What was the point of this thread anyway? That the olympic rings/torch should be gotten rid of because of this?
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Garoad Kuroda
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07-08-2005 16:44
What Neehai points out is the same thing that came to my mind... I don't really know if it's "crap data" or not.
What was the point of this thread anyway? That the olympic rings/torch should be gotten rid of because of this? _____________________
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WTF is C3PO supposed to be USEFUL for anyway, besides whining? Stupid piece of scrap metal would be more useful recycled as a toaster. But even that would suck, because who would want to listen to a whining wussy toaster? Is he gold plated? If that's the case he should just be melted down into gold ingots. Help the economy some, and stop being so damn useless you stupid bucket of bolts! R2 is 1,000 times more useful than your tin man ass, and he's shaped like a salt and pepper shaker FFS! |
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MadJack Bukowski
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07-08-2005 17:10
"And the torch? Personally designed by Hitler" -Jack Digeridoo
Yes Jack, Hitler was also famous for a few other wonderul history making items. Funny how he really liked to torch things..and people. P.S. You forgot he also designed the human lampshade. |
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Siggy Romulus
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07-08-2005 18:23
A semi hijack here... If you found out that hitler invented some everyday object- say cable television, the flush toilet or the cell phone, would that deter you from using it? : In a word - no... an object is an object, a person is a person... electricity powers the electric chair... should we live in the dark? Werner Von Braun - the 'father of modern rocketry' was pretty much THE man you could say made the long range bombing of London happen.. and yet without him you wouldn't have put Neil Armstrong on the moon so quickly. An object or invention doesn't neccessarily inherit it's inventors dogma.. I'm sure there are some exceptions, but you did say everyday object. _____________________
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April Firefly
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07-08-2005 19:10
A semi hijack here... If you found out that hitler invented some everyday object- say cable television, the flush toilet or the cell phone, would that deter you from using it? (I've heard stories linking Bayer Asperin, IBM and Volkswagons to Nazi days but I don't know how valid they are). Personally I'd be creeped out, but I doubt I'd stop using something because it's long-dead (and not profiting) creator was a murderous bastard. But that's just me. Then again, I hereby want to start the rumour that hitler invented parking meters and meter maids so I can lobby to get them banned... I haven't read all of the thread, just up to here, but there is an every day instrument that Hitler was instrumental in promoting, the computer. IBM or what was to become IBM supplied the Nazi's with their punch card computer system that enabled the Nazi's to keep track of their prisoners. The numbers tattooed on each victim corresponded with the punch card numbers. There's a book out: http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/jun2001/ibm-j27_prn.shtml It details the whole involvement of IBM in the Holocaust and how the system helped fine tuned computers for IBM and enabled them to become the dominant computer company. Another reason I used Macs. _____________________
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Cienna Rand
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07-09-2005 07:03
There's an interesting part of the Olympics site which shows you pictures of all the torches there have been: http://www.olympic.org/uk/passion/collectors/search_uk.asp?TypeId=8 Oddly enough that section of the site doesn't have the most recent torches. My stepmom has one of these on her wall. She and her father were runners for part of the torch leg through Dallas in 2002. _____________________
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Reitsuki Kojima
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07-09-2005 07:55
Another reason I used Macs. Yes, because IBM is such a huge player in the modern PC industry. Nevermind that intel or AMD makes the processors, microsoft makes the operating system, ATI or nVidia make the graphics cards, etc... Sorry, but don't expect me to let that comment slide when it infers that using something other than a Mac is somehow tied in with naziism. _____________________
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April Firefly
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07-09-2005 08:15
Yes, because IBM is such a huge player in the modern PC industry. Nevermind that intel or AMD makes the processors, microsoft makes the operating system, ATI or nVidia make the graphics cards, etc... Sorry, but don't expect me to let that comment slide when it infers that using something other than a Mac is somehow tied in with naziism. I'm sorry hon, but that is the way I feel. When I think of all the money IBM made on the Holocaust and then it funnelled that money into becoming a big industry player in the computer field. When IBM started selling it's mainframes to companies, it put in a stipulation that they also had to take so many PC's and that's how PC's got in so many offices. And that is how the PC dominated the world market. It is a fact that the initial investment into the PC market came from IBM which got a goo share of profits off of the Holocaust. This is fact. And it's how I feel. I'm sorry if my feelings bother you. I will try to change them if I can, but is that what you really want? _____________________
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Reitsuki Kojima
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07-09-2005 08:52
