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SL economy digresses into Third World Status (based on CIA factbook info)

Jamie Bergman
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05-23-2006 10:10
Inflation:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation

"In economics, inflation is an increase in the money supply or an increase in prices."

CIA Factbook on Inflaton Rates:
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/fields/2092.html

"[Typical inflation rates] Developed countries 1% to 4% typically; developing countries 5% to 20% typically; national inflation rates vary widely in individual cases, from declining prices in Japan to hyperinflation in one Third World countries (Zimbabwe); inflation rates have declined for most countries for the last several years, held in check by increasing international competition from several low wage countries (2005 est.)"

SecondLife - 28% (in 4 months) **My inclusion, not in CIA factbook, but rest are.**
Burma 25% (2005 est.)
Zambia 19% (2005 est.)
Angola 17.7% (2005 est.)
Afghanistan 16.3% (2005 est.)
Iran 16% (2005 est.)
Serbia and Montenegro 15.5% (2005 est.)
Haiti 15.2% (2005 est.)
Liberia 15% (2003 est.)
Sri Lanka 11.2% (2005 est.)
Turkmenistan 10% (2005 est.)
Mongolia 9.5% (2005 est.)

Directly out of the CIA factbook. Of course, the Osteriches will invoke some sort of clause that exempts SL from inflation, economics, etc etc.

But its obvious we have a problem here.
Jason Foo
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05-23-2006 10:11
Why don't you wait a couple weeks and see what the new lindex does here. then post again.
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Jamie Bergman
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05-23-2006 10:13
From: Jason Foo
Why don't you wait a couple weeks and see what the new lindex does here. then post again.


Because the supply is the problem. There aren't enough buyers to eat the sea of supply. THAT is what is causing this inflation.
Julia Banshee
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05-23-2006 10:21
From: Jamie Bergman
SecondLife - 28% (in 4 months)


Where does this figure come from? Certainly not the LindeX, I hope. Anyone who claims to know something about economics ought to understand what inflation is and how it is measured. You measure it with a consumer price index, not with a currency exchange (which is, at best, related indirectly to it).

I'd love to know what the actual inflation rate is, but to the best of my knowledge no one is compiling that figure. If they are, I'd love to hear the methodology, and also I'd love to know what a certain land baron's recent moves in the real estate market have had on it. Looking at prices around me for the last month, it looks like we may be seeing deflation in that particular sector of the economy at the moment, but we may be coming off a bubble there.

In any case, I'm pretty sure it's nowhere near 28%. I'd have noticed a jump in prices like that, I think...
Star Sleestak
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05-23-2006 10:21
The problem of supply can be handled with more merchants!

Create, upload, and sell!

And hold your cash in world, don't panic sell just because someone posts a "L$ is falling" thread.
Keiki Lemieux
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05-23-2006 10:29
28% is a made up figure. It doesn't represent four months. It's not "inflation." What's happening is the devaluation of a currency relative to another. And SL's economy has always somewhat resembled a "third world" tourist economy.

You are wasting everyone's time, Jamie.
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Jamie Bergman
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05-23-2006 10:30
From: Keiki Lemieux
28% is a made up figure. It doesn't represent four months. It's not "inflation." What's happening is the devaluation of a currency relative to another. And SL's economy has always somewhat resembled a "third world" tourist economy.

You are wasting everyone's time, Jamie.


Just because you are an osterich doesn't mean you should try to lure others into your game. There are people who depend on SL for RL livelihood. They deserve the truth and not your "pie in the sky everything will be okay" rhetoric.
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05-23-2006 10:31
From: Jamie Bergman
Inflation:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation

"In economics, inflation is an increase in the money supply or an increase in prices."

CIA Factbook on Inflaton Rates:
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/fields/2092.html

"[Typical inflation rates] Developed countries 1% to 4% typically; developing countries 5% to 20% typically; national inflation rates vary widely in individual cases, from declining prices in Japan to hyperinflation in one Third World countries (Zimbabwe); inflation rates have declined for most countries for the last several years, held in check by increasing international competition from several low wage countries (2005 est.)"

SecondLife - 28% (in 4 months) **My inclusion, not in CIA factbook, but rest are.**
Burma 25% (2005 est.)
Zambia 19% (2005 est.)
Angola 17.7% (2005 est.)
Afghanistan 16.3% (2005 est.)
Iran 16% (2005 est.)
Serbia and Montenegro 15.5% (2005 est.)
Haiti 15.2% (2005 est.)
Liberia 15% (2003 est.)
Sri Lanka 11.2% (2005 est.)
Turkmenistan 10% (2005 est.)
Mongolia 9.5% (2005 est.)

Directly out of the CIA factbook. Of course, the Osteriches will invoke some sort of clause that exempts SL from inflation, economics, etc etc.

But its obvious we have a problem here.



