I had deposited 75% of the Shelter donation money into Ginko. We survive totally of the generosity of the community, and I was thinking it was best to have it grow somehow rather than just sitting on the Sheltered Ambassador account.
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blaze Spinnaker
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11-19-2005 13:05
I had deposited 75% of the Shelter donation money into Ginko. We survive totally of the generosity of the community, and I was thinking it was best to have it grow somehow rather than just sitting on the Sheltered Ambassador account. .. _____________________
Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :
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Saul Lament
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11-19-2005 13:12
The entire post the above quote comes from reads...
Well, I feel a little better now. I had deposited 75% of the Shelter donation money into Ginko. We survive totally of the generosity of the community, and I was thinking it was best to have it grow somehow rather than just sitting on the Sheltered Ambassador account. Anyway, I found out you can make a withdrawl thru the Ginko website - I went there and it was processed immediately. For now, at least until I can feel a higher degree of confidence, I reduced the amount of our donation funds in Ginko to 10%. I hope this is just a false alarm ![]() So in point fact the person, like anybody else, can deside to invest in something, or not. There is no "story" here, just an outcome that seems to have satisfied all parties concerned. Bail faster blaze, your boat is sinking. |
Nathan Stewart
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11-19-2005 13:13
Do you have a point blaze? As travis pointed out he still holds money with ginko
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Jim Lumiere
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11-19-2005 13:21
I find myself wondering ..
If someone else's attack on Ginko is driven by an ulterior motive .... are similar attacks also driven by ulterior motives? Pondering what those might be .... |
blaze Spinnaker
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11-19-2005 13:23
Wakeup.
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"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches." |
Saul Lament
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11-19-2005 13:29
Wakeup to what?
I don't have any money in Ginko, it is too risky for my blood. Everybody else has a right to make that choice as well. Ginko is completely straight up about how they operate, how risky it is, and does everything but poke you in the eye with a stick to show you what your getting into. Including the fact that your getting into an investment that is not going to tell their investers exactly what funds go where and for what purpose. So? Deside to invest or not invest. Period. We are not children that need to be lead by the hand because the monster under the bed might get us. Bail faster. |
Malachi Petunia
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11-19-2005 13:36
Since we have no idea what actual in-game interests our forum champ has - as he is admittedly an alt of an actual player - it is impossible to even speculate as to what his motivations might be.
That is of course if you believe that the person sitting behind Champ actually has any in-game presence at all and isn't just a really bored troll. It's sort of like having no idea that Cheney had any connection to Haliburton: his actions would make even less sense then they currently do. Please understand that I'm not putting Champ on the same plane as our favorite Dick, just making an analogy about motivations. _____________________
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Zodiakos Absolute
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11-19-2005 13:43
Oh. My. God. The absolute and total unprofessionalism that I've stood silent witness to on this board is utterly astounding and disappointing. Everything I've seen in this whole debacle between Anshe and Ginko, from the completely unprovoked attacks, to the blatent namecalling, lead me to believe that they need to make a third grid - the toddler grid.
I can already see what the next post will be, too, so don't bother. 'Yeah, they need to open a teen grid to put you people that invest in Ginko financial, because you are stooopid!' This is so rediculous, I think a few of my brain cells committed suicide just thinking about this. There's no boat to bail out of... this is trolling at its absolute worst (or finest?). Bravo. |
Logan Bauer
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11-19-2005 13:49
I think you're slipping, champ. Am I missing something here? The title is "Yeah, come to the rescue of Ginko so we can have more stories like this" - and in response to your hotline post they said that they were not underwriting, backing, or supporting Ginko, right?
