Difference between Resell and Transfer

Please can there be a difference between Resell and Transfer I know like many people you buy something and after a while stop using it and would like to pass it on FOR NO PROFIT. I understand there are some creators out there that just can't stomach the thought of you reselling their creations but sheesh can't I make a gift to someone and when I say GIFT I mean 0L's (ZERO) not 1L (think there should also be a ban on calling 1L things freebies)

It is not technically possibly to implement "transfer but not resell permissions" because there is no way to know that a transfer from a scripted vendor happened as the result of payment.

Also, transfer but no resell can be trivially circumvented by just A giving the item to B and B giving the money to A as two separate transactions. That is technically impossible to detect, as there are thousand valid reasons for B giving the money to A completely unrelated to the transfer of the item. If you put in a timelimit, they'll just wait until the timer runs.

Of course you can always ask nicely for no resells. Surprisingly many people honor lisences they have no enforced reason to honor.

You should be able to sell anything you buy. Why, because you can in RL and because this would force object creators to stay fresh with new “must haves”. Let’s face it, that’s how it works, last years dress is not cool this year, so why should I have to delete it and waste my money or just carry it around forever when I could SELL it to a newbie and have extra money to BUY something else, it helps the overall economy.

There should also be some sort of mandatory refund period for all purchases, so when I buy that thing that doesn’t work or looks like crap (not like in the picture) I can return it and buy something from someone who makes things that work or look right. It would help quality control and market competition and we would have far better choices overall.

I guess i dont quite understand how it would be impossible when u can trans no copy items what would be the diff between having trans no sell.

I think there is a huge difference between being able to resell anything you bought in RL and something you were given for free here.

In RL, you buy something once, you can sell it once, thereby getting your investment back.

Here, if you can sell something once, you can sell it 10 million times over. So you could take something that was given out for free and make thousands of dollars for it. That is the only reason that there is a "no trans" option.

It is also morally discusting (at least to me) to profit from the work of others while doing none yourself. People who sell freebies are total scum.

Ok but that is my whole point if I bought something and wanted to GIVE it to someone that means i would not longer have the org. and I wouldnt be getting profit for it. If they could set it up so that you have an option to TRAN an object yet the FOR SALE amount section didnt Highlight. so u had object options of MOD/COPY/TRAN/RESELL. so all inworld objects now would be unchecked for resell and no trans then future objects u make would you would then pic if u wanted the next owner to have the option of trans OR resell or even both. I made a PROP 2600 about the topic so if u like the idea please vote. again this has nothing to do with making profit off of someone else

How does the game know you're selling an object rather than giving someone a gift?

it would know because if the resell options wasnt selected u could only tranfer it..now if someone wanted to give u money after the transfer. that would be up to them. but if the resell option is selected then you are allowed to set a price on the object

Virtually every scripted vendor in the grid transfers your purchase to you in a separate operation from your paying them money. Networked vendors often use delivery scripts that aren't even in the same *sim* as you when you pay them, and in some cases they may not even be owned by the same person. There is no way for Linden Labs to know that the object you recieved from a networked vendor script was sent to you because you paid a scripted vendor five seconds before.

guess that would mean new scripts, but i know myself i usually check before I buy if something is trans/copy/mod. no matter the vendor and no matter what i see in the ad. and as with most new things it would take bit for changes to happen and run smoothly.

Is this concerning people not liking the idea of folks selling freebie copyable items, thus making profit off a freebie, and undercutting sellers who offer similar items for a cost? I guess I can kind of see that. But it just sounds like an opportunist taking advantage of the system, which at least is being more creative than sitting on a camping chair. Not going to defend the practise, I just see why it exists. As far as a no copy object being sold, I see no problem with that. You bought it, you own it, do with it what you want. Give it away, sell it cheap, sell it for ten times what you bought it for. This is indeed what you can do in that 'RL place' and why should SL be any different? If a manufacturer/ store owner is miffed because Joe Blow resells one of their items for a huge profit, I would ask "why"? Not making enough off a sale, raise your prices. Your squeemish because the item being resold means that the purchaser of that resold item wont be buying a new fresh copy of that item from you? Then the world of business is too harsh for you. I doubt Nissan gets totally pissed when somebody sells their used Altima to their next door neighbor. Business is business, im not sure what the problem is here. Id be happy to listen to the reasons behind this line of thinking, maybe Im missing something.

Can you explain how new scripts would help? The problem isn't in the vendors, the problem is that there's no way to tell a script that gives you a free object for free from a script that gives you a free object after you have paid another script.

This is something that is frequently brought up, but it's simply not possible to solve this with software.

ok I can see this is kinda going off track here... very simple when u create and object you have the option of making it mod/copy/trans or NO mod/NO copy/NO trans what i am asking for is that you ALSO have the option of RESELL so it could be mod/copy/tran/resell if u make an object resell u can SELL it (the next owner) if u make a object NO resell u cant sell it (the next owner) it but you CAN trans to someone (IF trans if selected) simple no scripts no vendor no undercutting all i want is to be able to GIVE AWAY things to people that would normally be notrans/resell im not making any money by doing this..simply cleaning out my inventory and not throwing away something I paid for. you knwo that pair of Lime green biker shorts you wore for that one event but never wore again and just dont have the heart to throw out cuse you paid 100L for them.

We've been discussing this. Have you been listening? IT'S NOT FEASIBLE.

You paid very little for the item *because* there isn't a used clothing market, or swapping among friends, taking sales away from the designer.

In RL things wear out, and used clothing stores are by the nature of their inventory harder to shop, so your used clothing is worth less. That's not true in SL.

I do wish there was a return function sellers could enable. That'd allow transfer only back to the seller, for refunds, with a return fee to encourage careful selection and not overwhelm the seller with returns from browsers and single-event users.

You have? Where? Guess I wasn't listening I mostly found where people went back and forth about notrans/trans on clothing and why it was good/bad. I figured this forum was for suggestions and that is what im doing. If it has been said before guess i'm not the only one that would like to see if a change is possible. If not a resell/no resell option then maybe something else.

what about this "no resell" forbid to someone without resell right to used a script to give the item? on top of preventing the sell tickbox.

Try Argent's reply, post #2.

That would work for most cases though there are still workarounds, and it would mean that you couldn't put the object in a freebie distributor ("click vendor".

if you are the creator you could

If you only want the object distributed from your vendors, you can already set it "no transfer".

Many groups and communities create collections of useful freebies for their members, with distributors on their lands. These are genuinely free distributors... you click on them, you get the latest collection. Some of them have a HUD or offline database so you don't get a duplicate copy if there's no new items.

yeah the idea sounds good but time to implement, costs, etc just don't seem to work right merely cause a content creator is worried about reselling of thier items cause LL won't allow you to set something no copy and no trans. If you want something not to be resold then just set it no trans and leave it copy.

you can set something nocopy notrans
just set the shape nocopy and the scripts notransn if the scripts are as important as the shape, you got your nocopy notrans

Don't get me started on that either. I don't like that as well. Seems a shady to me. I know it can be done though.