Considering people make $500L/$320/USD = $1.56US/40 = $0.04 cents an hour here, yeah, I'd say we're playing in a third world country :D Who wants some prim Nikes?
Star Sleestak
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05-23-2006 10:35
From: Rasah Tigereye
Considering people make $500L/$320/USD = $1.56US/40 = $0.04 cents an hour here, yeah, I'd say we're playing in a third world country :D Who wants some prim Nikes?


Me! I would love prim Nikes! Both men's and women's!

To get the money out of circulation and stimulate the ecomony, we need more merchants selling different kinds of stuff.
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05-23-2006 10:37
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05-23-2006 11:09
From: Jamie Bergman
Just because you are an osterich doesn't mean you should try to lure others into your game. There are people who depend on SL for RL livelihood. They deserve the truth and not your "pie in the sky everything will be okay" rhetoric.

Ok, let me count the lies and half truths in your post:

The 28% figure is incorrect

The price you paid for 1000 Linden four months ago was about 280L/$ or $3.57. The price you would pay today for 1000 Linden is about 320L/$ or $3.13 about 12% less than what it cost four months ago. The decline in value of the Linden over the last four months is 12%.

It is not inflation

First off, it's the devaluation of the currency. Inflation has to do with how much a product costs and I have never seen any good figures for true inflation. Inflation may be happening, but I doubt there is any identical product that was available 2 years ago, that costs more in SL now (besides perhaps land and freebies that have been retextured and being sold without the creator's permission).

Furthermore, from a consumer's standpoint the prices on many goods are getting cheaper in terms of dollars. Now the only consumers who may potentially be harmed by the current devaluation are those that are on a fixed income (i.e. stipends). While most content creators would prefer a more stable currency, I'm guessing that most active content creators have seen their business grow by more than 12% in the last four months. The amount of economic activity that is happening in SL is growing by leaps and bounds and the gradually sliding Linden is probably a positive factor in stimulating the economy. When do people buy large amounts of Lindens to spend? When they percieve the Linden to be a bargain.

I'm not an osterich

I follow the SL markets. I have a business with products that I've actually created myself and I have been able to see some RL profit in it. I have never, ever said that the devaluation of the Linden is not something to be concerned about. In fact, I've said the opposite over and over again. We do need to be concerned about it, and I'm willing to discuss it with someone who truly wants to discuss it.

You do not want to discuss it. You post garbage on this board over and over again. I'm not sure what your goal is, but it is not to foster an open discussion about the SL economy. You are the classic example of a troll and this forum would be much better off without your posts.
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Jamie Bergman
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05-23-2006 11:14
From: Keiki Lemieux

Furthermore, from a consumer's standpoint the prices on many goods are getting cheaper in terms of dollars. Now the only consumers who may potentially be harmed by the current devaluation are those that are on a fixed income (i.e. stipends). While most content creators would prefer a more stable currency, I'm guessing that most active content creators have seen their business grow by more than 12% in the last four months. The amount of economic activity that is happening in SL is growing by leaps and bounds and the gradually sliding Linden is probably a positive factor in stimulating the economy. When do people buy large amounts of Lindens to spend? When they percieve the Linden to be a bargain.



You seem to be speaking only for yourself: /139/b3/108424/1.html

Don't ignore the plight of the working content creators of SL. While YOU may be doing well, others are suffering.
Eddy Stryker
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05-23-2006 12:19
From: Julia Banshee
Where does this figure come from? Certainly not the LindeX, I hope. Anyone who claims to know something about economics ought to understand what inflation is and how it is measured. You measure it with a consumer price index, not with a currency exchange (which is, at best, related indirectly to it).


I do claim to know a little bit about economics, and feel the need to point out that inflation is only measured by the CPI in Neo-Keynesian economics. Traditional supply-side economics use (in part) the money supply. Definitely not the currency exchange rate, which is a measure of (de)valuation of the currency.
Kazanture Aleixandre
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05-23-2006 12:44
Actually;
Inflation : when rate of growth of any national money supply exceeds rate of growth of any affected nation's population headcount.
Nepenthes Ixchel
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05-23-2006 17:08
From: Julia Banshee
You measure it with a consumer price index, not with a currency exchange


I challenge someone to come up with a CPI for SL, where everything is a luxury good!
Jonas Pierterson
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05-23-2006 18:29
From: Jamie Bergman
Just because you are an osterich doesn't mean you should try to lure others into your game. There are people who depend on SL for RL livelihood. They deserve the truth and not your "pie in the sky everything will be okay" rhetoric.


Investing such a stake, they should know theres the possibility fo a let down. Boohoo. Get over it. Your investment didn't pan out. Alot of investments don't pan out.

