Prevent "non-payment info" avatars from being able to attach things

Without going into specific details - it would be very desirable if "non-payment info on file" avatars were NOT allowed to attach things to themselves - (apart from hair and shoes maybe?? Or maybe ONLY very small things? I don't know how possible it would be!).

A lot of people would agree, i'm sure, that this would make SL a safer and better place.

This wont work - theres a lot of Unverified people who are normal , contributiong members of Secondlife. Youd be harming all of those to deal with griefers.

...and those good Unverified people far outnumber the griefers. This would be like throwing the baby out with a miniscule amount of bathwater.

I cannot support such an idea at all. A significant portion of my customers are players with "no payment info" status, and I can see no logical reason to block them from being able to use my products. It just doesn't make any sense to me.

No, can't support this. I make my avatars low priced so that anyone (yes, including unverifieds) can get them. Hampering SL like this.... just... please, no. :>

Yes - same here - BUT - it's really not that big a deal to register payment details with SL - or failing that LL should implement some other way of verifying people's real identity.
It would make SL safer and better for everyone.

I completely agree. You know how many times I didn't make a purchase because I couldn't log on, TP to a store, or the requests went stale? Not to mention my reluctance to buy more, because I'm tired of all the problems when the grid is stressed or when griefers ruin all the fun.

I assure you, letting non-payers suck up resources and grief is losing you far more business. Most of those who are not registered aren't because they don't have to be. If their use of SL was reasonably restricted, many would go ahead and do so.

I agree. It just sucks that if you buy a piece of land for like $300 (no Lindens here, be aware of that), you can't go there because of lack of resources... It happend to me and to friends of mine. Buying stuff can be horrible, not being able to pay or serious trouble obtaining the item. And even if you do get it, rezzing it will be pain! I lost good items like that.
the way I see it, is that if you don't want to add to the SL enviroment, you should not be able to log in at certain times. Or get an own region to have fun in... Registered users should always be treated as royalty. They want to pay for their fun, and it would be bad if that can't happen because of lag, grievers or noobs that take up resources....

Maybe a "noob" Wednesday, or something? I just hate it to not be able to go home or go shopping because the TP is down again....

Sorry, I respectfully disagree with you. This is an old and tired subject, and has been rehashed forever. I cannot believe that it would have a noticeable impact for the most part.

What's an old and tired subject? Read my 1st post - it's about 'non-payment info' members attaching things - NOT about restricting their use of SL in a more general sense. It's a practical and useful suggestion!

It makes SL a safer and better place for anyone… except for the none payers. You are making a “lower class” of them. Placing them aside the rest. That is a no go for me.

You can keep repeating that it is a practical and useful suggestion, but it seems most don’t agree with it. As do I, for my own reasons.

Morwen.

Actually, many people agree, including myself. I think she makes a great suggestion.

Linden Labs is not a charity, and it's sad so many feel entitled to its services. Linden Labs is a business. And Second Life is the product of people's labor, creativity, innovation and risk. It's not making a "lower class" to expect that people who use SL give something back to those that are creating it.

Basic accounts don't pay money directly to LL, only premiums do and those basics that own a private sim.

I don't agree with the proposal, but am very much in favour of reducing the benefits of unverifieds accounts which are currently on par, or better, than paying users.

Providing payment information doesn't cost anything and - as the breakdown by country shows - is something the large majority is able to do. For those few that really can't, you can make exceptions.

You are right. Sorry. I should have talked about "non-payment info" users.

Morwen.

while I still think this is a bad idea -

Id like to point out you can put weapon scripts in hair.

So the only way to make it so unverifieds cant "attack" people is to allow NO ATTACHMENTS at all.

I think they meant "hair" as in that glob of stuff done in the appearence sliders, not the prim stuff.

I'm not big on segregating the unverifieds either. I've met quite a few who are great people, and verifieds who are jerks. instituting a Caste Syatem is another one those RL traditions I don't want to see here.

thats not hair -

thats a disaster masquerading as hair.

How cruel to force the unverifieds to wear only that.

This misses the point though - noones talking about castes or class or any other nonsense like that.
Verifying who you are in some way costs nothing - obviously not everyone is going to have some form of payment-related info (like Paypal) so perhaps an alternative way of verifying could be used - one way that some online organisations / forums use is to insist upon a 'proper' email address - ie. the email address associated with a person's Internet Service Provider or perhaps their place of work (ie. NOT hotmail, yahoo or other untraceable email addresses).

It's very easy for people who don't suffer at the hands of griefers to start evangelising about 'caste systems' and the like, but there's a LOT of idiots out there....A LOT!!!

sure you are.

Suppose this idea takes off.

Your telling people who are unverified that they cant wear attachments.

They can not look like everyone else - nor can they participate like others.


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As long as Linden Labs is going to have unverifieds, Linden Labs restricting their activities is basically discriminating against some of their customers.

This is why they allow you to ban people based on their verified status from your land. The idea is you have to police you own content. That Linden Labs isnt responsible for the content of secondlife.

Players discriminating against other players based on Verified status makes sense as a proof of age argument.

Linden labs chose this path very carefully when they decided to let unverified people onto the grid in the first place.

What's the problem with getting verified? People can and do cause trouble all the time in SL thanks to the ease with which people can just create account after account after account with absolutely no traceability.
Verification need not be some barrier that people can't surmount - indeed it's already not a big a deal to let LL have some payment details - it costs nothing!

I agree with you mostly. I think some verification should be necessary, in one form or another. But as long as The Providers allow unverified accounts then they should have the same general access to the game's features as we do. I'd like to see something on the order of Unverified Limited Time Trial,Verified Free Account, and Premium.

Not everyone lives in the North America or in Europe. What may be easy for you, may not be for everyone.

Morwen.

Linden Labs set up Unverified accounts. Not the Unverified people. It was Linden Labs bright idea. Expecting them to hurt people who merely used the system they set up? Thats pretty rotten.

Supposedly its hard to verify in some parts of the world, etc. But I think thats a secondary Issue. Is plenty of unverifieds who are from the US and places where they can verify.

I was against unverifed accounts when the idea came up. But they added them. So as long as the Lindens are going to have those accounts I will resist any attempt to make them less than normal accounts.

However, People who ban them from the adult content on their land? Im all for that.

this suggestion is pointless and without value and cannot be achieved.