confermation button by paying money
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Aluher Rehula
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Join date: 26 Mar 2007
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07-12-2007 06:12
lately, i see many complaints about avatars losing money when they accept an item from others. it seems that there are scripts that allow money to be transfered without an approval from the avatar. could there be a button to approve of conferm a moneytransfer, every time money is to be payed? in that way grievers can't steal money.
also about the stealing of accounts: changing the password only after accepting this in a e-mail!
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Morwen Bunin
Everybody needs a hero!
Join date: 8 Dec 2005
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07-12-2007 06:17
If I understand it well they just change the default to "Deny" in the payment window... so if you go for accept it is choice you make.
And e-mail is too insecure for handling passwords.
Morwen.
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Aluher Rehula
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07-12-2007 06:31
From: Morwen Bunin If I understand it well they just change the default to "Deny" in the payment window... so if you go for accept it is choice you make.
And e-mail is too insecure for handling passwords.
Morwen. (sorry about my english... difficult to exactly write what i mean) there ars scripts that take money when you wear an item containing this script. no way to accept of decline this transfer. so my proposel is to add a button to accept or decline an moneytransfer. just an extra step in the payment protocol. and about the passwordhandling: not changing the password by emial, just confermation to allow the change of the password. almost all systems do this, only SL not. now when someone else has hacked your account, he can change the password without your approval. you only get a mail about the change of the password.
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Lindal Kidd
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Join date: 26 Jun 2007
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07-12-2007 09:11
For more details on this script, including its legitimate uses, bad uses, and how to avoid getting burned by it, see this thread: /327/ed/196876/1.html
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Aluher Rehula
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07-13-2007 19:12
From: Lindal Kidd For more details on this script, including its legitimate uses, bad uses, and how to avoid getting burned by it, see this thread: /327/ed/196876/1.htmlto avoid getting burned by it, is for LL to add a button to aprove or deny a transaction: "Are you shure: yes or no"
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DoteDote Edison
Thinks Too Much
Join date: 6 Jun 2004
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07-13-2007 19:32
From: Aluher Rehula there ars scripts that take money when you wear an item containing this script. no way to accept of decline this transfer. so my proposel is to add a button to accept or decline an moneytransfer. just an extra step in the payment protocol. I don't believe this is true. Requests for PERMISSION_DEBIT always pop-up a dialog with the "Accept" or "Deny" options.
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RobbyRacoon Olmstead
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07-13-2007 19:49
From: Aluher Rehula ...there ars scripts that take money when you wear an item containing this script. no way to accept of decline this transfer... I don't believe this is possible. If you know of an actual example of such a script, then send it to a Linden immediately, as I'm sure they'd take immediate action. Otherwise, I don't believe such a thing exists.
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Aluher Rehula
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07-13-2007 19:57
From: DoteDote Edison I don't believe this is true. Requests for PERMISSION_DEBIT always pop-up a dialog with the "Accept" or "Deny" options. never had this myself, but on a dutch forum several people warned about an avatar offering a gift, after accepting and wearing this gift, some or all of their money was stolen. And isn't it better to be safe than sorry? we're still talking about money (L$) here, so why not build in a better security. it's just an extra button: "are you shure? yes or no"
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Nargus Asturias
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07-13-2007 20:57
The said scam is very possible and very easy script. Due to the fact that the script requested permission Debit will keep the permission for until it is reset. So, if the scammer give you an object with script that send him money. And somehow, ask you to Accept the permission once, the object can then warppos away with fully permissive script allow them to get as much money from you for as long as the object's live.
This thing probably not work long on small private sims since it's locked within the small area and sim owner can always return all suspicious objects. But in wide open mainland with lots of open water......
I agree with the idea that there should be a list displaying all options with requested debit permission, with an option to turn off the permission (probably result in the object get returned, like canceling of keyboard permission).
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RobbyRacoon Olmstead
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07-13-2007 21:31
From: Nargus Asturias The said scam is very possible and very easy script As described originally, it is not at all possible. From: Nargus Asturias Due to the fact that the script requested permission Debit will keep the permission for until it is reset. So, if the scammer give you an object with script that send him money. And somehow, ask you to Accept the permission once, the object can then warppos away with fully permissive script allow them to get as much money from you for as long as the object's live. That's a seperate issue. No less of a pain, but different than described in this thread, which stated that no permission was ever asked. From: Nargus Asturias This thing probably not work long on small private sims since it's locked within the small area and sim owner can always return all suspicious objects. But in wide open mainland with lots of open water...... I agree with the idea that there should be a list displaying all options with requested debit permission, with an option to turn off the permission (probably result in the object get returned, like canceling of keyboard permission). Yes, I agree that some overhauling of that system is definitely in order, and I think that LL has heard that message loud and clear finally... Or at least, they are willing to accept patches from open-source devs who have heard it  I hope to see improvements to this system someday in the not-to-distant future. .
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Draco18s Majestic
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07-14-2007 20:52
From: RobbyRacoon Olmstead That's a seperate issue. No less of a pain, but different than described in this thread, which stated that no permission was ever asked. Clearly two things are known: 1) Debit permissions are NEVER EVER NOT ONCE IN A BILLION YEARS granted automatically. 2) Said script was able to debit without asking for permission This leads us to the only logical conclusion: IT'S AN EXPLOIT, REPORT IT, DUH!
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