And Jamie- when you become a working content provider, come talk. Just don't try to talk for them until then.
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05-23-2006 18:42
Jamie stop being stubborn and spell ostrich properly!
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05-23-2006 19:13
It's amazing that there is still ppl reading (even half of) jamie's post :D
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05-23-2006 20:14
From: kerunix Flan
It's amazing that there is still ppl reading (even half of) jamie's post :D


Osterich.
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05-23-2006 21:13
From: Jamie Bergman
Inflation:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation

"In economics, inflation is an increase in the money supply or an increase in prices."

CIA Factbook on Inflaton Rates:
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/fields/2092.html

"[Typical inflation rates] Developed countries 1% to 4% typically; developing countries 5% to 20% typically; national inflation rates vary widely in individual cases, from declining prices in Japan to hyperinflation in one Third World countries (Zimbabwe); inflation rates have declined for most countries for the last several years, held in check by increasing international competition from several low wage countries (2005 est.)"

SecondLife - 28% (in 4 months) **My inclusion, not in CIA factbook, but rest are.**
Burma 25% (2005 est.)
Zambia 19% (2005 est.)
Angola 17.7% (2005 est.)
Afghanistan 16.3% (2005 est.)
Iran 16% (2005 est.)
Serbia and Montenegro 15.5% (2005 est.)
Haiti 15.2% (2005 est.)
Liberia 15% (2003 est.)
Sri Lanka 11.2% (2005 est.)
Turkmenistan 10% (2005 est.)
Mongolia 9.5% (2005 est.)

Directly out of the CIA factbook. Of course, the Osteriches will invoke some sort of clause that exempts SL from inflation, economics, etc etc.

But its obvious we have a problem here.




Yes.. 28% Inflation rate sure must suck..

No thanks to Linden Labs and their do-nothing Guru for the
economy...
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Nepenthes Ixchel
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05-23-2006 21:17
While I confess I havn't read the entiure CIA fact book my understanding is it is intended to describe traditional physical countries where the inhabitants need resources to survive, and it doesn't do a great job covering the economy of virtual worlds where the only things to buy are luxury goods.

Besides which Second Life is on US soil and so technically out of the juristiction of the CIA. Come back when the FBI fact book covers virtual worlds. :-)
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05-23-2006 21:18
From: kerunix Flan
It's amazing that there is still ppl reading (even half of) jamie's post :D



Much better than reading your posts...

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05-23-2006 22:25
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you got Pwned...


Onoz!!!11!!111oneoneone
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05-23-2006 22:42
From: Jamie Bergman
Inflation:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation

"In economics, inflation is an increase in the money supply or an increase in prices."

CIA Factbook on Inflaton Rates:
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/fields/2092.html

"[Typical inflation rates] Developed countries 1% to 4% typically; developing countries 5% to 20% typically; national inflation rates vary widely in individual cases, from declining prices in Japan to hyperinflation in one Third World countries (Zimbabwe); inflation rates have declined for most countries for the last several years, held in check by increasing international competition from several low wage countries (2005 est.)"

SecondLife - 28% (in 4 months) **My inclusion, not in CIA factbook, but rest are.**
Burma 25% (2005 est.)
Zambia 19% (2005 est.)
Angola 17.7% (2005 est.)
Afghanistan 16.3% (2005 est.)
Iran 16% (2005 est.)
Serbia and Montenegro 15.5% (2005 est.)
Haiti 15.2% (2005 est.)
Liberia 15% (2003 est.)
Sri Lanka 11.2% (2005 est.)
Turkmenistan 10% (2005 est.)
Mongolia 9.5% (2005 est.)

Directly out of the CIA factbook. Of course, the Osteriches will invoke some sort of clause that exempts SL from inflation, economics, etc etc.

But its obvious we have a problem here.


I wonder if they have a fact book on people who go claim to be poor and get donations from a church the turn around and open a store to resell that free clothing that someone out there did desperately need.
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The ostrich
05-24-2006 05:12
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The ostrich (Struthio camelus) is a flightless bird native to Africa. It is the only living species of its family, Struthionidae, and its genus, Struthio. They are distinct in their appearance, with a long neck and legs and the ability to run at speeds of about 65 km/h (40 mph). Ostriches are considered the largest living species of bird and are farmed all over the world. The scientific name for the ostrich is from the Greek for "sparrow camel."

Description

Ostriches usually weigh from 90 to 130 kg (200 to 290 pounds), although some male ostriches have been recorded with weights of up to 155 kg (340 pounds). The feathers of adult males are mostly black, with some white on the wings and tail. Females and young males are grayish-brown, with a bit of white. The small vestigial wings are used by males in mating displays. They can also provide shade for chicks. The feathers are soft and serve as insulation, and are quite different from the stiff airfoil feathers of flying birds. There are claws on two of the wings' fingers. The strong legs of the ostrich lack feathers. The bird stands on two toes, with the bigger one resembling a hoof. This is an adaption unique to ostriches that appears to aid in running. The eyes of ostriches with their thick black eyelashes are the biggest eyes of all living land animals.

