Members Suggestion - Griefer problems

you are correct Katana and i apologise to you and those who i may have offended with my previous post. i still stand by my statement though that to restrict all for the actions of a few is not right.

im glad we agree that griefing is a major problem and one that needs to be addressed more firmly than it has been done in the past so i off these suggestions, restrict free basic accounts to ONE avatar only once an avatar has been banned from a sim and this is gonna sound very harsh, ban that persons ip address as well, if possible, i feel that will cut down on a lot of griefing and drama. also if possible have a "tracker" placed on an avatar that has recieved more than three abuse reports.

it was not my intention to trivialise(sp) anyones hard worrking efforts to make my game time a wonderful experience and i do thank you for doin so.

P.S. i do have a verifyable account, i use my credit card so i can have lindens to spend when i see something i wish to purchase inworld so my financial contribution may not be as large as yours, but i do use my money to purchase lindens so i can enjoy the game and buy items (my ava is a clothes horse ) that will make the game more fun for me

you are correct Katana and i apologise to you and anyone else i may have offended with my previous post. it was not my intention to belittle those who work hard to bring SL to life and make it enjoyable for freeaccounters like me. but i did notice you said you too started out with a free account, so you know where im coming from. you worked hard to get what you have here and i applaud you for it. no i dont own land, no i dont own a business, and no i dont make a living from SL, that does not mean i dont spend money in here as well though. so i stand by position that punishing those who have free basics accounts for the actions of a few is wrong.

We ALL agree however that griefing is a major problem and should be dealt with, so how about this:

restrict unverifyable and free basic accounts to ONE and only ONE avatar.
if these accounts wish to create a new avatar they must upgrade to a premium account and use a credit card to do so(so yes i say bring back the cc verification)

find a way to ban the griefers ip address from the sim it was banned from, if this is possible. this will also cut down on griefing i believe, because eventually they will get bored and leave the game entirely.

set up some sort of tracker or tracer that monitors anyone who was banned from more than one sim, or has recieved more than three abuse reports.

i know these have been suggested before, and the potential to exploit them if they are applied is there(hence the tracker thingie), but with at least one of these in place griefing should go down if not stop.


P.S. my account is verifyable i used a cc to join.

While I agree a significant proportion of unverified freebie accounts are simply alts for griefers, there are still a genuine population who contribute to the game and wish to get involved.

I myself have an unverified account, I chose not to verify my account because I do not believe in credit cards.

While I can trust Linden Labs as a reputable business, it is still entirely possible for such important details as my credit card to be intercepted by some crazed black-hat with a coffee OD.
Credit cards provide an open window for people to have access to money you're liable for.
I've never trusted the concept and never will.

What I suggest is two options:

1. Provide another effective means of verifying accounts.

2. Improved controls to turn off llRezObject from scripts, with the exception of sandboxes and combat zones and give the ability to use llRezObject only to owners of land, as well as people on an "allow list."

This would effectively disable weapons in all areas except sandboxes and combat zones, but also to allow owners to choose who they permit to use weapons and rezzing scripts.

This means that while sandboxes would still be open to griefers, however, Lindens could provide other options for people to build in addition to the sandbox.

A proposal I read recently suggested that people could have their own "off-grid" sandbox where they can build in complete privacy.

While limiting the grid to Orientation Island for unverifieds is a good idea to cut griefers out of the equation. It wouldn't solve the problem, people are still inclined to grief for various reasons regardless of whether they're verified or not.

If the grid were limited I suggest that unverified people have a cut off date, people who signed up before the closing date would still have full grid access for people like me.

They're not, you know.

Landowners can already disable object creation. There's no justification whatsoever for preventing it in areas where landowners currently allow it.

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No offense taken hun, Thanks, I am not worried as alot of others have said about free acounts it is the unverified accounts. I realy should have reworded that better, but the discussion brings out the opinions and it is nice to hear them from other people others then brand new alts. I purposesly recently made a free acount just to test and see how easy ot was to Lie about who you are. I don't plan on using it for proably anything but limitations tested for more feed back. But you know I feel weird in this alt because all the info given was a Lie. but I wanted to see it for myself. It was far to easy to come and disrupt a world if I wanted to, which many unverifieds do because that is all they are is a newer hiding alt.

But this is good, more constructive suggestions. I don't feel sorry for an Unverified account that walks into anyones lands that purposely start trouble. I feel sorry for the ones who are truely new and you can tell who is truely new.

I don't know if you heard but they will start Tracking info from comps now because of this ongoing issue. its a good start. Makes me nervous HOW far they will go but network card is a start, I know they already do that now for some perma bans.

Yes they can disable it, unless they changted it recently even the land owner can't build on it or group unless it is enable.
but 1.12 features for better group tools will resolve alot of issues in my beliefs. there is a new option i believe for the land too that only owners and group can rez, run scripts, etc. Kinda hard on the shopping malls though who wants to go shopping and not be able to rez a box of what you just bought? or walk into a land where your AO isn't allowed to work so you don't walk corney. lol

I am sure it will have its ups and downs but at least they aren't doing nothing. So Kudo for LL for trying to make improvements. I just wish more were focuses on ones we needed long before the flood gates of unverifieds alts were allowed.