Invisibility for freedom of movement

My idea consists in enabling to be invisible to all interested person and first of all not to observers, and that who does not want be visible to observers for whatever reasons.


If the owner of the land wants, that land and the objects on the land were seen only by the certain group of persons, it should receive such opportunity and create for them such "phantom zone" about which you write.

Game rules which exist at present create a boomerang effect - the owner is compelled to be protected from observers and to surround the own land and sky with ban lines which destroy freedom of movement and flights in SL.

Thank you for understanding

This seems consistent with our "no, it won't happen because of stalking" statements. Your English isn't the greatest, so I am unsure.
(I read this as, "my idea consists of enabling invisible to anyone who is intersted in it, and those who don't want to be visible to observers for whatever reasons." If those reasons happen to be "stalking" or "peeping tom" then fine by you?)

I'm sorry, I honestly can not understand what this paragraph means.

First of all - SL is game. Rules of this game can be differ from rules RL considerably. Other game rules create also other psychology.

Second - with feature to be invisible land owners will receive chance to change the game so that to not stir to freedom of movements and flights in SL. Land owners can make itself invisible to those who it (him) has not liked - simply can bring in the list of those avatars for whom will invisible (together with all property or separately) instead of ban-list. The land owners also can make itself visible only for a narrow circle of the friends if all other users are not interesting to it (him) a priori.

The third - the majority of users SL are not land owners, but they need this feature to be invisible when it is necessary for them. Everyone of avatars must to have an opportunity of protection against excessively curious observers during the intimate moments of the life in SL.

We spoke also about an opportunity for everyone an avatar to make invisible not itself only, but to make another an avatar invisible to itself personally (similarly mute option) when avatar are afforded with the extremely indecent appearance and impudent actions.

I have a great idea! Let's hang out in a social thingy and then spend all our time figuring how best to be asocial, or better still, how to ostracize "them".
Lyrics by Eno, which make about as much sense as the rest of this.

All our life is kind of experience for learning including a game in SL.

But why not learn here something new? Something such that cannot learn in the RL, for example creation of more pleasant atmosphere for our intercourse.

That's a subset of the "phantom zone" scheme. It's too limited a subset to be worth considering when Linden Labs already favors the full scheme, and the full scheme is much more likely to make "ban lines" irrelevant.

This is just a bad idea, because if you can make yourself invisible you can take advantage of that to sneak up on *other* people who might not want to be eavesdropped on. If someone is having an "intimate moment" they're having it on land *somewhere*. What would be so hard about joining a group that sets aside private areas for this purpose? And this has nothing to do with "freedom of movement".

Which is the one that's important to you? Being invisible whenever you want, or getting rid of ban lines?

Actually, SL is not a game. SL contains games, but is not one in and of itself. It does not have points, scores, winners or losers, levels, an end-strategy, or most of the other characteristics of games.
Key components of games are goals, rules, challenge, and interactivity.
SL lacks goals, except ones put forth by the players.
(portion of Chris Crawford's dichotomies)
If no goals are associated with a plaything, it is a toy.
If a challenge has no “active agent against whom you compete,” it is a puzzle; if there is one, it is a conflict.
SL has no active agent who opposes the players

Other definitions of games:
“A form of play with goals and structure.” (Kevin Maroney)
“A game is a form of art in which participants, termed players, make decisions in order to manage resources through game tokens in the pursuit of a goal.” (Greg Costikyan)
“An activity with some rules engaged in for an outcome.” (Eric Zimmerman)

SL lacks defined goals, thus fails all four definitions.

Good news



You think, that it is bad idea, and I think, that necessary to all avatars such feature as a choice to be invisible in conformity of personal decision, even when avatars are not land owners.

Who for whom will spy, if that I do not wish to show, I shall not show?

I do not think, that for an opportunity to replace clothes it is necessary to be united in any groups.


I can repeat so much time, how many it is required for your understanding of my idea - the feature to be invisible will to make "ban lines" irrelevant and also will not give an opportunity to one personage in this game to sneak up on others.

No. SL it is all game which conducts LL with all users and it is easy to guess, who wins this game.

