that people are paying hiked up prices. Just because you want something, doesn't make it wrong for someone else not to want to give it to you for the low price you want it at.

kk, I think I found part of the problem. There is two meaning of "stakeholder":

"A stakeholder was originally a person who holds money or other property while its owner is being determined. The situation often arises when two persons bet on the outcome of a future event and have a third person act as the stakeholder, holding the money (or "stakes" they have both wagered (or "staked" until the event occurs. Courts sometimes act as stakeholders, holding property while litigation between the possible owners resolves the issue of which one is entitled to the property, and trustees often act as stakeholders, holding property until beneficiaries come of age, for example. An "escrow agent" is one kind of trustee who is a stakeholder, usually in a situation where part of the purchase price of property is being held until some condition is satisfied. It is a very old concept in the law."

This original economic term I have not really been familiar with, but used the word in the other way (like derive from "somebody has one stake in something":

"In the last decades of the 20th century, the word "stakeholder" has evolved to mean a person or organisation that has a legitimate interest in a project or entity. In discussing the decision-making process for institutions -- including large business corporations, government agencies and non-profit organizations -- the concept has been broadened to include everyone with an interest (or "stake" in what the entity does. That includes not only its vendors, employees, and customers, but even members of a community where its offices or factory may affect the local economy or environment. In that context, "stakeholder" includes not only the directors or trustees on its governing board (who are stakeholders in the traditional sense of the word) but also all persons who "paid in" the figurative stake and the persons to whom it may be "paid out" (in the sense of a "payoff" in game theory, meaning the outcome of the transaction).

For example in a project of - say - a professional landlord undertaking the refurbishment of some rented housing that is occupied while the works are being carried out, key stakeholders would be the residents, neighbours (building works creates a nuisance for them), the tenancy management team and housing maintenance team within the landlord. Other stakeholders would be funders and the design and constructing team.

The holders of each separate kind of interest in the entity's affairs are called a "constituency," so there may be a constituency of stockholders, a constituency of adjoining property owners, a constituency of banks the entity owes money to, and so on. In that usage, "constituent" is a synonym for "stakeholder.""