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Hideki Okina
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Join date: 24 Aug 2006
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09-07-2006 08:04
I keep toying with the idea of buying property.

I'm wondering about AzureIslands.

One thing that turns me off about them is that their website doesn't seem to work. It's slightly outdated, and is quite confusing.

On the other hand, they have a couple of great properties that I really like.

Who can comment on their experience with azureislands.com? Are they fair? Helpful to first time buyers? Is there a reason I shouldn't buy property on one of their islands?
Debbie Buchanan
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Azure Islands
09-07-2006 08:14
I have land there and am very pleased. I've had the land with them for probably 6 months now and they are responsive and a pleasure to deal with.

They are extremely helpful and fair. Look me up in game if you'd like to discuss farther, but I'd highly recommend them.
Desmond Shang
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09-07-2006 08:21
I'm a competitor, I suppose, and honestly *I* think that it's a first class operation.

I've never rented there, but I've heard lots of good things.
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09-07-2006 08:34
I've been renting there for a while now - rented my first property in Nov 05, and since then been renting more or less land depending on what I needed at the time, both in their residential and commercial zoned sims, and I've always been happy with the service and never had a reason to complain.

I have no idea about the resell value of the properties there, I prefer pure renting as it's easier to just switch to another plot on a whim (and yes it's slightly more expensive).
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George Flan
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Great Place To Live
09-07-2006 08:39
I have been there for six months maybe a little more. I am totally satisfied with them. I love my location and have or share 9120 sqm. I have had total support from the administration. Nexus Nash and Adam Zaius have always been able to solve any problems I have had and they have been very very few. I highly recommend AzureIslands to anyone.
Hideki Okina
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09-07-2006 10:08
Wow! It's good that everyone has such great things to say about them. Maybe I'll buy my property, then.

Here's what I find confusing: first, some people (and their own website) implies that I'm renting the land. Why am I not buying it? In game, the land I'm looking at has a buy button. I expect that I'll pay a big fee for buying, then a small fee for "tier maintenance" based on how much land I have. Don't I own my land? Will I pay bot Azure and LindenLabs a tier fee, or just Azure?

Thanks, ya'll.
Kavai Onizuka
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09-07-2006 10:09
You pay Azure every cost involved from purchase cost to tier.
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09-07-2006 10:22
They pay tier to LL, you pay tier to them.

The Azure Island guys are as Desmond said a first class operation. I've rented land with them since December and their customer service has always been quite good for me.
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09-07-2006 10:27
The land on private islands that is "sold" is deeded to a group and at that point that group has all the ownership rights as they would on the mainland, maybe sans selling the land (which changed in 1.12). So you own the land in a technical/capability sense. However, you have to "rent" this from the island owners which means, as someone just stated, you pay the island owners who in turn pay the 200$USD a month tier to LL for the island. Instead of being charged via LL, you have to pay the island owner for the tier. But other than that, you have all the other ownership rights as you would normally.

And yes, Azure Islands FTW.

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Hideki Okina
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09-07-2006 10:28
Awesome; I think I understand now. Thanks for your help, everybody.
Clubside Granville
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09-07-2006 10:28
My rental period in Aquila is coming to a close (since I am getting rid of most of my land in Second Life) but I also recommend Azure Islands. My area was connected to a protected road that they gladly linked to my driveway. I rented in residential sim that allowed 2X Prims (through protected land the Azure Islands group allowed you to have more prims for use though a higher cost) right on the waterfront with excellent ground textures (particularly the sand). Most of my neighbors were there before my rental period and will be there as I leave.

As for the "rental" debate, some places allow you to "buy" land since the 1.12 group tools. If you "own" private island land that means they allow you to resell it. I'm sure there will be places like this and also rentals like I used. Ultimately the island owner is paying Linden Lab to "own" the island and your rental fees help offset the owner's tier payments. Under the new system, yes, you can seemingly "own" land without paying tier to Linden Lab and buy/sell land on private islands, but you will have to check the Covenant or relevant notecards to see what your rights are with the land. If you don't have the ability to re-sell it, though, I'd say technically you are a renter.
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09-07-2006 11:03
From: Hideki Okina
Here's what I find confusing: first, some people (and their own website) implies that I'm renting the land. Why am I not buying it? In game, the land I'm looking at has a buy button. I expect that I'll pay a big fee for buying, then a small fee for "tier maintenance" based on how much land I have. Don't I own my land? Will I pay bot Azure and LindenLabs a tier fee, or just Azure?


