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Mia Winthorpe

Pirttihirmu

Join date: 2 Apr 2006

Posts: 128

04-06-2006 01:53

From: Jonas Pierterson

If you still read this again, try gaming or hosting. If you enjoy the games or parties, then being paid to participate and enhance the experience for others is only a bonus!

Thanks for the suggestion, and those are, indeed, the kind of jobs I have considered. They seem like great fun also, but unfortunately, being a noob (less than a week), I wouldn't know how to do any of it. They all require some kind of experience in hosting etc. and for a reason, I'm sure. I've tried to observe some hosts everywhere I go, and their job seems so complicated I feel very discouraged...lol. Managing scripts and all...
Mia

Eep Quirk

Absolutely Relative

Join date: 15 Dec 2004

Posts: 1,211

04-06-2006 02:24

From: Jopsy Pendragon

Hmmm.... I thought one of the purposes of SL's free basic accounts was to allow tourists freedom to explore SecondLife. Some obviously do more than just tour once and leave, but I'm certain a non-trivial number of basic accounts are used once or only a few times and then forgotten.

The difference being: an AW tourist doesn't get an account (that can build, have an inventory, etc), unlike an SL basic free account.

Margaret Mfume

I.C.

Join date: 30 Dec 2004

Posts: 2,492

04-06-2006 08:39

From: Mia Winthorpe

I noticed, yesterday when I was browsing through classifieds, visiting each site, talking to landlords, just as hard work as in RL, except the landlords were much nicer in-world

As are the people, in general. You, as well as anyone esle who happens along, can freely use my land to relax, build, or hang out with friends while your finding your own way. I admit I am not so welcoming and accomodating irl.

From: Mia Winthorpe

I'm taking part in one, to be able to support myself and reach one of the goals I started playing SL for, although I hear it takes a long time, years even, even if I take that class.

As irl, much depends on your aptitude and the effort you are willing to put in. Unlike furthering your education irl, though, people (not LL) have provided you with the tools at no cost and at the convenience of your own schedule (using the tutorials).

From: Mia Winthorpe

By reading the forums and ppl whining there?

*sigh* Do you often formulate your opinions based on anonymous forum posters and whiners?

From: Mia Winthorpe

Because people feel comfortable telling me I should spend my money and game experience according to THEIR expectations and building up THEIR finances.

Which of the following is your preference?
- Treat others the way you wish to be treated.
- Poor behavior on the part of others is a model for and justification of one's own behavior.

You invited comments by posting here and the responses are not commands. For the most part, people have provided you with information about your options rather than told you what to do. That you weren't shown how to achieve the things you want immediately and at no cost is not telling you how you should spend your money. I have described how to get away from rl, relax and enjoy SL without spending a penny. It is my choice to earn no money here and carve a place for SL in my entertainment budget. It was LL who set up the structure for people to profit from their efforts and made no requirement upon them to reinvest their earnings. They market that aspect of SL quite heartily. I can't find the detour around LL which puts me on a path open to criticizing those who have taken them up on it.

You're willing to put forth effort and opportunities for learning and growth abound. I am sure you will do well and create an SL for yourself which satisfies. The journey is better than having it all anyway. Good luck to you.

_____________________

hush

Enabran Templar

Capitalist Pig

Join date: 26 Aug 2004

Posts: 4,506

04-06-2006 09:50

From: Mia Winthorpe

I've played TSO, to me, SL seemed like 3D TSO- The next generation. I do like working for my money, and feeling of achievement. Work in TSO was a drag, just sitting down, reading, or clicking things to make money. Boring, in every way.

Boring because it wasn't real. There was no value being created, nothing special or productive came out of the work. It was just jumping through hoops. SL is different because you can create real value and easily exchange it for other real value. That reality is a cornerstone of the platform's success.

From: Mia Winthorpe

Just because I don't want to become a stripper or a h**ker (seems to be majority of work offered in classifieds), doesn't mean I'm not willing to work for my bucks. I actually have a business idea, but I'm afraid it's going to take a long time to realize it. I want the land and a house to start up my business in peace, experiment with stuff, without having to worry about clothes falling off at some point, and people getting their strip show I never wanted to give. And yes..to build my own little nest

Phht, please. The strippers and escorts and hookers are the dullards of the SL economy and while they may make a bit of coin, there's plenty more to aspire to here. Glad you don't want to emulate that.

As to the rest, good for you for taking your time. There's a lot to learn about here and I always advise aspiring business people do exactly what you're doing: Grab some land, dick around doing personal stuff and just have a good time.

Just go into all of it knowing that, whatever it is you'll be wanting, you will have to pay your own way. The market will dictate what the fairest price will be for that and you will determine how much you value the resulting product.

Good luck!

_____________________

From: Hiro Pendragon

Furthermore, as Second Life goes to the Metaverse, and this becomes an open platform, Linden Lab risks lawsuit in court and [attachment culling] will, I repeat WILL be reverse in court.

