Not everyone will be able to maintain their tier by the sale of $L, alot less than do so now I suspect.
And that, to answer your question, would be bad.
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01-25-2006 12:02
Not everyone will be able to maintain their tier by the sale of $L, alot less than do so now I suspect. And that, to answer your question, would be bad. _____________________
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Schwanson Schlegel
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01-25-2006 12:18
And that, to answer your question, would be bad. But inevitable. ![]() (edit to add: The % of people able to pay the entirety of their tier would decrease, not the actual quantity of people) _____________________
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Anna Bobbysocks
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01-25-2006 15:41
As I've said time and again, the exchange rate will continue to drop until it becomes more economical (from a net cash+hassle total-return POV) to purchase through LindeX than it does to either (a) register another premium account and use the extra L$500/week to make in-game purchases, or (b) do without. Remember, unlike RL currencies, (b) is a totally viable option for each and every person that uses L$. You have to pay cold hard USD for the 500 stipend. I think the stipend ($50 / week) where you DON'T have to pay *ANYTHING* is a much bigger problem. What would you rather pay .. 72 USD for 25K worth of L$ or 0 USD for 2500? Use your uber economic skills to figure that one out.. |
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01-25-2006 18:09
What is bad about the devaluation of the $L ? If it's worth 250L = $1USD or 500L = $1 USD, I don't see a big difference. The actual value of the L$ is not important. Instability and unpredictability is bad. When you don't have confidence in the monetary system, you cannot make intelligent business decision and investments in the economy. If someone could say, "The L$ is going to drop to USD3/block, and stay in that range +-2% for the next year", I'd be ecstatic. Let me reiterate what I'm trying to say: 1) I'm not trying to encourage people to hold "larger floats" 2) I'm not trying to create a new way for people to make money. 3) I'm not trying to figure out a way to redistribute wealth so that the impoverished will benefit. What I'm after is monetary stability. As it stands, the value of L$ is completely fictional. There is really nothing you can do with it. What I want to do is change the equation so that L$ has a minimal, but inherent investment opportunity to give it some strength. _____________________
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Anna Bobbysocks
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01-25-2006 19:35
As it stands, the value of L$ is completely fictional. There is really nothing you can do with it. Riiiight. And the fact that I just paid for dinner with money I made from L$ means that dinner was fictional as well? Well, here is a virtual belch in the general direction of that statement. If the money is entirely fictional, then tell me, who cares what its value is? Who cares if it goes up or down? Hell, the best stories are the ones that you can't predict! I love my fiction to be wild and exciting not boring and stable! The answer to all this is: it's not fictional. |
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01-25-2006 19:54
Riiiight. And the fact that I just paid for dinner with money I made from L$ means that dinner was fictional as well? Well, here is a virtual belch in the general direction of that statement. If the money is entirely fictional, then tell me, who cares what its value is? Who cares if it goes up or down? Hell, the best stories are the ones that you can't predict! I love my fiction to be wild and exciting not boring and stable! The answer to all this is: it's not fictional. Careful, Anna, this is a tricky concept even for people who deal with it all the time. The point of fiat money is it has no inherent value; even US Dollars have value only because people believe they have value. (Or, more specifically, it represents a kind of IOU on the part of the US Government, and there is faith that this government will make good on it's debts.) Forget this thing and you can be in for some very rough surprises. _____________________
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Anna Bobbysocks
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01-25-2006 21:17
If you are trying to say that the USD is as fictional as the L$ my tummy will agree with you
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Aliasi Stonebender
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01-25-2006 21:48
If you are trying to say that the USD is as fictional as the L$ my tummy will agree with you Don't be so simplistic. The point is, neither currency is locked to a real value; your "tummy" might have needed fifty cents to fill it up once upon a time, five dollars now, five hundred dollars in the future. The point that Francis was making that seems to have sailed over your head is there is nothing locking the value of L$ to any one absolute standard, and there's no need to. Which means the actual value of the L$ is totally irrelevant, since it is fictional - a fiction enough people agree on to be useful. It's not like a potato, which is always a potato, or gold, which is always gold. What IS important is that it keep more or less stable, so that by holding on to your lindens you aren't shooting yourself in the foot as they devalue day by day. _____________________
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01-25-2006 22:04
Which means the actual value of the L$ is totally irrelevant, since it is fictional - a fiction enough people agree on to be useful. ![]() What IS important is that it keep more or less stable, so that by holding on to your lindens you aren't shooting yourself in the foot as they devalue day by day. |
Anna Bobbysocks
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01-25-2006 22:24
All value is fictional. Diamonds, for example, are valued only because of a false monopoly created by DeBeers.
But whatever - the fact is though, somone gave me 10K L$, I converted it into 30 USD and got a burger at mcdonalds. If me eating is 'fictional' to you, well that's your call. |
Aliasi Stonebender
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01-25-2006 22:58
You mean, "as fictional as any modern currency, since the days of gold-backing currencies are gone"? ![]() I was once told that, technically speaking, the US Dollar is still backed with gold. It's just not linked to it as a specific value. Yeah, I didn't get it either. Anyway, you're totally right, but many keep thinking of a dollar as something concrete and unchanging, like owning a brick, even when they know it ain't so. Every time the topic comes up on the forums, you get that. My own guess as to what would "fix" things isn't changed, either... what's ideal is to keep the per-capita amount of L$ about the same, month by month. The problem is, while the SL economic system is basically a "social credit" one, it's a bit halfassed - it would be much more stable if LL could bring themselves to directly control the stipend amounts (and scale things like upload fees accordingly), except for the gigantic hue and cry when you start to give only L$37 (or whatever) a week instead of L$50 to put a brake on things. Never mind that the idea would be to make that L$37 have the same buying power as the L$50 did, it's less numbers so it must be bad. (I ain't making myself out to be some kind of econ whiz, but hell, I have a business minor and this is basic Macroeconomics 101 stuff, really.) _____________________
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01-26-2006 03:30
I was once told that, technically speaking, the US Dollar is still backed with gold. It's just not linked to it as a specific value. Yeah, I didn't get it either. ------------------------ Good,......you are truly wise "not to get it" because pardon me for being blunt but the real dollar is not backed by gold (and has not been since the 1930s) In fact the Fed can print as much as it wants, that in part accounts for the debts and deficits that have plagued the US economy since the turn of the century, and via something called an "inverse yield curve" has the potential to cause another depression as bad as the 1930s. In SL if you want a stable economy with the potential to allow creative talent to be rewarded you MUST have a stable currency. I have said before Lindon should convert to a real currency within the metaverse which I define as being freely convertible both in and out. Lindon dollars can currently be devalued to the point of worthlessness, so an acceptable substitute or control mechanisms are perhaps justified |