Traffic converted to Stipend

Can I propose that as well as your rating, for stipend to be calculated according to the traffic on your parcel?

Please go to https://secure-web2.secondlife.com/vote/ Proposal #2320 to vote on this.

Iwana

I think this used to be the way SL worked, but they discontinued that. In that case it's unlikely they'll reverse their decision.

There used to be a stipend for traffic however the lindens abolished it partially as an economic measure and partially because it was being gamed by casinos with camping chairs. If they brought it back (unlikely) gaming would be an even bigger issue then it was when they abolished it since many more places have camping chairs now.

NO, NO, NO, NO, a thousand times NO!!!!!

There are already too many camping chairs that make sims unusable. There are way too many people who own land in a sim where a 512sqm casino blocks the use of all other owners because they have zombies constantly on their land.

There is already enough artificially inflated "traffic". Virtually all of the high traffic numbers are lies now. If you go back to paying them for it, it will become an even bigger problem.

Sorry, Iwana, no insult intended, but this is a HORRIBLE proposal.

Seconded.

My proposal was away from sim limitatons. However, maybe instead of having "40 avies per sim" limits, there should be "1 avi per N metres". Therefore, if people want crowds on their land, they need to have big parcels.

For example, if a parcel is X metres squared, that parcel may hold Y avatars.

Third'ed

This is all we need (sarcastic) covert traffic to stipend and we can have every person slamming free money crap on every sq. metre of land to get a couple extra lins. This is a ridiculous and SL damaging proposal.

Cheers

Umm, let me guess. You just bought some camping chair scripts?

Wow, my first quoted post, lol! (I know, I just got lucky and caught it early. Someone else would have said it if I hadn't)

I want to put a caveat in here though: I will support this proposal 100% IF SL bans all camping chairs/zombies/ANY way that landowners can artificially pad the numbers. If it is TRUE Traffic and not a wildly inflated number, then it should be allowed.

Of course, I expect that to happen when a certain place is as cold as it is here in PA right now.

This exact system used to exist - it was called the dwell bonus.

It was removed because

a) camping chairs became a complete nightmare (forget using camping chairs to boost traffic to your club - you could run camping chairs on their own for a profit!!), and

b) the people who get the most dwell were large landowners who also tended to be generally rich; because of this most of them had nothing to do with the extra L$ but cash it out for US$, which seriously depressed the market for L$, and made it harder for everyone else to earn their land fees back.

On the other hand, it did make rentals cheaper.

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The traffic bonus could easily be reinstated without promoting camping chairs, but making it based on the number of premium accounts on your land, not on all accounts.

I mean, Christ, one of the reasons the traffic bonus was pulled was because of camping chairs, and pulling it has done NOTHING to reduce camping... all it's done is kill a lot of the builds that attracted people who weren't on free accounts and desperate for a few Lindens an hour. Bringing back a traffic bonus based on paying customers would make SL a better place, not a worse one.

Hm, you actually might be right there. It may perhaps be (in many ways) that we just need to avoid allowing basic, unpaid accounts to have an effect on how things add up. And I'm saying this as an unpaid member myself.

Come to think of it, if dwell bonus is given strictly according to paid-member avatars, it could lead to some interesting developments. Most notably there would be incentive for people to set up special areas with access restricted to paid members, as every member there would be effectively paying the landowner to enter, rather than just adding to the sim lag (and filling the sim up so as to have no room for more visitors). These regions would be better funded, and could use the funds to pay for attractions that help them compete for the attention of paid members. Members, then, would have an increasing amount of reason to upgrade their basic accounts. If the effect of that is strong enough, it just might help LL in the long run.

Wouldn't it be great if that would work? Once again I'm an unpaid member myself, but I just might feel motivated to change that if there were an interesting growth in 'premium regions'.

Personally... I think "traffic" needs to go away completely.


Change the big map: Put only one green dot in the center of a region to indicate 1 or more people. (Leave the mini-map as it is now.)


While dwell income existed, I felt trapped in my parcels... if I wasn't there to play host, I might lose out on dwell! Gasp! The horror! Once dwell income vanished, I felt far less "house bound" as it were, and have rather enjoyed not feeling that absurd compulsion.

The first time I saw this suggestion it was a basic account member making it, and I was a basic account member myself, and I still thought it was a great idea.

I have mixed feelings about the idea of "premium regions", I'll have to think about that.

Really? My main reaction to it was to put free demo vehicles and other cool stuff on my land. I've already taken some of that down since then, and I'm reconsidering whether I want to keep burning the prims for my skydiving stuff and airstrip. I've already removed even the truncated "backwoods airstrip" from the Coonspiracy because of all the problems of flying on the mainland, even though some people were still using it, because I got the notifications when people rezzed the "coonplane" and it went off world.

The cool thing of all this was coming home and finding people hanging out even though I wasn't there.

I'm just curious, now that "Dwell" no longer exists, do Camp items and Money Trees profit a land owner? I understand that somehow this affects Search (when Search actually works, =p) in that more traffic means your area gets a higher listing or something -- but I'm just not clear on whether land owners getting any kind of specific L reward for having people simply visit and spend time on their land.


I know Camp and Trees bring in people so if you are selling stuff or running a club or casino, it's bringing in potential clients, so it can be seen as a promotional gimmick to bring in new warm bodies. But aside from that, what if any, is the reward of Camp and Money Trees for those hosting them?

I own Island parcels, and am going to build a little dance club on one of them. So what, if anything, would I get by putting in a few camp work stations or dance pads/poles?

Curious
Bliss Crimson

You get absolutely nothing anymore except for the fictitious "popularity" rating.

I wouldn't use camp chairs/dance pads in a business at all. Many people (me included) will TP away if we see them.

I think people are forgetting what all went down. (or are too new)

Dwell payments werent removed becuase of camping chairs.

They were removed becuase of inflation.

Dwell, etc, was already an issue before camping chairs hit the scene.


For residents - the best possible solution is to remove the traffic numbers. This would completely end camping chairs. Period. Nearly overnight.

For LL? Traffic chairs are only a technical problem when the grid population gets over 30k residents.

Since they no longer pay out dwell - they dont really need to care if One resident pays other residents to sit on his property.

Traffic helps LL by inflating the number online , and it inflates the total number of accounts. Business's and people outside Second Life have no way of knowing the number of unique players who own those accounts.

That was the argument given, and a lot of us suggested reducing the stipend instead. And cutting dwell didn't change the inflation situation. So... they reduced the stipend anyway. And then they put the "dwell" money back into the economy through Supply Linden.

And, no, I don't believe they were so naive as to believe that dwell was causing ithe inflation.

hmm we told them getting rid of dwell wouldnt end camping chairs.

we were told it was inflation - as was the alter stipend cut (which they originally didnt want to do).

I suspect one would find more support for traffic being converted to a tax than a payment.

Then builds such as Free Parks would cease to exist.

If they haven't already.

Indeed. And I'm not convinced getting rid of traffic will, either. Next we'll have people wanting to take the green dots off the world map.

And we told them it wasn't going to be enough to stop inflation.
Don't say that. I would have said LL wasn't naive enough to do something like that, but I'm not so sure any more.

I say have some kind of kickback from traffic, but ONLY based on the number of premium accounts on the land.