Costume Party in Neaultenberg

It is apparent, by the fact that certain threads have been deleted, that discourse in Neaultenberg is not tolerated by those that determine such things. It sucks when you try to exercise free speach, and someone just yanks your thread before you're awake the next morning.

However, it is also apparent to me that those that do such muzzling don't have the same thread deleting abilities here in the "General" forums, so I will offer my proposals once again... this time to a much broader audience.

As many are aware, Neaultenberg is a project in "government" within Second Life. I have watched the discussions about this government with much bemusement. To further the bemusement, and to offer a voice to those that feel the same, I hereby formally offer the "Costume Party" as a political faction within the city.

The Costume Party stands for liberty, and the right to have a few jollies at the expense of overly constipated fools. The Costume Party stands for those that want to have a voice without being drowned out by excessive political rhetoric. The Costume Party stands for those that feel that, if you're gonna go through an exercise in mental masturbation, you might as well have some fun in the process.

Please join us, and help make the Costume Party a fixture within Neaultenberg. It ain't gonna hurt a bit, and we all get to wear kewl t-shirts and carry funny political signs.

- Ace

Ace, I have been reading the threads about that "government", even though Im no longer a part of it. What I am seeing is the demise of the "government" even before it gets under way.

I remember back when it first started. Many of the people still in the group joined the group with the understanding that they didnt have to take part in the "government". I was one of those silent majority until I could no longer support it because I couldnt support something that a very few will dictate what will be done.

I see the group has grown to almost 40 members now. And I would assume, from reading the posts for the "government'" that the majority of members dont want to be involved in forming, or taking part in the "government".

Im seeing 5-6 people who are involved in setting this up. And what they are trying to set up is a national government for a village. I cant call the place a 'city' with just 40 people living there, perhaps a very small village. Yet the "government" is being set up with so much control.

Ive read that ther will be 3-5 party, let's see. 6 members involved in the "government" thats 2 people per party. Filling the governmental slots for the houses, whatever they are will take 6 people minimum. I wonder who will control those?

I seriously believe what is being set up is to massive for 40 people, probably far less if one discounts the members who are in the group that want no part in the government. Let's face it, its a very small village and will have a "government" designed for a nation.

I see it self destructing before it gets very far off the ground. Of the 6 or so people involved in it I see constant back and forth that each person has their own agenda and some of those people wish it to be their way only.

I will watch with interest as to how this turns out. I will also watch to see if those members who didnt want to take part in the "government ever raise their own voices to their wants and needs.

Ive rambled on enough for now, but I will be watching with a slight smile on my face

See attached...

Drop me an IM if you want one of these Costume Party t-shirts.

- Ace

I deleted your thread.

At first I was thrilled to have you consider being a part of the project, as the more people we have, the more interesting it will be. However, as I read on, I realized you were creating a party not for the benefit of those who are contributing to or working so hard on the project but as a vehicle for you to express your contempt for the project. This became apparent in your final post in the thread where without provocation you called all members of the group "a bunch of pussies." It continues in this thread where you call the group "overly constipated fools".

What's next? Standing on a hill and shooting members with a push gun? No one like a griefer, Ace.

~Ulrika~

So indeed your group is NOT open and welcome to all interested ??
I believe you misunderstood Ace's intent.
This heavy handed control is exactly why I pulled out of the project.

I have no problem with the costume party at all...the only error I saw in Ace's posting to the forum was that he didnt put it in the right place. Come back Ace I would love to see the party in the city...but only if your serious about being part of the experiment.

Le3cktor you know why I'm part of the experiment...and I would love it if you started a party there....I'm not the whole government but I'll fight tooth and nail for your and Aces right to become part of the government .

lol... I'm not participating in the discussion to make some kind of "power grab". I mearly just want to help move the project along. Anyone is welcome to come help participate in setting up the project, be it politics, building, scripting, event hosting or just hanging out in the city having fun. If people were to tell me I was doing a good job, and they'd like my continued input, I would probably accept. I think a functional themed Sim that protects the interest of the creative members of the community is a project worthy of my time.

If you also want to help move the Sim along, come to the forums and tell us where you'd like to help.

