Conspiracy Theory
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Intent Unknown
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Join date: 16 Nov 2005
Posts: 82
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11-16-2005 15:33
Time for a consipiracy theory from the n00b  I noticed a trend on Orientation Island today while I was playing with my appearance. After talking to a few people about this it seems that perhaps this is some sort of scheme that needs to be looked into. Pull up the Find window and click on the People tab and do a search for "A Flanders"  My guess is somebody is harvesting the $250 starting stipend and the $50 weekly stipend from several different credit cards so they are all free accounts. Right now there are 67 suspicios "A Flanders" accounts listed. That's $16,750 up front and $3,350 a week. Not bad for a days work! (This can't be good for economy, can it?)
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Dark Korvin
Player in the RL game
Join date: 13 Jun 2005
Posts: 769
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11-16-2005 15:37
From: Intent Unknown Time for a consipiracy theory from the n00b I noticed a trend on Orientation Island today while I was playing with my appearance. After talking to a few people about this it seems that perhaps this is some sort of scheme that needs to be looked into. Pull up the Find window and click on the People tab and do a search for "A Flanders" My guess is somebody is harvesting the $250 starting stipend and the $50 weekly stipend from several different credit cards so they are all free accounts. Right now there are 67 suspicios "A Flanders" accounts listed. That's $16,750 up front and $3,350 a week. Not bad for a days work! (This can't be good for economy, can it?) lol, and the thing that makes these 67 accounts suspicious is what?
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Phoenix Psaltery
Ninja Wizard
Join date: 25 Feb 2005
Posts: 2,599
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11-16-2005 16:06
From: Dark Korvin lol, and the thing that makes these 67 accounts suspicious is what? Perhaps the fact that they were all born between Nov. 13-16 and almost every one has a first name that ends with "9p93c"? P2
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Jonny Dingo
An den, an den, an den...
Join date: 24 Feb 2005
Posts: 42
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11-16-2005 16:36
In order for a basic account to make their stipend they have to spend time in game playing. I dont see how somebody could go back and forth between that many accounts in 1 day to make it worth it.
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Phoenix Psaltery
Ninja Wizard
Join date: 25 Feb 2005
Posts: 2,599
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11-16-2005 16:38
From: Jonny Dingo In order for a basic account to make their stipend they have to spend time in game playing. I dont see how somebody could go back and forth between that many accounts in 1 day to make it worth it. All that is necessary for a basic account to receive a stipend is to log in once during the week, although for L$50 a week, I'd have to say, "get a life, loser..."  P2
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Malachi Petunia
Gentle Miscreant
Join date: 21 Sep 2003
Posts: 3,414
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11-16-2005 16:43
...and just look at these names: John Smallberries John Littlejar John Yaya John Whorfin John Bigbootee
all born in Grover's Mill, New Jersey on the same date - October 30, 1938. Something is definitely odd here... wait... I think I got it. Nope. Nevermind.
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Phoenix Psaltery
Ninja Wizard
Join date: 25 Feb 2005
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11-16-2005 16:45
From: Malachi Petunia ...and just look at these names: John Smallberries John Littlejar John Yaya John Whorfin John Bigbootee
all born in Grover's Mill, New Jersey on the same date - October 30, 1938. Something is definitely odd here... wait... I think I got it. Nope. Nevermind. Are there martians involved?  P2
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nimrod Yaffle
Cavemen are people too...
Join date: 15 Nov 2004
Posts: 3,146
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11-16-2005 16:47
In Live Help, Adam said it was an exploit that is fixed now and it's no longer possible. He also said they don't get paid, so you can have a good night's rest tonight.
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Jillian Callahan
Rotary-winged Neko Girl
Join date: 24 Jun 2004
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11-16-2005 16:57
From: Malachi Petunia ...and just look at these names: John Smallberries John Littlejar John Yaya John Whorfin John Bigbootee all born in Grover's Mill, New Jersey on the same date - October 30, 1938. Something is definitely odd here... wait... I think I got it. Nope. Nevermind. May I pass along my congratulations for your great interdimensional breakthrough. I am sure, in the miserable annals of the Earth, you will be duly enshrined. Laugh-a while you can, monkey boy! 
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Subghoul Epsilon
Observer
Join date: 13 Sep 2005
Posts: 32
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11-16-2005 16:58
From: Malachi Petunia ...and just look at these names: John Smallberries John Littlejar John Yaya John Whorfin John Bigbootee
all born in Grover's Mill, New Jersey on the same date - October 30, 1938. Something is definitely odd here... wait... I think I got it. Nope. Nevermind. You know....somebody should set up a Yoyodyne in world. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086856/http://www.figmentfly.com/bb/bbindex.shtmlBigbooTAY!
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Nyoko Salome
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Join date: 18 Jul 2005
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lol!! 
11-16-2005 17:02
From: Phoenix Psaltery Are there martians involved?  P2 nope, not martians... 'EVIL - PURE AND SIMPLE, FROM THE EIGHTH DIMENSION!!'  (hey, did i get that right? been a long time since i watched it... 
