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Lyrak Sleeper

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Join date: 10 Jan 2006

Posts: 123

06-17-2006 06:33

From: Tcoz Bach

I believe, however, posting chat is still taboo, surprisingly. Not that there's a damn thing they could do about it, but hey it's something.

Are you sure it's chat or is it IMs? I know another game I'm on says you aren't supposed to post private IM sessions ("whispers" in this case) in public without the consent of the other person.

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Jack Harker

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Join date: 4 May 2005

Posts: 552

06-17-2006 07:10

From: Siobhan Taylor

Oddly enough... until a recent change in the CS... if you could alt-zoom and take pictures of them performing non-PG activities, then you could send an abuse report, since such activities were only allowed on M land, behind locked doors where prying eyes couldn't see. It was just never enforced on M land, and rarely on PG land. But open nudity even on M land has always been against the CS.

On the other hand, security scripts which unseat you, eject you or tp you home automatically ARE against the TOS anyway. It's one thing for someone to have a button to make you go away, but if you're ejected from an uninhabited lot, possibly losing an expensive vehicle, then report it. It's griefing, plain and simple.

No, I'm really afraid that it's not griefing.

Use of push on a non-damage enabled parcel *is* griefing, regardless of if it's done with a gun or with a security script.

Eject, teleport home, etc. however are *not* griefing, they are in fact a right that a land owner has for anyone on or over their land, even if it's an automated security script doing it.

The Lindens have stated this before, which is why people who are trying to AR about security scripts aren't getting any response.

Personally, I think that it's rude, except in a narrow selection of cases, but it's *not* against the TOS.

Personally, I think that if someone is having trouble with neighbors over-using security scripts and ban lines thee is one thing that you can do. Ban them back.

I personally have a policy that if someone living next to me has the ban lines up, I reserve the right to ban them and anyone who's on their approved list.

There's a reason why I've been arguing in the forums before for restraint and good manners. It's because a world full of security scripts and ban lines is a no-good place to live.

Argent Stonecutter

Emergency Mustelid

Join date: 20 Sep 2005

Posts: 20,263

06-19-2006 20:28

From: Jack Harker

No, I'm really afraid that it's not griefing.

It's not 'legally' griefing, but it can definitely be used to grief people. Just as noise makers, particle generators, and "IMPEACH BUSH" signs can be.

From: someone

Use of push on a non-damage enabled parcel *is* griefing, regardless of if it's done with a gun or with a security script.

No, it's bloody not. I use push on my non-damage-enabled builds in elevators and avatar launchers... as well as other kinetic functions... and nobody's ever ARed me for them.

Griefing is a function of WHAT you do, not HOW you do it.

From: someone

Eject, teleport home, etc. however are *not* griefing, they are in fact a right that a land owner has for anyone on or over their land, even if it's an automated security script doing it.

Oh yes, they can definitely be used for griefing. For example, put an unsit-and-eject script on your land... and give the eject a timer... but don't put a delay on the unsit. Put it in the middle of the land and laugh as people flying over get kicked off their planes but have no bloody chance of retreiving the plane and exiting the land before the eject fires.

I'm absolutely convinced that the guy near my land who was doing that was collecting trashed planes, and deliberately pissing fliers off, and getting away with it on a technicality.

From: someone

Personally, I think that it's rude, except in a narrow selection of cases, but it's *not* against the TOS.

It's simply legal griefing.

Angel Fluffy

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Join date: 3 Mar 2006

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look at http://secondlife.com/vote/index.php?get_id=1632

07-14-2006 00:45

I would recommend proposal 1632 over this proposal, as we only get 10 votes each and 1632 contains many more suggested improvements.

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Argent Stonecutter

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07-14-2006 16:54

From: Jack Harker

Use of push on a non-damage enabled parcel *is* griefing, regardless of if it's done with a gun or with a security script.

I've had a push script installed on my land in Avalon Lagoon for six months without anyone complaining. Several, actually, and at least one will launch you thousands of meters in the air without you doing anything more than standing in the right place.

Push is not griefing, like anything else it's how you use or abuse it.

From: someone

Eject, teleport home, etc. however are *not* griefing,

They can be, when properly abused. They're not recognised as greifing by Linden Labs, but that's a problem with Linden Labs' policies... not a reason to ignore landowner griefing.

