Second Life Needs Stable Currency - n I'm not Anshe Chung
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Dmitri Polonsky
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03-31-2006 23:36
From: Jodina Patton You need to update your information sources. Washington States min wage is $7.63 and Oregons is $7.50. Here is a nice page with current info. Just click a state: http://www.dol.gov/esa/minwage/america.htmWhich in actuality means washington's is subjectively lower since they taxe holy hades out of thier residents.LOL And before anyone gets huffy, I was born and raised right across the river in oregon.LOL
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Dmitri Polonsky
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03-31-2006 23:39
From: Darkness Anubis This strikes me as an even worse idea. For the following reasons. You are effectively saying here that you are going to mark up your prices if the deal is done in L$ to rates potentially higher than they are already to try to give incentive (force may be too strong a word and incentive to weak) buyers to deal in A$. Many are going to resent this. And left over A$ will still need to be converted to other currencies in many cases and the fees for this still have not been stated. Resentment in one aspect of a business has a nasty habit of carrying over to all other aspects. I suspect what is really going on here with you initial announcement and followup posts is that you are studying the responses of the forum denizens. From these responses you will refine your plan of action on this issue. * shrugs* it's what I would do not rocket science. Weather or not you are manipulating the Lindex to force the L$ to that critical point where your plan must come into action I can't say. There is no concrete proof. I will say it has crossed alot of minds but that does not mean you are doing it. I will say I think this plan is very ill advised particularly at this point in SL history. The age play debacle has brought SL to public notice in a less than flattering way that may well bring authorities into the game. Also there has been some noise about getting the California gambling commission into SL in which case BECAUSE Lindex exists might well leave LL holding the bag of unregulated gambling (in game casinos). The last thing SL need at this point in time is a currency clearly backed by RL money. The L$'s RL value is still just grey enough LL might wiggle out of an unregulated gambling charge. The A$ Likely will not be. I do have to give you kudos for guts though. It's an enormous risk. Gain is potentially fantastic but you might well lose your shirt and all of us might lose SL. Beginning to think I am the only one who's seen the broader issue..Anshe produces the A$...she needs more she jsut released it..right to her own pocket. At that rate no one will ever beat her at auction again since jsut printing more up is no loss to her.
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Yumi Murakami
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04-01-2006 04:36
From: Dmitri Polonsky Beginning to think I am the only one who's seen the broader issue..Anshe produces the A$...she needs more she jsut released it..right to her own pocket. At that rate no one will ever beat her at auction again since jsut printing more up is no loss to her. That doesn't work, for the same reason that Lindens aren't allowed to use their "unlimited L$" power to buy up everything in the game. The A$ is going to be backed apparantly by some amount of EUR. If Anshe just manufactures extra A$ without adding more EUR to the fund, it gets devalued. And if Anshe adds more EUR, she's paying real money for the land, same as anyone else. I also seriously doubt that LL would be interested in running their auctions in anything other than US$ anyway. I suppose a concern is that there might actually be some number of people on SL who are prepared to lose US$ to hurt Anshe, and thus are prepared to participate irrationally in an A$ market - which is a tricky thing for business to deal with. So when the A$ comes out, they buy it up from her, but then just hold it in their accounts and do nothing with it. Anshe gets her backing money back but then all the A$ are frozen and cannot be used as a currency.
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Compulsion Overdrive
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04-01-2006 06:35
From: Dmitri Polonsky Beginning to think I am the only one who's seen the broader issue..Anshe produces the A$...she needs more she jsut released it..right to her own pocket. At that rate no one will ever beat her at auction again since jsut printing more up is no loss to her. I could draw my face on ten million pieces of paper and say i'm rich, it dosn't mean I am. as it's highly likely the majority of people would never accept A$ what is the point of making money only you accept?
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Darkness Anubis
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04-01-2006 09:02
From: Dmitri Polonsky Beginning to think I am the only one who's seen the broader issue..Anshe produces the A$...she needs more she jsut released it..right to her own pocket. At that rate no one will ever beat her at auction again since jsut printing more up is no loss to her. If she does this one of 2 things would be true. Either she has bought more Silver Euros to back it or she hasn't. In the first case she has done nothing to the value of the A$ and it is a legitimate move but in the second she has devalued her own currency and the conversion rates between A$/USD/L$ would adjust accordingly. Also remember at least initially she will be the only one doing those conversions. There is no point in her printing A$ to convert from her own pocket. Much faster to just pay the auctions in USD and save the work. LL is not going to take A$ for auctions.
