Why Free Accounts Must Go-Part II

That is hardly a fair comparison. You had the option of renting and the luck of someone owning the whole area. Dusty on the other hand put his own money to buy a plot of land only to have someone else buy land in the same SIM and put up a club.

But what you bring up, Dallas, could actually be a solution to the problem. Each SIM would have a group of Linden/Lindens officials that would govern and enforce a set of zone rules or charter for that SIM for what it intended use.

I used to have a castle i made and it was nothing but trees on both sides. A few weeks later those parcels were turned into the ugliest clubs ive ever seen. THen the club owners attacked me when i hadnt done anything. Clubs are such a dark stain on SL.

Let me change something. You have the right to make anything you want in sl. But put some damn effort into it, i dont want to live next to a purple block that you call a club. And be nice to your neighbors or your business will prob suffer terribly

If LL decides to implement zoning, they would first do it on any new SIMs introduced. Trying to do this on any SIM where there are already established businesses and residences would be unrealistic and cause an uproar - as you have mentioned. This way, anyone who wants the wild west, can go/stay into the ghetto region of "old SL". If you want to be more upscale and go "uptown", you will have to go to a managed SIM box.

It would be a interesting social experiment to see what would happen in the older SL if people want to move up to a managed SL SIM.

Completely Nonsequitur.

The owners of the club by virtues of Owning land are NOT free accounts, and you have demonstrated Nothing in your rant relating to how Free accounts are responsible for any of your difficulties.

You might as well be saying "Get rid of free accounts because my Oatmeal was Lumpy this morning, and my shoelace broke."

If you are going to present a Premis, at least make sure your arguements have even a Passing relationship to the stated problem.

Angel.

if you implemented zoning and do it so its not touching the present inhabitants over time the sim will convert

Also they could physically MOVE lag causing casinos if need be they have the tools and the power so if they rezone an area for commercia/ but no casino's they can say to mr casino owner we need to move you pick from one of these sims

My place had been moved I was given no choice it was simply done it was offline for 2 days no difference here only its just a portion of a sim not the entire sim. Lastly they can limit the camping chairs to 1 per 1024 or whatever the magic number is that will reduce load and all will be potentially solved (they can do this they have the power )

edit sorry wrong poster for the last comment have to find the guy who said that now.. grr

Well...erm....no, Angel...Premium Account holders generally have little interest in sitting on a camping chair at a club for $L3 for 15 minutes....and one Premium Account who owns the land is not filling the sim up.

And by the way, it's spelled "arguments".

And why is it not a fair comparison? Dusty had exactly the same options I had. He stated that he just bought the land in question. Its a fairly simple matter of doing your homework before making the most expensive transaction you can make in SL - buying/renting land. I talked to a number of different people in-game and read the forums pretty extensively. I knew before I made my decision that it was a risk on mainland land to get a club or anything else in close proximity to your land. So, based on information from others, I looked and found a residential private sim where the covenant restrictions prevent a lot of those bad things from happening. The landlord now owns 5 adjoining islands and will likely purchase more as the current ones are rented out. I contracted for my land knowing there was no chance of a club or other listed nuisance moving in next door, or anywhere on the sim for that matter.

Again, its a matter of doing your homework. If you buy property in real life without checking to see that the adjoining property is planned for a new airport in the future, then its your fault for not rejecting that property and looking for a better one. Its the same in here, do your homework and you don't have to live with what he complains about. Don't do your homework, then live with the consequences and don't whine about it. I believe that SL is built on a capitalist model, not a communist one. What Dusty wants is the government (LL) to protect him from the results of his own uninformed decisions. Harsh, but true.