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Lyrak Sleeper Big Bad Wolf Join date: 10 Jan 2006 Posts: 123	06-17-2006 06:33 From: Tcoz Bach I believe, however, posting chat is still taboo, surprisingly. Not that there's a damn thing they could do about it, but hey it's something. Are you sure it's chat or is it IMs? I know another game I'm on says you aren't supposed to post private IM sessions ("whispers" in this case) in public without the consent of the other person. _____________________ Lyrak Sleeper Custom Avatars and Clothing Specializes in Furry Avatars (Shapes, working on texturing skill)
Jack Harker Registered User Join date: 4 May 2005 Posts: 552	06-17-2006 07:10 From: Siobhan Taylor Oddly enough... until a recent change in the CS... if you could alt-zoom and take pictures of them performing non-PG activities, then you could send an abuse report, since such activities were only allowed on M land, behind locked doors where prying eyes couldn't see. It was just never enforced on M land, and rarely on PG land. But open nudity even on M land has always been against the CS. On the other hand, security scripts which unseat you, eject you or tp you home automatically ARE against the TOS anyway. It's one thing for someone to have a button to make you go away, but if you're ejected from an uninhabited lot, possibly losing an expensive vehicle, then report it. It's griefing, plain and simple. No, I'm really afraid that it's not griefing. Use of push on a non-damage enabled parcel is griefing, regardless of if it's done with a gun or with a security script. Eject, teleport home, etc. however are not griefing, they are in fact a right that a land owner has for anyone on or over their land, even if it's an automated security script doing it. The Lindens have stated this before, which is why people who are trying to AR about security scripts aren't getting any response. Personally, I think that it's rude, except in a narrow selection of cases, but it's not against the TOS. Personally, I think that if someone is having trouble with neighbors over-using security scripts and ban lines thee is one thing that you can do. Ban them back. I personally have a policy that if someone living next to me has the ban lines up, I reserve the right to ban them and anyone who's on their approved list. There's a reason why I've been arguing in the forums before for restraint and good manners. It's because a world full of security scripts and ban lines is a no-good place to live.
Argent Stonecutter Emergency Mustelid Join date: 20 Sep 2005 Posts: 20,263	06-19-2006 20:28 From: Jack Harker No, I'm really afraid that it's not griefing. It's not 'legally' griefing, but it can definitely be used to grief people. Just as noise makers, particle generators, and "IMPEACH BUSH" signs can be. From: someone Use of push on a non-damage enabled parcel is griefing, regardless of if it's done with a gun or with a security script. No, it's bloody not. I use push on my non-damage-enabled builds in elevators and avatar launchers... as well as other kinetic functions... and nobody's ever ARed me for them. Griefing is a function of WHAT you do, not HOW you do it. From: someone Eject, teleport home, etc. however are not griefing, they are in fact a right that a land owner has for anyone on or over their land, even if it's an automated security script doing it. Oh yes, they can definitely be used for griefing. For example, put an unsit-and-eject script on your land... and give the eject a timer... but don't put a delay on the unsit. Put it in the middle of the land and laugh as people flying over get kicked off their planes but have no bloody chance of retreiving the plane and exiting the land before the eject fires. I'm absolutely convinced that the guy near my land who was doing that was collecting trashed planes, and deliberately pissing fliers off, and getting away with it on a technicality. From: someone Personally, I think that it's rude, except in a narrow selection of cases, but it's not against the TOS. It's simply legal griefing.
Angel Fluffy Very Helpful Join date: 3 Mar 2006 Posts: 810	look at http://secondlife.com/vote/index.php?get_id=1632 07-14-2006 00:45 I would recommend proposal 1632 over this proposal, as we only get 10 votes each and 1632 contains many more suggested improvements. _____________________ Volunteer Portal (FAQs!) : https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Volunteer_Portal JIRA / Issue Tracker : http://jira.secondlife.com (& http://tinyurl.com/2jropp)
Argent Stonecutter Emergency Mustelid Join date: 20 Sep 2005 Posts: 20,263	07-14-2006 16:54 From: Jack Harker Use of push on a non-damage enabled parcel is griefing, regardless of if it's done with a gun or with a security script. I've had a push script installed on my land in Avalon Lagoon for six months without anyone complaining. Several, actually, and at least one will launch you thousands of meters in the air without you doing anything more than standing in the right place. Push is not griefing, like anything else it's how you use or abuse it. From: someone Eject, teleport home, etc. however are not griefing, They can be, when properly abused. They're not recognised as greifing by Linden Labs, but that's a problem with Linden Labs' policies... not a reason to ignore landowner griefing.

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