Second Life Forums: Who needs Reason when you can use bold tags?

Vivianne Draper

Registered User

Join date: 15 Sep 2005

Posts: 1,157

04-06-2006 10:21

From: Mia Winthorpe

I just started playing a few days ago, with the intention of updating my basic account to a premium one, in order to purchase land, have a home and start my little business. I was also going to have a friend join me, and buy land together to build something together. Seeing the state of things, I'm not so sure about that anymore.

I know noobs can by "First Land" or something similar, and I went to check the places. Most of the time I landed on someone's porch, or nearby. Once an owner of one of the houses nearby even teleported on me. Well, I figured "First land" isn't for me, and started checking Land sales. To my horror, I found the 512 m2 piece of land cost 4 k minimum, and even those were squeezed btw. other houses, malls etc.

How on earth is a noob going to afford buying land and a house when they first come here, without any means of getting money, besides the allowance from Linden. I tried free slots, which don't give terribly much, money chairs were a bore, and I sure as heck don't want to take part in a competition for a dancer with the least clothes on, and unfortunately am not able to design pretty clothes yet to start business (taking a class later on).

Are people speculating with land, hoarding money they get from it and not using them in-game, in order to exchange them to USD to benefit their RL finances? Isn't this supposed to be a game to relax from RL worries and to have fun in? IMHO, it's not the 50 L basic account holders get that makes the situation as it is. That basic money was what enabled me to start off buying essential stuff from vendors (female vanity) etc... See: noobs do circulate the money they get... unless they have to hoard it to save for basic needs, such as own land. Having incentives, such as the money, might help basic account holders see more of what this game has to offer and decide to pay for the premium account. It's not like the game has missions you can run to get money from...or does it?

I don't know if this ranting has a point, but just thought I'd offer a noob's POV on things, and hoping to remind ppl that this is just a game to have fun in and let others enjoy it as well. Game not meant for personal gain IRL.
Mia

So what I hear you saying is that you don't like what you can afford so other people should come down on their prices so that you can afford what you like. That's kind of like saying "well I've only got the skills to work at McDonalds and they don't pay me much so you should sell that lexus to me for 3k" That doesn't cut it.

I bought first land when I first came. I got a job as a host too and I'd never done it before -- I just watched other people and did what they did and asked for pointers. I didn't make much but I made enough. When I was ready to move on I sold my first land and bought other land. I went around and collected freebies and wore freebies for about a month or two until i had enough money to buy clothes and other cool stuff.

I don't think SL is very newbie friendly at all but I also don't think your argument is all that valid.