To clarify what I wrote earlier - Azure Islands offers both a "buy" model where you pay upfront for the land, and then pay a low weekly tier payement to AI, and a "rent" model, where you don't pay upfront for the land, but pay a higher weekly tier payement. (They also have a "rent2own" model where the first tier payements are higher and enable you to "buy" the land, paying in a few installements instead of one big payement.) If you have a look on their website (azureislands.com), it will list all the details when you select a particular parcel for view.
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Juro Kothari
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09-07-2006 11:08
I've rented from Azure Islands for a long time (well over a year) and I've had no issues with them whatsoever. I love how they spend time to put in nicely detailed infrastructure - not something you find with many competitors. They also take time to terraform vs. just producing a grid of islands.

I think my favorite feature is the billing reminder notifications. I forget about my rent *all the time*, yet I get these nice little reminders telling me how much time is left before my term is up.

I highly recommend them.
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Debbie Buchanan
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09-07-2006 11:39
Over the weekend when my account was hacked my "first land" in Bramadoli was sold off by the hacker. Luckily since my large landholding is in Azure Islands, the hacker was unable to do anything but revert the land back to the Azure Island Group. As soon as I could get in game I contacted Adam Zaius and he fixed my land so that it would not be sold and is giving me time to get the account straightened out. Had that land been Linden Land it would have been gone and the proceeds probably permanently lost. That's customer service. that you don't get from Linden Labs. Azure Islands admin are great people to do business with.
Hideki Okina
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09-07-2006 12:26
Say I buy from an island sub-leasing agent like Azure. When I want to sell my land, what do I do? Just sell it, and get my purchase money back?

Sometimes I think the average cost of land is around $6/m^2, sometimes around $4/m^2. I don't want to argue that (unless I'm REALLY off), so let's say it's $5/m^2. If you look at the Azure site, they claim to have made available 750,000 square meters of new land in the last 30 days. If we stick with my (admittedly disputable) $5/m^2 figure, that's L$3.75 million, or about $14,000 in 30 days. Plus the tier fees, which are slightly higher than LL's fees.

How valuable is my land, really, if they just keep making more of it? What stops the Azure folks from realizing they want to send their kids to college, or buy a Ferrari, or something, and flooding the market with more land?
Hideki Okina
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Is it Ocean View?
09-07-2006 12:27
Nobody has flamed me yet, so I'll assume all of my stupid land questions aren't that stupid and there really isn't a document that I should've read to have answers to these things.

I think that "a sim" is a 256 x 256 metre piece of land. Sometimes this is called an "island"; one island is 65536 square metres. It's also one whole server that simulates the world; the world is distributed across many such servers and this is "the grid". Are my definitions of "sim" and "island" and "grid" correct?

Thing is, such land may or may not be an island. The next server over (relatively, in SL space) might be simulating some water, might not be turned on yet (so it looks like water in-game), or might be land.

If I want to buy land that looks like it's at the edge of a sim, and presently provides an ocean view, how do I know that it will stay there? What if someone comes along and sets up a new sim, and runs it, and creates a junkyard? Or a strip club, or some other blight? How do I know if my property is really ocean front permanently, and not headed for trouble?

In real life, I could ask the county what the next plat over is zoned for, or if there are pending building permits. The owner must put up a sign that says "Pending Permit Application" when they apply for a license to change the land. Is there an SL analogy to that disclosure process?
Hervy Rikichi
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how to tell
09-07-2006 12:58
From: someone

If I want to buy land that looks like it's at the edge of a sim, and presently provides an ocean view, how do I know that it will stay there? What if someone comes along and sets up a new sim, and runs it, and creates a junkyard? Or a strip club, or some other blight? How do I know if my property is really ocean front permanently, and not headed for trouble?


the easiest way to tell if your oceanfront is really oceanfront: Does it have sand? If so, its really oceanfront. If not, another sim will eventually connect to it.
Desmond Shang
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09-07-2006 13:06
From: Hideki Okina
Nobody has flamed me yet, so I'll assume all of my stupid land questions aren't that stupid and there really isn't a document that I should've read to have answers to these things.