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Lewis Nerd
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04-01-2006 09:28
From: Darkness Anubis If she does this one of 2 things would be true. Either she has bought more Silver Euros to back it or she hasn't. Actually.... Googleing "Silver Euro" only brings up a few commemorative coins.... so the question has to be asked, does this mysterious backing source actually exist? Lewis
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John Toonie
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04-01-2006 20:11
if you want a stable currency look here: /130/27/97542/1.htmlthats about the only way your going to get the value of the linden up in this current market, but if you look at the entire market data from the start of the lindex, sure the price of the linden is going down, but its not a depression, maybe a minor recession but from the time the lindex opened its been in a boom, anyone that does market analysis over long term its a rollercoaster and if everyone freaks out the market just keeps falling, half the damage of the great depression was just shear fear, fear to invest, fear to bank, fear to do anything with money so the market falls on its rump. Sure buying on the margin and other stock exchange practices helped it along, but the true problem was people got scared when it started to fall so everyone wanted out.
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Jon Rolland
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04-01-2006 21:55
From: Yumi Murakami That doesn't work, for the same reason that Lindens aren't allowed to use their "unlimited L$" power to buy up everything in the game.
The A$ is going to be backed apparantly by some amount of EUR. If Anshe just manufactures extra A$ without adding more EUR to the fund, it gets devalued. Actually it does work to an extent her plan was for a floating currency with a guarenteed floor. Lets say she placed that floor at $250A=$1EUR if the currency appreciated to $150A = $1EUR she could add unbacked $A's to her account till she devalued it to $200A = $1EUR As long as she keeps the exchange rate above her floor she doesn't have to worry about the unbacked currency if it starts devaluing too much she just starts buying it back and deleting it she still loses nothing since she never paid for that currency she just closes a no interest loan to herself WITH a profit since she's buying it back cheaper than she sold it. Pretty sweet eh?
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Ranma Tardis
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04-02-2006 15:14
From: Jon Rolland Actually it does work to an extent her plan was for a floating currency with a guarenteed floor. Lets say she placed that floor at $250A=$1EUR if the currency appreciated to $150A = $1EUR she could add unbacked $A's to her account till she devalued it to $200A = $1EUR As long as she keeps the exchange rate above her floor she doesn't have to worry about the unbacked currency if it starts devaluing too much she just starts buying it back and deleting it she still loses nothing since she never paid for that currency she just closes a no interest loan to herself WITH a profit since she's buying it back cheaper than she sold it. Pretty sweet eh? Yes, it is a good deal for her but you forget. You have to make people take it! Selling land now requires Lindens!
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Jon Rolland
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04-02-2006 15:21
From: Ranma Tardis Yes, it is a good deal for her but you forget. You have to make people take it! Selling land now requires Lindens! I didn't forget in fact i said i wouldn't take it. I'd leave SL before I'd be fool enough to compete with her while letting her control the value of my money, even if she didn't prove herself incapable of keeping up with her own finances much less mine.
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Michael Seraph
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04-02-2006 22:25
Where are the resmods? Isn't it against the rules to use a person's name in a thread title? They've been so busy moving stuff around and locking threads today I'm really surprised they haven't zipped in and messed with this one. Heck if you post a thread with a resmod's name it's only minutes before he posts a tirade and then locks the thread. Where are they all now?
Curious....
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Dmitri Polonsky
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04-02-2006 22:35
From: Anshe Chung The idea is to give buyers both options: buy in L$ or use one more stable currency to buy. The prices in the more stable currency however would need less markup for cover the risk, expected devaluation and all this kinda thing. Risk and uncertainty can be expensive, stable currencies can therefore save money. So...translation....buy in L's or the currency provided by someone who couldn't even keep thier own account straight.LOL
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Dmitri Polonsky
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04-02-2006 22:37
From: Lord Wishbringer Bit harsh.
Plus,thats Your opinion. Its not mine. I have been paying Anshe for about 7 or 8 months, and have nothing but praise for the company. Actually do a good long forum search. Talk to some ppl, including myself, in world and you will find that this is not just an opinion but a statement that has some real history behind it.
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Dmitri Polonsky
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04-02-2006 22:38
From: Jon Rolland I didn't forget in fact i said i wouldn't take it. I'd leave SL before I'd be fool enough to compete with her while letting her control the value of my money, even if she didn't prove herself incapable of keeping up with her own finances much less mine. I thought that was already proven a couple days ago.ROFLMMFAO
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