I'm sorry hon, but that is the way I feel. When I think of all the money IBM made on the Holocaust and then it funnelled that money into becoming a big industry player in the computer field. When IBM started selling it's mainframes to companies, it put in a stipulation that they also had to take so many PC's and that's how PC's got in so many offices. And that is how the PC dominated the world market. It is a fact that the initial investment into the PC market came from IBM which got a goo share of profits off of the Holocaust. Never the less, IBM != PC. IBM didn't even invent the "pc" (To be more accurate, the wintel platform... "pc" actually can describe a mac too) entity. They just helped to make it popular. They weren't even the only company to do that. Regardless of your feelings of IBM (I don't blame the IBM of today... The people running it today aren't the people that were running it back then, and I refuse to hold to sins of the father), the computer sitting on my desk is absolutely unconnected to IBM. This is fact. And it's how I feel. I'm sorry if my feelings bother you. I will try to change them if I can, but is that what you really want? Normally I would be all for saying, "I'm not out to change anyone's mind"... But when that mind is connecting me to naziism, however indirectly, because of my choice of personal computers, well... _____________________
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Buster Peel
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07-09-2005 09:17
And the swastika? That symbol has been around forever. Hitler thought it looked bad ass so he used it. And you cheer the rings and hiss at the swastika. Mr. Troll, everyone knows what both of those symbols stand for. Nobody cares how that came about. |
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April Firefly
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07-09-2005 09:31
Never the less, IBM != PC. IBM didn't even invent the "pc" (To be more accurate, the wintel platform... "pc" actually can describe a mac too) entity. They just helped to make it popular. They weren't even the only company to do that. Regardless of your feelings of IBM (I don't blame the IBM of today... The people running it today aren't the people that were running it back then, and I refuse to hold to sins of the father), the computer sitting on my desk is absolutely unconnected to IBM. Normally I would be all for saying, "I'm not out to change anyone's mind"... But when that mind is connecting me to naziism, however indirectly, because of my choice of personal computers, well... Good point Buster. I will defend your right to make that point. _____________________
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Garoad Kuroda
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07-09-2005 09:37
....Did IBM know they were assisting genocide at the time?
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WTF is C3PO supposed to be USEFUL for anyway, besides whining? Stupid piece of scrap metal would be more useful recycled as a toaster. But even that would suck, because who would want to listen to a whining wussy toaster? Is he gold plated? If that's the case he should just be melted down into gold ingots. Help the economy some, and stop being so damn useless you stupid bucket of bolts! R2 is 1,000 times more useful than your tin man ass, and he's shaped like a salt and pepper shaker FFS! |
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April Firefly
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07-09-2005 09:45
....Did IBM know they were assisting genocide at the time? If you read the book, it tells fo the technicians coming into Auschwitz and other camps to service the computers. They set up the system where one column in the keypunch meant current status, one column meant ability to work, another column was for destination. The Nazis were able to process and move and ultimately kill so many because of the efficiency of the punchcard system. This "field" testing allowed IBM to hone their computer system much better than if they hadn't had this type of practice. _____________________
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Neehai Zapata
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07-09-2005 13:20
Frankly, most of it was crap. But a significant amount of it wasn't crap. Especially the test that were done on humans to assist German soldiers. Things like the time it took people to die in extreme cold, bleeding tests done by cutting prisoners to test coagulants for use on the battlefield. Sure the Nazis did some horrible experiments, but some of the data from them is useful. _____________________
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Roseann Flora
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07-09-2005 14:32
But a significant amount of it wasn't crap. Especially the test that were done on humans to assist German soldiers. Things like the time it took people to die in extreme cold, bleeding tests done by cutting prisoners to test coagulants for use on the battlefield. Sure the Nazis did some horrible experiments, but some of the data from them is useful. Vivisection upon human beings or animal is wrong IMO, if I get a deadly disease I wouldn’t want anyone or thing to have to suffer or did for my cure. Vivisection was practiced in the Roman era on gladiators and slaves so the Nazis where not the first to do this, never the less it's very wrong and sick. More on this subject here http://www.micahbooks.com/readingroom/humanexperimentation.html _____________________
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Reitsuki Kojima
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07-09-2005 14:44
Vivisection upon human beings or animal is wrong IMO, if I get a deadly disease I wouldn’t want anyone or thing to have to suffer or did for my cure. Vivisection was practiced in the Roman era on gladiators and slaves so the Nazis where not the first to do this, never the less it's very wrong and sick. More on this subject here http://www.micahbooks.com/readingroom/humanexperimentation.html On the other hand, if the knowledge is already out there, I don't really care if it came from the nazi's... Save my life with it, damnit! Knowledge is just knowledge. You can disaprove of where it came from, but to pretend it doesn't exist because you don't like where it came from is silly, IMO. _____________________
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Reitsuki Kojima
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07-09-2005 15:33
Actually, Apple seems to be linked closer to IBM than my computer is...
Linky Found that on Bluesnews a few minutes ago. _____________________
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Roseann Flora
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07-09-2005 15:38
On the other hand, if the knowledge is already out there, I don't really care if it came from the nazi's... Save my life with it, damnit! Knowledge is just knowledge. You can disaprove of where it came from, but to pretend it doesn't exist because you don't like where it came from is silly, IMO. I don't pretend it doesn't exist, I just think it's sick to vivisection or experiment on humans or animal. _____________________
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