I think that "a sim" is a 256 x 256 metre piece of land. Sometimes this is called an "island"; one island is 65536 square metres. It's also one whole server that simulates the world; the world is distributed across many such servers and this is "the grid". Are my definitions of "sim" and "island" and "grid" correct?

Thing is, such land may or may not be an island. The next server over (relatively, in SL space) might be simulating some water, might not be turned on yet (so it looks like water in-game), or might be land.

If I want to buy land that looks like it's at the edge of a sim, and presently provides an ocean view, how do I know that it will stay there? What if someone comes along and sets up a new sim, and runs it, and creates a junkyard? Or a strip club, or some other blight? How do I know if my property is really ocean front permanently, and not headed for trouble?

In real life, I could ask the county what the next plat over is zoned for, or if there are pending building permits. The owner must put up a sign that says "Pending Permit Application" when they apply for a license to change the land. Is there an SL analogy to that disclosure process?


Sim, island and grid - yes, you've got it.

Ocean views and zoning: this varies a bit. Needless to say however, most private continent owners are smart enough not to enrage their clients. There are many ways that it's handled:

- Some places 'checkerboard' their sims, so they all have maximum ocean view. You can't see sims that aren't attached along a side. Financially it's a winning strategy (people like waterfront) so I doubt you will see much change to it.

- Some places offer a preplanned continent with 'void' sims - low capacity servers that act as ocean you can actually enter. Occasionally there are some low density rentals on these, but the net effect is de-facto waterfront that you can use.

- Some places offer 'coastal rights' - it's understood that there will be more sims and rapid expansion. If a new sim takes away your coastline, you have the option to move into the new sim for free, thus keeping the water. This is what I do, incidentally. Some people really *enjoy* moving to new sims as it keeps their Second Life experience dynamic and alive.

Ultimately though, you are relying on the word of the sim owner. Look for lots of good feedback and a history of good dealings.
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Hideki Okina
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09-07-2006 14:23
Thanks to you both for helping me.

I'm not sure how I'll learn more about this game when the forums close!
Trisha Gregoire
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09-08-2006 08:32
There isn't such a disclosure as to the intent of what a sim will be when you buy it. It is up to the buyer as to what they want to do with the sim, after all, they are the ones paying $1,250US up front to buy it.

I can tell you as a private island sim owner that all plots immediately surrounding my private island cannot be sold unless I bid on it first. I have first option for all land surrounding my sim.

Oh, and it is 4 sims to a server, not one sim per server. I would ask the private island owner for the land you are looking at what their intentions are - if they intend to buy the sim next door and what they intend to do with it if they do.
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09-09-2006 04:40
From: Hideki Okina
I keep toying with the idea of buying property.

I'm wondering about AzureIslands.

One thing that turns me off about them is that their website doesn't seem to work. It's slightly outdated, and is quite confusing.

On the other hand, they have a couple of great properties that I really like.

Who can comment on their experience with azureislands.com? Are they fair? Helpful to first time buyers? Is there a reason I shouldn't buy property on one of their islands?



They are very nicely sculpted islands not a bad place to live.
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09-09-2006 09:47
From: Trisha Gregoire
Oh, and it is 4 sims to a server, not one sim per server.
Just to further clarify for others, it's:
  1. For regular sims: 1 sim per CPU, 4 sims per server
  2. For openspace (void) sims: 4 sims per CPU, 16 sims per server
I have no idea if regular and void sims are mixed on any given server. And I believe that all the servers are now Class 4 (4 CPUs per server). Previously, there were servers with only 1 or 2 CPUs.
Cocoanut Koala
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Join date: 7 Feb 2005
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09-09-2006 10:03
I've lived there since the start, before it even was private islands but was in Meins. Which is something over a year now.

The guys are very nice and the places are gorgeous, and I'm sure you would love living there.

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sanaa Delacroix
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Property availible
09-09-2006 11:04
I have a 2496sqm plot with 628prims for sale in Orion, which is apart of Azure Islands. Its a great company, and my neighborhood is beautiful. If anyone is interested just contact me in world. I will consider any reasonable offer. :)
Jonas Pierterson
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09-09-2006 11:29
I live in Orion now, on group land with good friends. Split it with the beach house elsewhere..
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