The actual text of your post is a quote from Travis saying he invested all of the Shelter's money in Ginko, then realised the too-good-to-be-true numbers and pulled out, now leaving 10%... What's wrong with that? I did roughly the same thing, looked at it, put some money in, and then decided to take my money out because I suspect it may be a ponzi. I don't know for a fact if it is or isn't, I suspect very few people out there do know short of Ginko themselves. Buyer beware, and it's been and continues to be discussed to death. First, I miss how your subject line connects to the quote from Travis. Second, I miss what point your trying to make entirely here. I second Saul's "Wakeup to What?" _____________________
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Kazuo Murakami
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11-19-2005 14:09
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blaze Spinnaker
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11-19-2005 14:58
Wealth is being withdrawn from our economy to fund some ponzi scheme in South America.
And Ginsu linden is saying " We applaud the continued innovation and entrepreneurship of our community" WTF? HELLO Philip? Are you on vacation or something? _____________________
Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :
"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches." |
Nathan Stewart
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11-19-2005 15:04
HELLO Philip? Are you on vacation or something? Yea im wondering about that too, anshes first post has been reported days ago for breaking the 4th rule of the big 6 yet nothing is done, im surprised you havent posted anything about peoples privacy concerns. _____________________
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Sneak Dulce
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11-19-2005 15:05
Blaze, gives us EVIDENCE!! You have to prove your case! Just like any court of law, when you make such accusations, it is up to the accusors to show the evidence of such things.
We have had a private meeting with Philip already, the contents of which, I will not discuss after all, because I do like to follow the TOS, whereas you do not, as you are clearly breaking forum guildlines, once again, and I am sure that you will be able to see that if you would actually care to read them. |
Alexa Hope
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11-19-2005 15:05
Blaze
Try to think about this - all the people who invest in Ginko are ADULTS. Why do you presume to know better than they do. Its not your choice if they invest or not, it's theirs'. Do you not understand this simple fact? Alexa _____________________
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blaze Spinnaker
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11-19-2005 15:10
We applaud the continued innovation and entrepreneurship of our community" Is not what you say when you're trying to warn people to be savvy about investing. If anything that message says "Hey you're being a pioneer if you risk it all in GINKO" Robin coming into a forum and telling everyone that Anshe is WRONG that stipends were cut because of GINKO (when if fact, NO ONE really knows why the L$ deflated) is not what you do when you're trying to educate people about being savvy. These are not the actions of a company who would like their customer to be cautious. _____________________
Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :
"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches." |
Nolan Nash
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11-19-2005 15:11
Blaze Try to think about this - all the people who invest in Ginko are ADULTS. Why do you presume to know better than they do. Its not your choice if they invest or not, it's theirs'. Do you not understand this simple fact? Alexa Because blaze is arrogant and considers himself to be smarter than everyone else, including LL. I keep waiting for him to start his own version of SL, because you know - he's rich and all in RL, or so he implies - and he obviously knows how to do SL one better. Hurry up champ, I am waiting to invest my money in a person so confident in himself that he must post under an alt. _____________________
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Sneak Dulce
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11-19-2005 15:15
All I can say is that I am tired of these posts, is it the same thing over and over, this time, just a lap dog of someone, the seeming last supporter of Anshe trying to stir stuff up. Blaze, you are losing your own reputation as Anshe has done already, killed it with those of us that were neutral to her, have not shifted to the negative. The only reason you are doing this, is because you thrive off argument, and well, I will not have part of it anymore, as many people have said, everyone here is an adult, we have all made our own choices, I am not going around forcing people to invest in Ginko, they have freewill to do such things, and LL expresses our right to have free will. With your lack of evidence, you are talking around of your anus, once you can prove something, you might have people listen, you might have me listen, but for now, you prove nothing, all you have is lies and theories.
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blaze Spinnaker
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11-19-2005 15:22
Well, one possibility here is that Ginko is bullshitting everyone and doesn't have 16 million in contributions.