But rules which LL establishes, adjust opportunities of each user to conduct the small game inside and first of all to receive from this game positive emotions.

Huh?
We think it's bad implementation, not a bad idea.



Again: huh?



Anyone and everyone being unseen WILL NOT MAKE BAN LINES DISAPEAR. If anything, it will do the exact opposite.
And how will it not give people the opportunity to sneak up on someone? Because their invisible too? How will SL function when to the user, the world is empty?

Excuse me, this time there will be no comments. May be you need simply to read a thread from the beginning?

I'm asking "huh?" because I don't understand your meaning because the sentence structure is so bad.

As for re-reading the whole thread, why don't you, as you seem to not understand our position.

I don'tythink you understand: the way this scheme works being a land owner has nothing to do with whether you can be invisible or not. Being on land that's "phantom zone" does, but if you're allowed on that land you'll be phantomed with it no matter whether you're a landowner or not.

There are people who don't care if you can see them naked or not who still don't want invisible avatars standing aorund listening in on their discussions. Privacy isn't black-or white, "OMG I NEED PRIVACY" vs "I don't care who's around".

There are so many ways to get enough privacy for changing your clothes... including simply putting them on in order so nothing is ever exposed... that the idea that we should create the ability for avatars to stalk people invisibly to make this possible completely laughable.

The way you describe it, anyone would be able to become invisible anywhere they want at any time. How can that NOT give people an opportunity to sneak up on others?

AND, since it doesn't make anything but avatars invisible, it doesn't even attack the problem of ban lines. People put up ban lines to keep <b>folks out of their stuff</b>. Even if they're not there. ZERO avatars to protect, they still want to <b>keep folks out of their stuff</b>. Unless you give people a better way to <b>keep folks out of their stuff</b> they're just going to keep putting up access controls.

I don't think you understand...

Then enlighten us. What you've already written we obviously don't understand.

Everyone who has wanted to understand, all has understood for a long time ago.

You know, Draco18s Majestic, I have such offer to you personally. I would like to write the resume of this thread and very interestingly to know: can you agree to edit on good English my text before I shall publish it?

Then one of them and chip in and explain it to me and Argent.



Seeing as I can't work through most of your English now I don't think I'd properly know how to fix your resume.

What's your native langulage.

You have forgotten - I offered you already to read this thread once more from the beginning.

When you want, you understand. You should understand, that I do not have any necessity to prove to you something.

My native language Russian.

If you have nothing against, give we shall not discuss any more in this thread your linguistic problems.

I did that. Either I don't understand, or you really do want to make things easier for stalkers.

Um...as I said before. Let the stalker have their freedom to stalk. But also let the land owner have their freedom to 'see' the stalkers, and deactivate them. But really, I suspected *nearly all* land owner will just deactivated it. *shrugs*

I would.

You don't allow anyone on your land for anyreason anyway.



And you somehow think that by re-re-re-re-reading something I don't understand that somehow I'll "get it"? This is how sales people work. Pre written script, and all they can do is parot it.



That's "when you want you'll understand." And is incorect. I want to understand how to build a vehicle capable of sub-orbital heights and know nothing of rocket scient, poof, I understand the concepts do to so.



You've obviously never taken any kind of public speaking courses. The WHOLE POINT of the persuasive speach is that it is YOUR JOB to make me understand your position and TO MAKE ME agree.



In which case, I'd be perfectly happy to take your idea/suggestion typed out in Russian and run it through a machine translator. They often do, not a better job, but a job that can be more easily deciphered than someone who's non-native language (in this case English) isn't up to snuff (not saying yours isn't, it's just enough off that us natives can't figure out what words you might be intending to use instead of ones you did use).

Double click on shortcut "Second life" - what I see?

Second Life Time: 2:57 am PST
Total Residents: 3,388,228
Logged In Last 60 Days: 1,122,586
Online Now: 15,084

Americans sleep now.

In peak of traffic, when Americans and Europeans do not sleep, it is possible to see ~25, 000 Residents online. It is less than 1 % from the general number of the registered users. Interestingly, why this number such small?

I would like to see much greater number online, and you?