Sadly i started a free account, and to say the truth if i had a 7 day free trial <this may be old already, didnt read ALL 3 pages!> i woulda quit SL, when i first started i HATED it, it seemed like a glorified way of dating/sex LOL... but i found the inner works of SL long after a month or two of fooling around with the building tools and what SL really has to offer

I think free accounts are great, they are a source of income for everyone


The problem i think seriously is where people buy land, they buy land where they think will be residential, and im one who will look for people who are building sims and really research what they plan to do with it, There are areas where you can get land that do have strict land rules about what you can / cant build on it.

im gonna stop here cause i ran into a wall with where i was talking about...

sorry =\

No it isn't a fair comparison and the situation is different. You yourself even mention the fact that Dusty brought the land, where you lease/rented. Totally different. There was no way for Dusty to know that a club would appear on the same SIM. You were simply lucky to get landowner that looked after your interest. If the landowner had gone back on his word, you would be singing a different tune instead of beating your chest and patting yourself on the back, touting what great "homework" you did.

In the real world, there are zoning laws and contracts to protect you, in SL there is no such thing. For you to make such a statement that Dusty didn't do his homework is laughable. In SL, LL opens up their wide pockets to collect your money, but they won't do a thing if there is a dispute between private parties unless it is outright fraud.

Instead of using this forum to show off how clever you are, you should count yourself lucky this misfortune didn't happen to you!

Its not the free accounts that are the problem, its the Unverified accounts. Unverified alts are flooding the system, being used for griefing, as Campbots. As most of us were, i was a free account, liked SL, went premium, nothing wrong with that. Its a mystery to me why LL was so dim as to let Unverifeds in, they just let people who want to do Bad Things have free rein to grief at will, not to mention overloading the grid.

The idea was to allow people in Countries who supposedly couldn't credit card verify access to Second Life. Though I think it is wonderful that we have so many different nationalities coming in to SL it was too soon to make the move to do it. LL seems to have a reactive instead of proactive stance on these things.

I started as a free user just this December. Since then I've not only got a full membership, but a land tier set at half a sim (I am a land speculator and flipper.) Along with myself I have seen other newcomers become builders, scripters, and other productive members of SL.

After having wandered around a lot of the mainland, I see the problem, but I don't see how free accounts are to blame. If it is not a club, then it is a casino or mall. These high-traffic places dominate the resources of the sim. The problem is a lack of zoning. What needs to happen is separate zoning for heavy commerce and clubs, either forcing them to use the entire sim (they already do in terms of resources, just not "land," or dividing such sims into 4 parts, with a maximum amount of server resources assigned to each chunk.

No one should be blocked access to their homes if they are premium in my opinion,
They do need to enforce having some business or club over using entire sims ressources though in some way.
Lets face it there very few good camping places that don't involve the camper paying.
There even few ways to earn income other then buy lindens or those lucky few with thriving business.
I am premium but I have budget and need things to do while I am here and there is very few good places to work or hang out and when I do find those places so do others.
There are people who will not spend a dime and don't get the concept of spending real money on virtual land or linden dollars and they most likely think its stupid for be to spend over 100 dollars on land.
I have no problem with those who camp or provide this service to campers.
I tend to actually spend more of the my money at those places who provide camping and games then a club with rip off gambling machines and virtual house of prostution.
Infact I won't give my lindens anymore to gambling machines and never to sl sex workers.
Yet other have this right and I really nothing to say except they shouldn't be able
to take ressources from those who pay for land near there sims.
The property owners should be able to get to the land we paid real dollars on before someone who hasn't paid dime except to buy theie newest big boobed skin who are just hanging out and renting themselves out as a virtual hooker.
I don't want to make Ansche more rich then she is already is personally.
I may rent small lot that helps newcomers but I have absolutely no interest in making someone else wealthier personally who already is well off in first place unless I see them providing some type of service to make Second Life a better place but that just my opinion.
Island rentals only benfit few usually the landowners in my opinion why would I give my money to someone else when I could rent it directly from Linden Labs?
I don't see the purpose in spending more money to give to Island owner and have absolutely few or little rights to land personally.
Yet I do believe Linden Labs needs to be better at enforcing how much ressources one user and his or her guest uses.
They also need more incentives to reward those who go premium and own land, pay tier.