Noob's POV
Mia Winthorpe Pirttihirmu Join date: 2 Apr 2006 Posts: 128	04-06-2006 01:53 From: Jonas Pierterson If you still read this again, try gaming or hosting. If you enjoy the games or parties, then being paid to participate and enhance the experience for others is only a bonus! Thanks for the suggestion, and those are, indeed, the kind of jobs I have considered. They seem like great fun also, but unfortunately, being a noob (less than a week), I wouldn't know how to do any of it. They all require some kind of experience in hosting etc. and for a reason, I'm sure. I've tried to observe some hosts everywhere I go, and their job seems so complicated I feel very discouraged...lol. Managing scripts and all... Mia
Eep Quirk Absolutely Relative Join date: 15 Dec 2004 Posts: 1,211	04-06-2006 02:24 From: Jopsy Pendragon Hmmm.... I thought one of the purposes of SL's free basic accounts was to allow tourists freedom to explore SecondLife. Some obviously do more than just tour once and leave, but I'm certain a non-trivial number of basic accounts are used once or only a few times and then forgotten. The difference being: an AW tourist doesn't get an account (that can build, have an inventory, etc), unlike an SL basic free account.
Margaret Mfume I.C. Join date: 30 Dec 2004 Posts: 2,492	04-06-2006 08:39 From: Mia Winthorpe I noticed, yesterday when I was browsing through classifieds, visiting each site, talking to landlords, just as hard work as in RL, except the landlords were much nicer in-world As are the people, in general. You, as well as anyone esle who happens along, can freely use my land to relax, build, or hang out with friends while your finding your own way. I admit I am not so welcoming and accomodating irl. From: Mia Winthorpe I'm taking part in one, to be able to support myself and reach one of the goals I started playing SL for, although I hear it takes a long time, years even, even if I take that class. As irl, much depends on your aptitude and the effort you are willing to put in. Unlike furthering your education irl, though, people (not LL) have provided you with the tools at no cost and at the convenience of your own schedule (using the tutorials). From: Mia Winthorpe By reading the forums and ppl whining there? sigh Do you often formulate your opinions based on anonymous forum posters and whiners? From: Mia Winthorpe Because people feel comfortable telling me I should spend my money and game experience according to THEIR expectations and building up THEIR finances. Which of the following is your preference? - Treat others the way you wish to be treated. - Poor behavior on the part of others is a model for and justification of one's own behavior. You invited comments by posting here and the responses are not commands. For the most part, people have provided you with information about your options rather than told you what to do. That you weren't shown how to achieve the things you want immediately and at no cost is not telling you how you should spend your money. I have described how to get away from rl, relax and enjoy SL without spending a penny. It is my choice to earn no money here and carve a place for SL in my entertainment budget. It was LL who set up the structure for people to profit from their efforts and made no requirement upon them to reinvest their earnings. They market that aspect of SL quite heartily. I can't find the detour around LL which puts me on a path open to criticizing those who have taken them up on it. You're willing to put forth effort and opportunities for learning and growth abound. I am sure you will do well and create an SL for yourself which satisfies. The journey is better than having it all anyway. Good luck to you. _____________________ hush
Enabran Templar Capitalist Pig Join date: 26 Aug 2004 Posts: 4,506	04-06-2006 09:50 From: Mia Winthorpe I've played TSO, to me, SL seemed like 3D TSO- The next generation. I do like working for my money, and feeling of achievement. Work in TSO was a drag, just sitting down, reading, or clicking things to make money. Boring, in every way. Boring because it wasn't real. There was no value being created, nothing special or productive came out of the work. It was just jumping through hoops. SL is different because you can create real value and easily exchange it for other real value. That reality is a cornerstone of the platform's success. From: Mia Winthorpe Just because I don't want to become a stripper or a hker (seems to be majority of work offered in classifieds), doesn't mean I'm not willing to work for my bucks. I actually have a business idea, but I'm afraid it's going to take a long time to realize it. I want the land and a house to start up my business in peace, experiment with stuff, without having to worry about clothes falling off at some point, and people getting their strip show I never wanted to give. And yes..to build my own little nest Phht, please. The strippers and escorts and hookers are the dullards of the SL economy and while they may make a bit of coin, there's plenty more to aspire to here. Glad you don't want to emulate that. As to the rest, good for you for taking your time. There's a lot to learn about here and I always advise aspiring business people do exactly what you're doing: Grab some land, dick around doing personal stuff and just have a good time. Just go into all of it knowing that, whatever it is you'll be wanting, you will have to pay your own way. The market will dictate what the fairest price will be for that and you will determine how much you value the resulting product. Good luck! _____________________ From: Hiro Pendragon Furthermore, as Second Life goes to the Metaverse, and this becomes an open platform, Linden Lab risks lawsuit in court and [attachment culling] will, I repeat WILL be reverse in court.** Second Life Forums: Who needs Reason when you can use bold tags?
Vivianne Draper Registered User Join date: 15 Sep 2005 Posts: 1,157	04-06-2006 10:21 From: Mia Winthorpe I just started playing a few days ago, with the intention of updating my basic account to a premium one, in order to purchase land, have a home and start my little business. I was also going to have a friend join me, and buy land together to build something together. Seeing the state of things, I'm not so sure about that anymore. I know noobs can by "First Land" or something similar, and I went to check the places. Most of the time I landed on someone's porch, or nearby. Once an owner of one of the houses nearby even teleported on me. Well, I figured "First land" isn't for me, and started checking Land sales. To my horror, I found the 512 m2 piece of land cost 4 k minimum, and even those were squeezed btw. other houses, malls etc. How on earth is a noob going to afford buying land and a house when they first come here, without any means of getting money, besides the allowance from Linden. I tried free slots, which don't give terribly much, money chairs were a bore, and I sure as heck don't want to take part in a competition for a dancer with the least clothes on, and unfortunately am not able to design pretty clothes yet to start business (taking a class later on). Are people speculating with land, hoarding money they get from it and not using them in-game, in order to exchange them to USD to benefit their RL finances? Isn't this supposed to be a game to relax from RL worries and to have fun in? IMHO, it's not the 50 L basic account holders get that makes the situation as it is. That basic money was what enabled me to start off buying essential stuff from vendors (female vanity) etc... See: noobs do circulate the money they get... unless they have to hoard it to save for basic needs, such as own land. Having incentives, such as the money, might help basic account holders see more of what this game has to offer and decide to pay for the premium account. It's not like the game has missions you can run to get money from...or does it? I don't know if this ranting has a point, but just thought I'd offer a noob's POV on things, and hoping to remind ppl that this is just a game to have fun in and let others enjoy it as well. Game not meant for personal gain IRL. Mia So what I hear you saying is that you don't like what you can afford so other people should come down on their prices so that you can afford what you like. That's kind of like saying "well I've only got the skills to work at McDonalds and they don't pay me much so you should sell that lexus to me for 3k" That doesn't cut it. I bought first land when I first came. I got a job as a host too and I'd never done it before -- I just watched other people and did what they did and asked for pointers. I didn't make much but I made enough. When I was ready to move on I sold my first land and bought other land. I went around and collected freebies and wore freebies for about a month or two until i had enough money to buy clothes and other cool stuff. I don't think SL is very newbie friendly at all but I also don't think your argument is all that valid.

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