% of land holders in sl

All the world is wrong (Linden's included) and Pro..whatever the heck your name is is right. Everyones out to get you and make you look bad PULEASE!

The math is in front of you take it or leave it. You dont agree and getting no answers from Linden's on questions that are quite frankly none of your business? Go figure it out for yourself. Your such a smart college educated guy.. go count!

Nope, the sentence just allows for two different interpretations so I'm asking that it be clarified.



I'm leaving it because I've got questions about it. Someone else helpfully pointed out that group land may not be included.



Oh? Says who?



An inworld count would be difficult and skewed.

Could I suggest you examine your need to make vitupertive posts when you have nothing to say and nothing to add?

Two interpretations or not, your secondary interpretation defies common-sense logic.

Why would they bother mentioning 2%, if it was 2% of "most"?

Yeah, they wouldn't... It only makes sense if it's 2% of ALL.

2 percent of all those who had the most dwell.

You can have "two percent of most" because "most" is one end of a hugely belled curve.

The use a formula for calculating dwell.

There's a huge gap between the average person's lot with it's 0 or 1 or 5 traffic, and the big timers with their 12,000 dwell.

Therefore the pool of people with the most dwell contains, say 100 or 500 at the upper edge of the curve. They then take out of that pool, not the entire pool of the game. If they do it that way, they are skimming the creme de la creme.

It just seems terribly obvious to me. If they don't do it that way, fine, I understand. But their statement allows for that interpretation.

Actually it changes everything, it is the single part that clarifies the sentence...

You wrote : 2 percent of the landowners with the most dwell.

Lindens wrote : The 2 percent of landowners with the most dwell.


I totally agree with you, those two statements mean entirely different things... However, only ONE of them is atributable to the Lindens, and theirs is quite clear in its meaning.

Let's try another example.

"2% of landowners with green hair" means take all the green haired landowners and choose 2% of them.

"The 2% of landowners with green hair" means of all landowners, 2% have green hair...

Hence "The 2% of landowners with the most dwell" means of all landowners, we're choosing the 2% that have the most dwell. There is no ambiguity.


As far as the group land concirn, if you donate tier to a group you are included in the landowner group, and hence are eligible for the DI awards.

They don't do it that way. You are continually misquoting their statement.

This seems fine to me to be interpreted as the meaning I've ascribed:

those two percent of landowners out of the list of all those with the most dwell -- but not those two percent out of all landowners.

But why continue this? Either the Lindens will answer or they won't. Dwelloper awards are not the point here. That figure was only cabbaged to be used to figure out the answer to the other question!

ok, how would you interpret " The 2 percent of Landowners with the least dwell" ?

How about "The top 2 percent of landowners"

or "The Landowners within 2% of the top of the dwell list"

or even "The 2% of users who paid a land tier fee and held land during the month or donated part or all of their tier to a group which held land during said month and also received dwell during said month more than other users who also received dwell so as to put them at (or near) the top of an ordered list of said users (with or without land, but certainly donating tier) which being ordered by dwell received such ranking places them superior to other users."

The finger I use to scroll the mouse with hurts a lot less now that I used the ignore feature. If it weren't for the quotes ...

Linden offers a $US reward to the 2% of landowners who receive the most dwell

I ran the above text into http://www.connexor.com/demo/tagger/

and got (edited slightly):


Pay particular notice to:

2% nominal head, noun, noun phrase begins
of postmodifier, preposition, noun phrase continues
landowners nominal head, plural noun, noun phrase ends

"2% of landowners" is the noun, not "landowners who receive the most dwell."

I wonder if there are any English teachers on hand to actually diagram the sentence for you.

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I can diagram the sentence just fine.

The Lindens haven't answered the question. Indeed, my question disappeared completely from that section for some reason.

I'm not stupid. I'm expecting the Lindens will say "oh, we meant 2 percent of all landowners in the game as a whole, not 2 percent of just that portion of players who have the most dwell."