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Jillian Callahan
Rotary-winged Neko Girl
Join date: 24 Jun 2004
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11-16-2005 17:05
My hangar door in Caldbeck has the Yoyodyne logo on it. I was this close to naming my biz "Yoyodyne Propultion Systems", decided to go for something less associated with evil via the 8th dimention. 
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Intent Unknown
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Join date: 16 Nov 2005
Posts: 82
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11-16-2005 18:25
From: Dark Korvin lol, and the thing that makes these 67 accounts suspicious is what? From: Malachi Petunia Something is definitely odd here... wait... I think I got it. Nope. Nevermind. Obviously you two didn't look into this at all. No, the coincidence isn't just that they had the same initial first name and the same surname. Abbaz9p93c Flanders Abbottz9p93c Flanders Abdulkareemz9p93c Flanders Abelz9p93c Flanders Abibaz9p93c Flanders ... If you don't detect an obvious pattern emerging then i'm not going to attempt to explain it to you, Check out B, C, D, and E Flanders while you're at it  From: nimrod Yaffle In Live Help, Adam said it was an exploit that is fixed now and it's no longer possible. He also said they don't get paid, so you can have a good night's rest tonight. Good to hear. Glancing at the signup page I don't see that they've added any kind of reverse Turing test to the form so I'm curious as to how they've fixed this exploit?
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Numa Herbst
SHI-SHAAA!!
Join date: 13 Jun 2005
Posts: 99
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11-16-2005 18:47
Hi Intent, (love the name btw) I'm not trying to speak for those guys but I think Dark and Malachi knew exactly what you were talking about, it's just that they are not surprised at all to see people 'farming' the stipend. We all know it goes on, especially after the Basic resident accounts became free. What I am curious to know is that even though the Lindens know about this sort of exploitation, why are these avatars still showing up as valid names in an inworld search. I would think that if this exploit was caught that the offending avatars would be deleted and an annoucement made in reference to it. I've seen no such thing and my guess would be that these avatars are infact still farming the stipend. Every business wants to show growth, but unfortunately this is not the growth that Second Life needs to be a long term platform. I can only assume that these generated accounts have been left into the system to show this growth. This thread has a nice graph mapping the total population versus concurrent users, and some good questions were raised there.
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Intent Unknown
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11-17-2005 02:12
From: Numa Herbst I'm not trying to speak for those guys but I think Dark and Malachi knew exactly what you were talking about, it's just that they are not surprised at all to see people 'farming' the stipend. We all know it goes on, especially after the Basic resident accounts became free.
I'm sure you are all aware that it is happening, but I can't locate any threads which discuss it being done to this degree. Here are some more numbers: - A*9p93c Flanders - 67 residents
- B*9p93c Flanders - 44 residents
- C*9p93c Flanders - 94 residents
- D*9p93c Flanders - 50 residents
- E*9p93c Flanders - 30 residents
- H*9p93c Flanders - 30 residents
- K*9p93c Flanders - 48 residents
- N*9p93c Flanders - 23 residents
- S*9p93c Flanders - 24 residents
This is just those with the Flanders surname. This is 410 new accounts created in the past five days. Each new account gets L$250 before they even log in. That's L$102,500 or around US$405 up front and L$20,500 or around US$81 per week in stipends if the accounts log in. I talked to an E. Flanders who was logged in earlier. It was a short conversation but went something like this: From: someone You: What's the deal with these hundreds of "9p93c Flanders" accounts? E Flanders: I'm really not sure I was told to check this out and that this was how to log on You: By whom? You: Are you employed by somebody to play SL? You: Do you live in china? E Flanders: no to both You: Did you get an email inviting you here? You: Who registered your account? E Flanders: I'm not sure, but yes there was an email from someone I know online that ssaid to check this game out
Maybe I'm just reading too much into this, but it does sound rather suspicious. From: Numa Herbst I would think that if this exploit was caught that the offending avatars would be deleted and an annoucement made in reference to it. I've seen no such thing and my guess would be that these avatars are infact still farming the stipend.
Well said. Where is the Linden announcement regarding this exploit and if it was an exploit why is E Flanders still allowed to log in and chat with me this evening?
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blaze Spinnaker
1/2 Serious
Join date: 12 Aug 2004
Posts: 5,898
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11-17-2005 02:24
Hotline this. They're probably farming the referrals.
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Sara Hebert
Stupid Newbie
Join date: 6 Nov 2005
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11-17-2005 02:59
I was around for the discussion you quoted, and mildly intrigued by it, but I had no clue it was that deep a phenomenon.
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Jonny Dingo
An den, an den, an den...
Join date: 24 Feb 2005
Posts: 42
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11-17-2005 04:07
Intent Unknown I know you are new so I just wanted to point out that it is against TOS to copy/paste a conversation log in forum without there permission. So be careful 
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Cheyenne Marquez
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11-17-2005 06:52
From: Intent Unknown I talked to an E. Flanders who was logged in earlier. It was a short conversation but went something like this:
Maybe I'm just reading too much into this, but it does sound rather suspicious. You would make a terrible detective. Too much interrogation, not enough interview/discussion. 
