Kindness shouldn't be this hard..

I am a very dispirited and grumpy girl.

As many will know, for many months now myself and others have been placing quality homes and others items into our gnu store in Davenport, nothing more expensive than a single linden, and 99 percent of them fully Moddable/Copyable. This is not cheap crap, this is content that could easily be sold for much higher prices.

For my part, I had it in my head that this was a way that I could help new players become established, allow them to learn how quality items are made by pulling them apart and allow them to pass these items to others as free gifts and so on..

This morning I have logged in to find that once again, someone has decided to to sell my work for a profit. Despite a forum post, a direct IM asking them not to, and the notecards within the items in the store explaining how those items should be treated - there in southwest Tilitr is one of my homes for sale for 100 lindens.

What am I supposed to do? Strictly speaking, even if I find their actions abhorent - they are breaking no rules. The permission system inworld does not allow for what we are trying to do, and I have no idea when - if at all - it will provide for truly free-always items that are moddable, copyable and transferable. So I am sat here being annoyed, whilst someone somewhere presumably watches their cash increase thanks to goods I have made.

Three days ago someone appeared at my home and immediately ranted at me because the beautiful 1 linden home he had bought from me was not moddable. I offered to custom modify it for him. I offered to provide a moddable version. I offered to refund his 1 linden. I was told, in glorious caps, that I was rude and arrogant.. and then they teleported away.

I feel quite bewilldered to be honest. People never cease to disappoint. It really shouldn't be this hard to do something good.


Jai

Welcome to all those who came to SL because they heard you could make a quick buck here....

*hugs Jai*

Some people will always suck.

Don't let it get you down or stop doing things you enjoy and like to help out with.

I have no solutions to fix the problem. It would be interisting though if the permission system did allow for things to be sold no higher than x.

I thought reselling items like that is against TOS, like reselling Linden items?

It's not hard to do something good, it's just hard to control the actions of those you benefit.

Jai,

This indeed sucks, as i know you are a complete BABE, and i still cherish my decking every single day ..

I cannot build or do anything *sigh*, yet people still like to take my acts of random kindness and quite frankly shove them straight back where the sun doesn't shine, i have recently been in ahern and morris trying to befriend noobs and generally be an all round 'good sport', to which i was greeted with a nice email from LL warning me for indecency in Ahern.

I cannot actually remember doing anything indecent although i may have been skimpily dressed (which isn't *cough* rare), or i may have even swore accidently, so it is my own fault, i guess, i just sometimes feel *arrrrrrgggggghhhhhhh* at the actions of certain people and the way they jump report people, but *sigh* oh well...

I live to hide from PG land another day..

W
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Thought on this further.

Have you considered packaging these with notecards that explicitly state that they can not be resold at a profit?

Jai, I'm sorry to hear that this is still going on, it's really not good and is a slap in the face for what you're trying to do. However, there's a strange rule that, over the years, I've come to realise:

If you sell things cheap people expect much more for the price.

If you sell things expensive people are generally happy.

I suppose the psychology of it is that if you're selling things cheap, you don't rate your time and effort highly, so people can get away with asking for more or complaining.

Your second example I get a lot, because I sell things cheap. I've been away for a couple of weeks and got neg rated lots by newer players over things that people have spent L$10 on from my stores and then weren't happy with them because they didn't understand how to use it or because it didn't do something they wanted it to. It's annoying as hell, but it sort of goes with the territory. If I was selling those things for L$100 each I wouldn't get anywhere near the grief.

Yes Hiro.. all the items contain a notecard clearly explaining the purpose of the objects, and that they should not be resold.

The TOS does not state that you cannot re-sell an item you have bought, how could it.. on the face of it that is a reasonable thing to do. Leaves those wishing to provide free goods in an impossible position.


Thnx for the kind words..


Jai

If you've made it aware to the buyer that they are accepting a contract by using your product, that's something explicit that you should be able to speak to the Lindens about.

I find petty abusers like this don't listen to threats, but one time I had someone make almost literally an exact replica of my katanas, and after unsuccessfully requesting him to change his design, I got a Linden involved and he became suddenly very willing to compromise.

Jai,

Hope you don't get too dispirited over this. Unfortunately the proportion of minor griefers among us seems to have increased greatly in recent months.