I quite realize that and always realized that. But the sentence *can* be read the other way TOO and I'd like to clarify that they mean the first meaning precisely because dwell calculation is an odd thing, for which they have a formula, and I'd like to be clear they're not being odd here, too.

We talking American English or British English ?

Oh my god...

Stop feeding the troll. Syntax obviously isn't his strong suit. Stop baiting him.

Fuck. Put him on ignore.

Lordly, did you have any numbers for us on how many people own land in SL?

As per prok's suggestion, even though my name is not Lordly...

As of 5/6/2005, there were 73 people who got a reward. The top 2% of landowners get the reward.

Therefore... 73 people divided by .02 (73/.02) = 3650 (three thousand, six hundred and fifty).

Obviously that's different today, as more people buy land every day.

It's simple mathematics.

LF

The matherati have arrived!

I would like to know how many of the 28000+ current residents of SL are active players (logs in at least once per month), how many are regular players (logs in at least once a week), how many are occasional players (logs in once every 2-6 months), and how many are players that log in 5 times a week or more. Those numbers would be interesting. I bet if you look at those numbers verse who owns land in each of the groups, you would be surprised.

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Hi, thanks! glad you found this little gem, which is much more clearly stated than the other statement!

It indeed sounds like it says the award goes to 2 percent of all landowners.

I certainly concede that and don't have a problem with that!

What I do continue to question is whether this figure, used to calculate the developer's award, is an accurate figure for all landowners. The figure seems too low to me.

So I still ask that question, sorry, because this material is out of date.

Well, it turns out my intuition on this was correct.

Philip Linden had an impromptu meeting at the Welcome Area tonight. I got to ask him a few questions, as did many others.

I asked him how many new people had come into the game in the last month, and what was the percentage of players who owned land overall.

He said 3000 had come in the game new, and that 20 percent of all players own land.

He said he didn't know off the top of his head how many of the new people per se bought land, but that the number of owners of land had gone up.

So he said 20, not 12. Not a big difference? Oh, I think it is quite a big difference give how fast the numbers went up, and how many new people came in.

More on this subject in other related threads.

As I mentioned in a previous comment, there could be a skew in the numbers caused by group land ownership. While some people may be able to act as landowners due to membership in a group that owns land, they may not actually be contributing any tier to the group. That would remove them from the list of owners who accrue dwell, and thus from the DI awards numbers. But Philip may consider them landowners by what he feels are appropriate criteria. I think you should continue to push for a definitive answer in the form of actual numbers. I'll be interested in the result.

I don't know why they didn't answer when Prokofy asked, but they did when I asked.

So it would appear that the incentives aren't calculated for all landowners, only landowners that own more than 512 m2. The figure that Stoneself originally worked out (3650) is very close to the one above (around 3700). That makes about 18% (fairly close to Philip's statement of 20%, and that might be the result of rounding) of all users, while the group that is used to calculate dwell are about 13% of the population. Not includng people who own 512 or less total is what threw Stoneself's calculation off. So yes, the figure is not accurate for all landowners, but Robin's clarification explains why.

Well, out of date mathematics, I guess.

Philip said 20 percent tongiht, and 3000 new people had come in the door. You heard him.

Hehe, funny, Prok, your intuition WAS right. Though NOONE questioned your intuition. I admit, even to me 12% sounded 'suspiciously low'.

Everyone questioned your misinterpretation of THAT particular sentence. And you just kept banging and banging on that sentence. But it was not the sentence that was wrong, it was 'something' that Lindens didn't publicize, the 'bigger than 512' filter.

So... intuition right? Yes.
Method of banging on a sentence good? No.

Anyway, I'm happy we finally have the approx right numbers. For me, it's just curiosity, but for many landowners or 'investors' it might be more.

Maybe I missed it somewhere but I have to ask: If I dont own any land but Im in a group that has land deeded to it, am I part of that 20%?