Can I wear the Marie Antoniette wig I bought for halloween? I am disappointed, I thought you were hosting a costume party

why are there parties? representative government is necessary to bring democracy to the scale of the nation state. why is this government being mediated through administrationa and bureacracy when the scale allows for a more fully formed commons?

more radical thinking

I retract the "bunch of pussies" remark. It was rude and inappropriate.

However, if the "ruling elite" of the city seem unable to live with a political faction devoted to parody and mischief, then I would say that "overly constipated fools" is a very apt description of those that want to run this experiment in government.

Either you are creating a government that is inclusive and tolerant, and would welcome the Costume Party as a legitimate voice, or you truly are just taking part in an exercise in mental masturbation. Which is it, Ulrika?

- Ace

I invite you to join my Costume Party, Lecktor, so that together we might test the commitment to the toleration of dissent within the city. If Neaultenberg can survive a Costume Party, then perhaps we truly will have a government of inclusion and openness, and not just a play toy for those with inflated senses of self worth.

- Ace

Oh, count me in on the Costume PArty! As a person that is normally in what most people would call a costume (I'm a catgirl) I think is is natural for me to be a part.

^.^

first of all id prolly make my own party...second...WHY THE HELL DO U TYPE SO MUCH! I DONT FEEL LIKE READING ALL THAT Drop me an im in game if u wanna help me make a party o.O it would be fun "me for president"^_^;

I dont think I said a word about a so called "power grab", this in itself makes no sense to me, what power? The government would have no power other than to eject someone from the land.
Until I get a concise and logical explination as to why SL needs a I am againt any form of it and joining Nueltenburg would just go against my beliefs that its just a play thing for a very few.
I can keep busy on my own land, building and making my park grow. I can feel fulfilled doing my Mentoring, Instructing and Live Help and not feel I must abide by specific rules set down by a government in SL other than the rules already clearly stated in the TOS and CS.

So, no I wont go to the goverments forums and post, I am quite capable of making my beliefs know in the general forum.

So what i'm seeing is, is this 'government' trying to think its higher than those of the TOS and CS?

Makes absolutely no sense.

I totally agree with you Toy.

A push-gun approach does have its appeal, but I'll stick by my guns, and just laugh and have some lollies.

You might be surprised by the number of "Bozo for Mayor" t-shirts that have been liberated upon the good citizens of Neuatenberg.

- Ace

We're here, we're your fear... get used to it.

- Ace

P.S. Serious as a heart attack.

The purpose of a government in Neualtenburg is to meet the needs we see as necessary for it's own growth. If a political party is formed for that growth it is very welcome to be a presence.

I'd be interested to hear how a proposed Costume Party would help
How does it differ from our Anarchist Party?

I didn't get to see the posts, Ace so I can't judge on their contents.
Having read your posts on other threads, I'd like to give you the benefit of the doubt that your proposed party isn't simply a means to tear down the work of people who care greatly about how this projekt progresses.

To be candid -- what I've read in this thread so far from you I find a bit non-constructive,
but I'd like to give you the chance to show me differently.

Ace I would love one of your Bozo t shirts please, and I will only join the Costume Party if I can wear the 1900 dress from Olde London. I have been waiting for a chance to wear it again lol.

Thanks

Latonia

socrates chose death over exile. human beings are social. freedom and identity only hold meaning in a social setting. any community one chooses to belong to will have politics regardless of the degree of insitutionalization.

i still haven't heard why neualtenberg is having representative government? when the population is conducive for all private citizens to meet directly in the commons, why would would one choose to create administrative systems for governance?

Socrates was sentanced to die by drinking hemlock for impiety and spreading such a message to the youth of the city.

He chose to die rather than abandoning his convictions, not just to avoid exile.

As for your second paragraph...

Well duuuuh. If it isn't representational, there can't be politicians with power over other people. We can't have *that*, heavens no... Thats what we have now.

he was charged to death after he rejected imprisonment and exile. he later rejected the oppurtunity to escape death when his friends had arranged it. the reason he had to remain to die was because without the remaining subject to athens and her laws, his convictions would be meaningless. were he to escape and maintain his beliefs, they would no longer matter to himself or anyone else as he would be outside of the public sphere which seperated man from animals (and women and slaves).

Your out-reasoning yourself.

Regardless of what he chose to not do - be it accept exile or eat a peanut butter and jelly sandwhich - he did it in order to preserve his convictions. Any other fact is false cause.

I think I answered that. Growth.

why didn't he choose to not die?