Throws a set of bananas at the grid monkeys are the nightmare we just lived through......... Help is cheap these days a

I said this thing about freebie account for a long time. I just think llabs thinks feels less then 3% of the users are full playing accounts.......I say just remove the non paying text in the profile and jsut stupid up both sides of this issue. Those that put payment information on are only doing it to pick money off those LOL protected from non paying account online payment information. payment online information is totally useless and are are just abusing a already over stressing asset server base.

this is useless. some of us can't pay stuff with a credit card or whatever

Something I wonder about - in the majority of cases the clubs people rant against dont use more resources per se than other commercial builds -

But they have a lot more avatars in them - Avatar's are probably the biggest lag cuasing issue there is.

Since sims are capped as to how many avs can get in them - this is an additional problem the club may cuase.

the fact that clubs only have half paying customers and half afk campers - is a concern - theres no real REASON to have all those campers except that the club needs Traffic numbers.


SO - if you eliminate the dwell number - boom - you eliminate the Reason for camping chairs.

you also eliminate club owners subsidizing the low end skin/hair/clothing/etc markets.

The numbers online would drop quite a bit since no one will be /afk camping lindens

Places would have to get customers the old fashioned way - through being actually worth visiting.

lets see ther is paypal, prepaid credit cards you can buy in any market or shop in the usa.I say tehre are choices.

Well LLabs has been promising us higher and higher population for over 2 years. But capping sims/lands population for some does not exist the set the limit to 100 and some can get even 110 total if most of them are AFK since they have no scripts or scripted objects on one can reach 100+ in a island easy. BUT if I say IF a badly designed island with very little repects for those that wear prim and AO etc ( active scripts ) then those isalnd owners will find holding over 100 a total waste of time.

LLAbs will never do away with freebie account because it those that are AFK that what LLabs cares about because they stay in a sim without any lagging objects on and say for hours or days on end. How the hell do you explain the 30,000 logins? surely they are not all run by one person each........

Part II? Part 50 bajillion million brazillion more like.

But it is a landowner (<-premium account) who offers the possiblity of using camping chair, so his responcibility....


Ohhh.. I better have my English Dictionary close when you are around!!!

On second thought, I refuse that. Errors and mistakes show the human side.

Morwen.

Hmmm....
Interesting discussion. I am still rather new to SL, using only for less than a month now. But I originally joined because I did not have to pay for an account.
I like that. There's no fee to sue SL, meaning I can decide myself when I spend my money on what. I'm also against a general zoning, because it makes citizens like me feel as if we're only second-class people. And that only because I like to have control over my money and don't wanna be hasseled by having to maybe cancel an account, forgetting to if I don't use it for some time....

I also don't need the privileges of such a paid account. So far I simply don't need a home to stick to. I spend nearly all my time in a roleplay sim anyway. What I have and use are things for my av to make it fit in there. There's no need to pay for a premium account on my side. And I "lose" money if I do so. Because I don't need the additional right to own land yet (maybe that will change sometime in the future - I might change my account then), it calculates to me like this:
250L$ equal roughly 1US$.
With a premium account I get a weekly stipend of 300L$. 52 weeks a year. 15600L$ a year. (plus a one-time fee of 1000 L$)
However, I have to spend 72US$ minimum on a premium account. 72US$*250 are 18000L$. There's a difference there.

That is not to say I don't have money to spend on SL. I think economically it would have been better for me to get a WoW accoutn and paly there, because in the first few weeks I indeed spent more money on SL than I would have paid for a WoW account.

I think if free account are reduced to "second-class" accounts, the problems here would not be resolved, but rather shift as more free accoutns would turn into paid accounts. That is IF secondlife stays that popular.
There are severe drawbacks to that approach too. The community becomes less open and free.

I hope what I say makes sense.

talking dogs and cats here SL and wow?
Thats also assuming your put money into the game..
How much is wow per month? And how much is it to be a paying users on sl?
You can`t makes things that simple..............and they are far from the same.