At sexual maturity (two to four years old), male ostriches can be between 6 feet and 9 feet (1.8 m and 2.7 m) in height, while female ostriches range from 1.7 m to 2 m (5.5 ft to 6.5 ft). During the first year of life, chicks grow about 10 inches (25 cm) per month. At one year, ostrichs weigh around 100 pounds (45 kg).

Classification and distribution
The distribution of ostriches in Africa
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The distribution of ostriches in Africa
Head of an ostrich

Ostriches occur naturally on the savannas and Sahel of Africa, both north and south of the equatorial forest zone. The species belong to the Struthioniformes order (ratites). Other members of this group include rheas, emus, cassowaries and the largest bird ever, the now-extinct Aepyornis. Five subspecies are recognized:

* S.c. australis in Southern Africa
* S.c. camelus in North Africa, sometimes called the North African ostrich or red-necked ostrich.
* S.c. massaicus in East Africa, sometimes called the Masai ostrich. During the mating season, the male's neck and thighs turn pink-orange. Their range is from Ethiopia and Kenya in the east to Senegal in the west, and from eastern Mauritania in the north to southern Morocco in the south.
* S.c. molybdophanes in Somalia, Ethiopia, and northern Kenya, sometimes called the Somali ostrich. During the mating season, the male's neck and thighs turn blue. Its range overlaps with S.c. massaicus in northeastern Kenya. Some authorities consider the Somali Ostrich a full species.
* S.c. syriacus in the Middle East, sometimes called the Arabian ostrich or Middle Eastern ostrich, was a subspecies formerly very common in the Arabian Peninsula, Syria, and Iraq; it became extinct around 1966.

Behavior

Ostriches live in nomadic groups of 5 to 50 birds that often travel together with other grazing animals, such as zebras or antelopes. They mainly feed on seeds and other plant matter; occasionally they also eat animals such as locusts. Lacking teeth, they swallow pebbles that help to grind the swallowed foods in the gizzard. They can go without water for a long time, exclusively living off the moisture in the ingested plants. However, they enjoy water and frequently take baths.

With their acute eyesight and hearing, they can sense predators such as lions from far away.

In popular mythology, the ostrich is famous for hiding its head in the sand at the first sign of danger. The Roman writer Pliny the Elder is noted for his descriptions of the ostrich in his Naturalis Historia, where he describes the ostrich and the fact that it hides its head in a bush. There have been no recorded observations of this behavior. A common counter-argument is that a species that displayed this behavior would not likely survive very long. The myth may have resulted from the fact that, from a distance, when ostriches feed they appear to be burying their head in the sand because they deliberately swallow sand and pebbles to help grind up their food. Burying their heads in sand will in fact suffocate the ostrich. When lying down and hiding from predators, the birds are known to lay their head and neck flat on the ground, making them appear as a mound of earth from a distance. This even works for the males, as they hold wings and tail low, the "flickering" of the hot, dry air that often occurs in their habitat aiding to make them appear as a nondescript dark lump. When threatened, ostriches run away, but they can also seriously injure with kicks from their powerful legs.

The ostrich's behavior is also mentioned in what is thought to be the most ancient book of the Bible in God's discourse to Job (Job 39.13-18)and is described as joyfully proud of its small wings, unmindful of the safety of its nest, a bird that treats her offspring harshly, that lacks in wisdom, and yet can put a horse to shame with its speed.

Reproduction

Ostriches become sexually mature when 2 to 4 years old; females mature about six months earlier than males. The species is iteroparous, with the mating season beginning in March or April and ending sometime before September. The mating process differs in different geographical regions. Territorial males will typically use hisses and other sounds to fight for a harem of 2 to 5 females (which are called hens). The winner of these fights will breed with all the females in an area but only form a pair bond with one, the dominant female. The female cowers on the ground and is mounted from behind by the male.

Ostriches are oviparous. The females will lay their fertilized eggs in a single communal nest, a simple pit scraped in the ground and 30 to 60 cm deep. Ostrich eggs can weigh 1.3 kg and are the largest of all eggs (and the largest single cells), though they are actually the smallest eggs relative to the size of the bird. The nest may contain 15 to 60 eggs, with an average egg being 6 inches (15 cm) long, 5 inches (13 cm) wide, and weigh 3 pounds (1.4 kg). They are shiny and whitish in color. The eggs are incubated by the females by day and by the male by night, making use of the different colors of the two sexes to escape detection. The gestation period is 35 to 45 days. Typically, the male will tend to the hatchlings.

The life span can extend from 30 to 70 years, with 50 being typical.

http://www.answers.com/topic/ostrich?method=5&linktext=ostrich

Ontopic:
How long does it take to boil an ostrich egg?
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