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Group land bonus tier % - obsolete?

Nolan Nash
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10-03-2005 14:33
From: Jauani Wu
oh yeah! i forgot LL's mission statement was to run SL into the ground :rolleyes:

LL's mission statement is to run SL businesses into the ground! Sex balls are next! :rolleyes:
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Michi Lumin
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10-03-2005 14:50
From: Jauani Wu
oh yeah! i forgot LL's mission statement was to run SL into the ground :rolleyes:


No, it'd just make private islands more favorable, since they aren't paid out of tier, but by the maintenance cost.

That's what you want anyways, isn't it, Jauani? Make the mainland non-viable, so that all of the large mainland projects will have to rent from you, right?
Jauani Wu
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10-03-2005 16:50
From: Michi Lumin
No, it'd just make private islands more favorable, since they aren't paid out of tier, but by the maintenance cost.
actually, it's a monthly fee, and it applies to gridded land or islands sims. land faq
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That's what you want anyways, isn't it, Jauani? Make the mainland non-viable, so that all of the large mainland projects will have to rent from you, right?
yeah i want to make my own grid land "non-viable" so i will have to rent my non-existant island sim land from myself :rolleyes:

regressive land tier monthly fee and the grouped tier 10% bonus/exploit are entirely seperate issues. either you are purposely misrepresenting my arguements to discredit my participation in this discussion or you have poor reading comprehension.
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Huns Valen
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10-03-2005 16:59
I see a couple solutions...
  1. Increase the non-group land multiplier to match the group land multiplier, effectively giving everyone the extra 10% regardless of whether their land is group-deeded or not.
  2. Drop the group land bonus, which will fuck the little guy and just slightly annoy the big guy, and subsequently result in higher rent for the little guy.
I favor either leaving it as it is, or taking solution #1.
Lordfly Digeridoo
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10-03-2005 19:44
Sure, I'd love to double my monthly payment to LLab without any benefit! Sign me up!

How about no.

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Jauani Wu
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10-03-2005 20:43
From: Lordfly Digeridoo
Sure, I'd love to double my monthly payment to LLab without any benefit! Sign me up!

you'd also be entitled to 81.8% more land holdings then you are now :)
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10-03-2005 21:42
From: Jauani Wu
you'd also be entitled to 81.8% more land holdings then you are now :)



Wu should go play on the teen grid. :p
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10-03-2005 23:50
From: Jauani Wu
you'd also be entitled to 81.8% more land holdings then you are now :)
What if he doesn't want any more land, or would find it burdensome to step up to the next tier level?
Jauani Wu
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10-04-2005 06:36
From: Huns Valen
What if he doesn't want any more land, or would find it burdensome to step up to the next tier level?


well, like i already posted much earlier in this thread, i don't think he should have to. i posted in favour of your proposal #1, whereby everyone would get 10% more land, not just those who get such large tiers that signing up two alts becomes worthwhile for the exploit.
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Gwyneth Llewelyn
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10-04-2005 12:46
From: Jauani Wu
well, like i already posted much earlier in this thread, i don't think he should have to. i posted in favour of your proposal #1, whereby everyone would get 10% more land, not just those who get such large tiers that signing up two alts becomes worthwhile for the exploit.


I have some trouble using the term "exploit" in this context. After all, the 10% bonus is available for everyone, not just for a selected few!

This would be throwing in the 10% bonus with things like, say, having the ability to pay for Premium annually and get a discount, instead of paying every mount. Is that an "exploit" as well?

For me, an "exploit" is when you use or manipulate things for your own advantage (that's one possible definitions of an "exploit";). In this case, everybody can take advantage of the bonus, it's not just for a "selected few", all you need is... a group. Rich or poor, ownling much land or just a few tiny bits, there is no difference at all!

The reasoning behing the 10% bonus was to encourage group creation. That definitely has worked :)
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Dnate Mars
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10-04-2005 12:50
$9.95 + $9.95 + L$100 = 10% land bonus

Seems fair to me.
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Cocoanut Koala
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10-04-2005 13:13
From: Gwyneth Llewelyn
I have some trouble using the term "exploit" in this context. After all, the 10% bonus is available for everyone, not just for a selected few!

This would be throwing in the 10% bonus with things like, say, having the ability to pay for Premium annually and get a discount, instead of paying every mount. Is that an "exploit" as well?

For me, an "exploit" is when you use or manipulate things for your own advantage (that's one possible definitions of an "exploit";). In this case, everybody can take advantage of the bonus, it's not just for a "selected few", all you need is... a group. Rich or poor, ownling much land or just a few tiny bits, there is no difference at all!

The reasoning behing the 10% bonus was to encourage group creation. That definitely has worked :)

Just as First Land is available to everyone who wants to shell out for a second account, not just a select few.

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Gwyneth Llewelyn
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10-04-2005 14:23
From: Cocoanut Koala
Just as First Land is available to everyone who wants to shell out for a second account, not just a select few.


So true, Coco :)

Next forum thread: abandon First Land, since you can also "exploit" it with alts.

(I'm not being original, this is under discussion here).
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Michi Lumin
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10-04-2005 15:39
I don't know why the common concensus seems to be "Because some are abusing it, take it away from everyone". This goes for dwell/traffic, the 10%, first land, llTeleportAgentHome - you name it. Because there are some abusers of the above functionality, various people are screaming to take it away from everyone.
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10-04-2005 15:44
no one is screaming... ease!
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Gwyneth Llewelyn
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10-04-2005 15:44
From: Michi Lumin
I don't know why the common concensus seems to be "Because some are abusing it, take it away from everyone". This goes for dwell/traffic, the 10%, first land, llTeleportAgentHome - you name it. Because there are some abusers of the above functionality, various people are screaming to take it away from everyone.

Oh, Michi, I'm fortunately much more of an optimist. Two or three people sharing an opinion in the forums is not a "consensus". Well, even if there are twenty or thirty :)
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Jake Reitveld
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10-04-2005 16:02
I say keep the 10% bonus. If three people can stay in a group long enough to get it, they deserve it.
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