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Harlequin Salome
Honor Above All.
Join date: 9 Jul 2005
Posts: 55
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11-17-2005 07:45
Gah. The whole Alt thing has gotten way out of hand with the free accounts. This is just one issue that I'm sure is happening more than we'd like to think about, but theres a host of other problems associated witht eh No Cost No Risk account creation thing, and thats no-risk griefing.
I mean, I know its cool that people can join with no cost, and the added L to the economy enriches us all, as does the increased number of people for social interactions and such, but the Lindens need to really start dealing with some of the downsides, too.
The Lindens have this odd method of dealing with problems. They tend to not. The group I'm in is a huge target for organized groups of griefers, and unless we an grab a linden by the head and shake them, they tend to not do anything about the situation *shrugs* And their lack of action on this Farming issue is another problem. Now my deeper thoughts on this are more oriented to the political science thread, but the basics are that the Lindens don't really enforce TOS in-game, and when they do they use very limp wristed approaches, so that there's really no reason *not* to create an alt, farm the referral, farm the stipend, and nuke and crash and bounce your foes, because by the time the Lindens ban you, it'll be about the end of the world as we know it.
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Intent Unknown
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Join date: 16 Nov 2005
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11-18-2005 00:50
From: blaze Spinnaker Hotline this. They're probably farming the referrals. Once I figured out what "Hotlining" something meant, I was able to do this.  From: Cheyenne Marquez You would make a terrible detective. Too much interrogation, not enough interview/discussion. Hahahah! I know, wasn't I awful?. I sounded like one of those pushy investigative reporters on the local news during November sweeps.  In case anybody is even following this I thought I'd mention that the surname Axon is mildly infested with 9p93c's as well.
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Intent Unknown
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11-20-2005 20:58
Cross posted from an edit to my Hotline post on this topic: After speaking with a Linden in world there are a few allegations I should retract. However, there are still some loose ends in this situation that deserve a comment. Apparently these accounts were all registered legitmately and legally by a single person and each additional account after the first did incur a $9.95 registration fee - in all costing this person over US$4000 - for the alleged purpose of locking down a particular surname. While each account will receive the weekly stipend of $L50 (if logged in during the week) there was no referral bonus farming going on because no referral bonuses were generated due to the way these accounts were registered (you only receive a referral bonus for your first alt, the next 400 don't count  ). The problem that still exists is that these accounts were created using an exploit. An exploit that allowed this person to get around the current alternate account limit of five per household (an exploit that has since been fixed) as described in this forum post. If this is the case then why are these accounts that were created using an exploit still valid? Shouldn't this customer only be allowed to keep five accounts per the account creation limits?
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Bond Harrington
Kills Threads At 500yds
Join date: 15 May 2005
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11-22-2005 01:28
From: Cheyenne Marquez You would make a terrible detective. Too much interrogation, not enough interview/discussion.  Agreed. That dialogue sounds awfully like harassment. If I was greeted like that when I first logged, I doubt I would've come back. From: Intent Unknown If this is the case then why are these accounts that were created using an exploit still valid? Shouldn't this customer only be allowed to keep five accounts per the account creation limits? Have you thought this could be a business or educational account and that the accounts were created not using an exploit but with Linden permission? Considering that a single account holder holds over 400 accounts and the last names surpass the 150 name limit and the Lindens know about it and have reassured you that there is no fraud or abuse involved, what does that tell you? That Lindens are some how involved? However, I would like to know about the nature of the z9p93c and z9p93k accounts, without divluging too much RL information. As I said, I suspect they're a business or educational account and the amount of money put up for them would suggest that.
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Desmond Shang
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11-22-2005 03:27
While no actual evidence is in hand, we do have a prime suspect.
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Intent Unknown
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11-22-2005 05:53
From: Bond Harrington
Have you thought this could be a business or educational account and that the accounts were created not using an exploit but with Linden permission?
I think you must have missed the part where I said the accounts were created with an exploit. Here, let me quote it for you: From: Me The problem that still exists is that these accounts were created using an exploit. An exploit that allowed this person to get around the current alternate account limit of five per household (an exploit that has since been fixed) as described in this forum post. From: Bond Harrington Considering that a single account holder holds over 400 accounts and the last names surpass the 150 name limit and the Lindens know about it and have reassured you that there is no fraud or abuse involved, what does that tell you? That Lindens are some how involved?
I assume that the surname limit of 150 residents was surpassed because of the exploit that was used. Yes there was no fraud involved and no - you are incorrect - the Lindens were not involved until they discovered the suspicious trend, investigated, and subsequently fixed the exploit. If they Lindens had become involved earlier Mr. Flanders could have saved a bundle of money by reserving a surname through more conventional means.
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