Tier - how do people pay it?
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Toy LaFollette
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12-23-2005 13:33
From: Oasis Perun *looks for the reserved for Land owners sign b4 posting*
I know this discussion is about land teirs but i saw renting mentioned earlier and wanted to add to it.. right now i am renting from Desire Rentals(great ppl to rent from) @ 350L a week for a mid size prefab and 400 prims with the option to rent more at 1l per prim per per week. THis is only a temorary thing until i buy a piece of land.. but the math tells me right now that I am doing pretty good price wise... 350 a week is only 1400 a month.. so in reality 400 prims for under $5/month... cant be beat....
And to pay for it all I play games..poker and pizza mainly but a good night of either and i have my rent for the a couple weeks. Which leaves plenty of times for just enjoying my 2nd Life. The main difference is when you want to move on all you have paid is gone. Whereas owning your own land and wanting to move on you can sell the existing land.
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Oasis Perun
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12-23-2005 14:04
From: Toy LaFollette The main difference is when you want to move on all you have paid is gone. Whereas owning your own land and wanting to move on you can sell the existing land. Whats the difference with paying teir fees?.. realistically unless you run a shop all that money is out the window just as much as rent... teir fees are extremely high compared to the value of the land at Linder per meter...unless you own a large amount. If i buy a parcel of first land for @ 1:1.. i get my 117 prims and an additional 9.95 a month to pay. So after a month of that i have already paid twice my rent.. are yuo telling me that in on average that i could buy land to actually live on for a couple months and make the difference back by selling it?.. Im not sure what the actual land rates are but even at 6-7L/M you would still only make back 1 month of a premium account... So essentially the difference i would have paid was $4.95 more for 283 prims less the whole time... not including the 512L that went in to buy the land. |
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Jodina Patton
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12-23-2005 14:07
Original post: From: Pix Paz Pardon me but am I missing something fundamental about the SL land system?
Unless you have a store generating good amounts of funds, how do people justify to themselves paying say $180 per year in tier for a 2048m2 castle that practically nobody (including themselves) visits. The same thing goes for rent / leasing large (often very beautiful) plots.
I love sightseeing, wandering around them in wonder but um yeah... is it some form of architecturally driven community service?
Are these people stupid rich in RL or is something else going on here? From: Zodiakos Absolute
I thought a private sim was 195 dollars a month? That's 195 divided by 30... 6 dollars a day.
I need to lose some weight though... maybe if I go without eating! See, you can lose weight by getting a private island!
I see no where the original poster speaking of private sims or even a full sim. 2048m is not a full sim is it? |
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Toy LaFollette
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12-23-2005 14:09
From: Oasis Perun Whats the difference with paying teir fees?.. realistically unless you run a shop all that money is out the window just as much as rent... teir fees are extremely high compared to the value of the land at Linder per meter...unless you own a large amount.
If i buy a parcel of first land for @ 1:1.. i get my 117 prims and an additional 9.95 a month to pay. So after a month of that i have already paid twice my rent.. are yuo telling me that in on average that i could buy land to actually live on for a couple months and make the difference back by selling it?.. Im not sure what the actual land rates are but even at 6-7L/M you would still only make back 1 month of a premium account... So essentially the difference i would have paid was $4.95 more for 283 prims less the whole time... not including the 512L that went in to buy the land. Your missing it still....... I can make back when I sell, not all but a portion and as far as the size of my land, perhaps my builds require it. I have often stated in the forums that I am not in SL to make money, I simply consider what I pay a good entertainment expense 
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Oasis Perun
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12-23-2005 19:37
Here is my point... I will give you 350/L for land and 400 prims each month and you wont break even unless you own a whole sim... its actually about 8 times more expensive from the 512 teir than owning a whole sim. including the 9.95 each month for the account. Even if you buy a little bit of land.. your losses from overpaying to Linden labs will far outway the 400 prims @ 350 a week or about $5/mo. here's my math :: 512M = 9.95/mo = 117prims = ~$0.085/primmo 16,384M = 9.95/mo + $75 = 74.95/mo = 3744prims = ~.02/primmo 32768m = 9.95/mo + $125 = 134.95/mo = 7488prims = ~.018/primmo 65,536m = 9.95/mo + $195 = 209.95/mo = 14976prims = ~0.014/primmo 350L * 4 weeks a month = 1400L/mo / $4/1000L = $5.60/mo = ~.016/primmo ok.. . to even come close based on the prim economy you would have to own exactly 32768m(if you own one more you are on the next teir 195/mo(a full sim)) .. for the return on the sale of the land?.. i dont know much about that but the returns on the sale would have to be ridiculous.. something along the line of the "impeach bush" prices..LMAO.. and for larger plots to rent there are many around.. from what i have seen the smaller "high prim" lots offer the best deals though. Im not here to make money(quite yet.lol) but right now i do like to stetch my buck to enjoy it as much as possible |
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Toy LaFollette
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12-23-2005 19:42
From: Oasis Perun Here is my point... I will give you 350/L for land and 400 prims each month and you wont break even unless you own a whole sim... its actually about 8 times more expensive from the 512 teir than owning a whole sim. including the 9.95 each month for the account. Even if you buy a little bit of land.. your losses from overpaying to Linden labs will far outway the 400 prims @ 350 a week or about $5/mo.