LL knows this and thats why they aren't really panicking because Ginko is just blowing a lot of hot air, which they can't really come out and say. I'm really hoping that's the case. I would assume it would have to be, because I know Philip, and he has a pretty good grasp on the economy. I can't imagine he'd let his team veer this far off course. _____________________
Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :
"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches." |
Jim Lumiere
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11-19-2005 15:25
Well, one possibility here is that Ginko is bullshitting everyone and doesn't have 16 million in contributions. LL knows this and thats why they aren't really panicking because Ginko is just blowing a lot of hot air, which they can't really come out and say. I'm really hoping that's the case. I would assume it would have to be, because I know Philip, and he has a pretty good grasp on the economy. I can't imagine he'd let his team veer this far off course. Can you get me his autograph? Im not fortunate enough to know someone so important and powerful. |
Alexa Hope
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11-19-2005 15:25
Blah blah blah
I am sad you have reduced me to this nonsense. Just mind your own business and let others mind theirs. Alexa _____________________
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blaze Spinnaker
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11-19-2005 15:34
Can you get me his autograph? Im not fortunate enough to know someone so important and powerful. Well, I don't think he's particularly important or powerful. I guess I should have said I've read some of the things he's said. He's somewhat clueful about the economy (if not much else about SL). _____________________
Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :
"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches." |
Phoenix Psaltery
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11-19-2005 15:35
Wealth is being withdrawn from our economy to fund some ponzi scheme in South America. That is purely speculation. Ginko has been around for a year. Where has all your worry been for all these months? Anshe makes a little noise, and suddenly you're all up in arms about Ginko. Blaze, are you Anshe's alt? or just her little toadie? I have been carefully watching Ginko since the first day I put my first L$100 in because I knew the interest rates they were paying were far beyond the normal return. But after close to a year, I have never lost a cent there, and apart from the reductions in interest, I have continued to get the same good service from them I have had since day one. P2 _____________________
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Forseti Svarog
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11-19-2005 16:14
Actually Phoenix I think there have been a number of people concerned for quite some time, this just brought it front-of-mind.
Unfortunately with something like this, you simply do not know what is true and what is not. A single year's track record isn't enough to prove anything, because it could just mean that the perpetrator's haven't reached their cut-and-run threshold yet. There's certainly nothing hovering over them to give them cause for concern... that we know of. I agree with Saul that adults, properly warned, can do what they want. But we all know that should this come apart at the seams... and it may not be a scam, yes I acknowledge that possibility ... but if it falls apart, depositors aren't going to be saying "i knew the risks, so i'll accept the losses." No... they'll be out for blood... and many will blame everyone but themselves. Bubble after bubble have proven this out. _____________________
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Phoenix Psaltery
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11-19-2005 16:34
Actually Phoenix I think there have been a number of people concerned for quite some time, this just brought it front-of-mind. Unfortunately with something like this, you simply do not know what is true and what is not. A single year's track record isn't enough to prove anything, because it could just mean that the perpetrator's haven't reached their cut-and-run threshold yet. There's certainly nothing hovering over them to give them cause for concern... that we know of. I agree with Saul that adults, properly warned, can do what they want. But we all know that should this come apart at the seams... and it may not be a scam, yes I acknowledge that possibility ... but if it falls apart, depositors aren't going to be saying "i knew the risks, so i'll accept the losses." No... they'll be out for blood... and many will blame everyone but themselves. Bubble after bubble have proven this out. You're absolutely right, Forseti, but also remember that the average lifetime of a business venture in SL is FAR less than a year -- usually measured in WEEKS, not months. Ginko has, in truth, been very up front about the fact that you could lose everything you invest in it. There is no "SLDIC" to insure your investment. On the other hand, how is this any different than investing in the RL stock market? I see a calculated effort in the original thread to bring Ginko down. P2 _____________________
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Michael Seraph
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Same old stuff
11-19-2005 16:59
What it comes down to is simple. One person asks hard questions about Ginko. The defenders of Ginko attack that person's motives. Lots and lots of posts, not an answer in any of them. Just lots of outrage and shock and "how dare you's" but not a single answer. Yah, I know I'll be attacked for this. Go for it, you only make yourselves and the things you're defending look silly.
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