I agree with Hiro; it seems to me that if you left specific instructions about what was permissible with your build, then by accepting it they were implicitly agreeing to abide by your instructions. I would have thought that an abuse report was well in order.

It was a minor oversight. Next time I'm by that way I'll remove the amount.

If you want me to apologize for mistakenly thinking "Resell" actually meant resell, then I happily will if it helps with the blood pressure. It was an honest mistake.

Generally though, if something is for sale and I buy it, I assume I can then resell it. Especially when there is this big flag saying I can. But yes, obviously, I should have read the notecard closer.

It's not the first mistake I've made, and I can promise everyone it will not be the last. If it is, then I'm probably doing something wrong.


BTW, on a more pleasant note, if anyone is looking for something to resell that is free, you can get a copy of my postal truck script in borderman and sell the script to your hearts content.

Jai,

I have spent tons of cash ($20L) buying your great homes since I came in-world. I have totally enjoyed each one of them. I always tell new players to visit the GNU store before buying anything anywhere else.

The point is that I know the notecards included with the houses are pretty specific about what it can or cannot be done with them. So specific in fact, that when I was going to set up a space to give them away for free, I noticed that the agreement said I could not do it without contacting you first.

I totally understand why you would be upset, and hope that the actions of one or a few out there will not deprive the rest of the SL of your wonderful work.

cheers,

- Tito

People are broken.

I agree with Maxx! Lindens, please fix this immediately!

Hrm, are all people broken?
Should LL issue a patch?
Will people be fixed in tomorrow's release?
Will the currently unbroken people be broken by the fix, and bring drahma to the forum wanting a rollback?

*edited for bad spelling

You don't cease to amaze me, blaze. Right now you sound like a political attack add ignoring the obvious omissions.

Spefically, the "do not" associated with the "resell".

Come on, seriously. You think people put out $1L items just for you to make a profit? Honestly, now.

This can't be done. It's like putting a ban on land sales. People can still pay the AV directly. Content creators need to be able to see who is using their objects and be able to revoke their right to use them at any given time. Otherwise a simple mistake in the permissions checkbox means your creation can be resold and nobody can stop them.

Yes. People could still pay the av direct. But it sure puts the kybosh on people putting them out for sale on their land for unattended sales, doesnt it? And if people have to go to edit on the object to look at the owner, they might just look at the creator too, and wonder why they arent paying him instead?

As I have always maintained since before I suggested it (and was shot down by the capitalists who think it's abhorrent for me to even suggest that people shouldnt profit from my work) many months ago, this is still a good idea to have.

Until we have this, I will only ever release content 'no transfer' now.

Yes but reselling something that was bought for $1 and selling it for $100 is hard to swallow as an "honest oversight".

Personally I have stopped buying (in any situation) the "im new and I don't knwo what I am doing excuse" anymore. Not that this is the excuse you are giving... I am just saying in general.

I am sorry to hear about this situation and offer what little support I can by sympathizing.

I have and will continue to refer newbies to the GNU store as long as it remains - it's the first place I found that allowed me to feel like I wasn't spnonging off the largess of tothers - even the small price of a single Linden allows one (me, at least) to feel that one isn't a complete charity case.

Please don't let this action or similar ones cause ou to close the store. It seems obvious that you're not trying to make money off this, so the defense, in this case, is information that yours is the place to get these items for less. That and a thick skin.

Hang in there.

Jai,

I know your work is truly beautiful, and I understand what you're trying to do for the community.

What if these were $1, copy/mod/no transfer?

While it would kill the basis of GNU, it would allow you to continue to a) make sure no one gets ripped off by reselling your homes, and b) continuing to let you do what you seem to love to do for the newbies with these builds.

A quick card at the entrance would explain why the complete philosophy of GNU can't be followed in SL at the moment.

I've been looking for a nice house for when I finally find land, I'll look you up. any suggestions on the one's you've created?

Thats twice in two days.... 'won't be my last mistake' could translate to 'onto the next free item vendor......'


See Dick, See Jane, See the gift horse.
See Dick look in the gift horses mouth.

Siggy.

well...I had someone threatening to abuse report me the other day.....cuz I gave them something for free......was supposedly harassing them...


If that keeps up....k no more freebies ....