here's my math ::
512M = 9.95/mo = 117prims = ~$0.085/primmo
16,384M = 9.95/mo + $75 = 74.95/mo = 3744prims = ~.02/primmo
32768m = 9.95/mo + $125 = 134.95/mo = 7488prims = ~.018/primmo
65,536m = 9.95/mo + $195 = 209.95/mo = 14976prims = ~0.014/primmo
350L * 4 weeks a month = 1400L/mo / $4/1000L = $5.60/mo = ~.016/primmo
ok.. . to even come close based on the prim economy you would have to own exactly 32768m(if you own one more you are on the next teir 195/mo(a full sim)) ..
for the return on the sale of the land?.. i dont know much about that but the returns on the sale would have to be ridiculous.. something along the line of the "impeach bush" prices..LMAO.. and for larger plots to rent there are many around.. from what i have seen the smaller "high prim" lots offer the best deals though. actually I understand what your saying although I do prefer being able to own my land, not rent... this way I can build whatever I want at any time.... Its basically a preference. And its a large one to me so I will continue to pay my 195$ for the island and my 40$ a month for my ML land and not worry about it
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Oasis Perun
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12-23-2005 19:54
I see where you are coming from as well . just food for thought for those of us who arent ready to put that kind of money into SL for those conveniences |
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Zodiakos Absolute
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12-23-2005 21:13
From: Jodina Patton Original post:
I see no where the original poster speaking of private sims or even a full sim. 2048m is not a full sim is it? Lies! It's all there, I swear! It's just... hiding! Yes, that's it, it's hiding. You have to coax it out. /me crawls into a cave. |
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Hank Ramos
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12-23-2005 21:20
It's an entertainment expense. SL after all is entertainment. A game. A virtual world to explore, to spend your free time expressing yourself.
If you watched a pay-per-view movie once a week for a year, it'd cost you more USD$.
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Pix Paz
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12-24-2005 01:22
I'm enjoying SL and understand why LL want tier.
So I suppose my real point of the original post was to work out for myself what land in this game is about for me.
I own 4 investment properties in RL and money is not a problem but part of this game is setup as a economy / investment game but really unless you have are selling sex/desire item or some kind of high volume / value item land in the game is an entertainment expense because the numbers dont stack up for most projects as a purely economic prospect.
*smiles* I am the proud new owner of a parcel that will attract tier and what I want to do on it will not pay for it. Why kid yourself?
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florenze Kerensky
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Something else is going on
12-25-2005 02:22
From: Pix Paz is something else going on here? I often see land in SL, land of the sort you refer to Pix, not much different then a canvas to a painter, a piece of rock to a sculptor, or even yarn to a knitter. These 'hobbies' cost in rl for the materials. So why paint, sculpt or knit? Usually for the love of it. It isn't all bout money. Computers and the internet just provides another form of medium to create, the ability to show it and to share. And I for one am glad that in SL many do just that flo From: Pix Paz Pardon me but am I missing something fundamental about the SL land system?
Unless you have a store generating good amounts of funds, how do people justify to themselves paying say $180 per year in tier for a 2048m2 castle that practically nobody (including themselves) visits. The same thing goes for rent / leasing large (often very beautiful) plots.
I love sightseeing, wandering around them in wonder but um yeah... is it some form of architecturally driven community service?
Are these people stupid rich in RL or is something else going on here?
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Jodina Patton
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12-27-2005 20:58
From: Zodiakos Absolute Lies! It's all there, I swear! It's just... hiding! Yes, that's it, it's hiding. You have to coax it out.
/me crawls into a cave. Ok, whatever? Anyway.... I own 1,536 square meters and pay $8US a month in tier fees. Being I bring home between $1,600 and $2,200 a month US after taxes in my REAL LIFE job the tier fee is nothing. I could easily afford a full sim at $195 a month if I choose to and I am FAR from "stupid" rich. |
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Zippity Neutra
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12-28-2005 16:35
Yeah, I write off tier because I've been too lazy/disorganized to sell the trinkets I have fun making. Moving across a continent and having all my RL goods in storage hasn't helped any...
My big question right now is, how will I pay for a new nVIDIA 7800 gfx card so I can at long last turn on *all* the blingtastic display options in the client without dropping to 1fps! Oh, and a new motherboard for PCI-e. Which leads to a new CPU, and new RAM. Hell, I just better be able to reuse that aluminum case and the flat panels...
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kornation Bommerang
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12-28-2005 21:03
180 usd = rough £110 thats less than £10 a month - i buy roughly 4 mags a month and a newspaper each day - that equals rough £27 (£5 each mag plus 25p each newspaper) wow- im stopping buying the newspapers and mags - ive got the internet so dont need em  then again - im a pc/gaming maniac and the mags are gaming n pc mags - i need em their my PreCious.... My PrEciOus..
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Smith Peel
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12-31-2005 12:15
The best thing I've ever heard about SL is--- It is forcing some people to give up soda pop. Is this not the most wonderful news? Soda is a deadly substance. There is enough sugar to kill a horse in one can. Not to mention enough acid to chew through most other lifeforms from the inside out. I can see the new ad campaign, it's coming to me...
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