Telehub sim landowners speak up!

A few days ago I posted this poll just trying to figure out if I was in the majority or minority of players as far as how I traveled, because something has been perplexing me for a while.

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Now, I realize that this is not in anyway a truly accurate representation of the entire population of SL, but it seems quite telling to me. People in SL do not stay in Telehub sims long enough to generate traffic or dwell for nearby land unless that is their destination. They do not explore land near telehubs unless their destination is near a telehub. Many of the most successful businesses are not near a telehub or are on a private island, though I realize there are a significant number that are, but people would probably still frequent them even if they weren't right near a telehub. This would seem to imply that there really is no benefit to having land near a telehub other than people don't have to fly as long to get to your land. so....

1. What ACTUAL benefit have you seen by owning land near a telehub

2. How would you ACTUALLY be impacted if point to point teleporting was implimented (possibly for a fee as a sink to help improve the economy)

I know LL has stated they will not implement p2p TP's because of the impact to the value of the land near telehubs...but is this value real or imaginary? Are you being asked to pay more for land that is really no more valuable than other land, or even less valuable than other land because of lag, slow rezzing times, and too much traffic PASSING THROUGH.

All I know is that I fly past all that garbage around telehubs as fast as I can.

Affirmative.

Some of my best times in-game are being caught amidst invisible junk surrounding telehubs on my way to my actual destination. To me it is a mini-game I call "fly in an invisible web" and the challenge brings spark to an otherwise dull form of transportation.

This is why I am glad that Linden Lab declared that telehubs will not be removed. They said it was in order to not diminish the value of vLand surrounding the hubs, but that was merely a ruse to protect my mini-game.

It pays to be well connected.

*crossposted from your other thread*

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Ok before I get yelled at *cowers*, I don't like telehubs, I don't like telehub malls, I'd rather we had direct teleport, but..

I have rented in a lot of places including telehub malls. I went through a spat of renting anywhere I could.. At normal malls I just about broke even on my rent, these are malls that aren't near anything that generates a lot of dwell, and aren't RIGHT next to a telehub. But at telehub malls I made about 40% more sales. And at places that generated a lot of dwell, like clubs that rented space I made about 50% more sales.

My theory is that its new players that either get stuck in telehub malls or something catches their eye. And that very few new players read the forums, and therefore voted on this poll.. Thats my theory anyway..

hmmm...thanks Zap, your the first with any business near a telehub to respond. I'm really not trying to start any type of evil debate, I truly want to understand where the value in the land lies...so it seems the only people who spend any time near telehubs are newbies exploring...


Please if you have business interests near a telehub, what is the advantage? Do those who own land in these areas not come to the forums??

As I've experienced it, the value in land near telehubs is not that people will stumble across your stuff as they are flying by on their way to somewhere else.

Rather, it is that people who have found your location in Find Places will be able to get there quickly, without a long flight after teleporting.

For example, I always use the GOM ATM by the Shinda telehub, because I know I can hit 'Teleport' and be there depositing my money within a few seconds. Therefore, the land on which that ATM sits is valuable because more people will be going there than an ATM location that is 700m+ from a telehub.

Malls that are right next to a hub will have a higher number of 'regulars' than malls that need a 5 minute flight to be reached.

A certain familiarity and repeat traffic is required for this to work, of course - when you first visit a place, there's no indication before teleporting of how long the post-teleport flight is. But let's face it - The Edge's location in Da Boom must be a factor in their popularity as it makes them quick to reach when you just have to have your 'Best SEXAY AV in WHITE NEKKIDNESS' fix.

Of course, this advantage also applies to private islands where you can have people teleport right in to your event or shopping location.

Les flying time - more time to spend at your destination.

heh...that makes some sense. However with the way TP has been working for me lately..I'd never want to TP directly to any event...I show up bald with no shoes, and only half a skirt. 3-5 minutes later my hair finally arrives and then my shoes, etc. When I have a long flight I pick up these items on the way.

Just think how that popularity of location could be spread more equally if people could get where they want to go with a click, rather than a click and a flight.

I know it's not completely fair to the relatively few who have establishments near telehubs, but in the long run wouldn't it benefit everyone more to have another $L sink to balance the economy than to keep taking the sources out? Again, and this wasn't my idea I just saw it brought up by someone and thought it made a lot of sense, I'm not even suggesting that telehubs be removed. I suggesting that P2P teleporting be allowed for a price. People who are really annoyed by telehubs will pay that price, people who aren't, or who can't afford it, will still travel the normal way, and for the sims that have a telehub that is a necessary "starting place" for their attraction, p2p could be disabled. And maybe those that have relied on location to sell, will just have to work a little harder on other aspects of their business (advertisment, customer service, etc.) to make them as appealing.

What am I missing? this seems so obvious and simple.

When you land on a tp hub, it takes forever to load all the damn malls around it.
I try to fly as fast as i can out of there, i have to go "very high" since most ppl put huge skyscraper malls to get ppl's attention.

If your going somewhere 80% of times you know where your going to.. and you want to get there. "Telehub" malls are a way to "Get your attention" before you reach your "destination".

I tried renting near telehubs.. it was not alot of profit i made more sales in stores 300m away then one 30m away..

Just because your business is "Closer" to the hub does not mean your going to sell stuff there really welll, and thats what ppl dont understand. Closer you are its better for your custumers to get there. But if they love your work.. trust me they will fly 700m to get it

Sure closer the ATMS the better, but your not really making a profit by hosting an atm machine, unless you sell stuff near by.

OK here it is from some one who has a shop at about 60 -70 % of all the telehubs on the main land. first it is simple economics telehub shops sell more then any where else.
i have private shops that i have listed in classifieds far from a hub that i sell next to nothing in. and i also have shops right on telehubs that i do extremely well at.
i can tell you proximity to the hub matters greatly. the only telehub land that's really worth it for the "fly by " traffic is land that is directly adjacent to the hub. land more then 50 meters away from the hub in my opinion losses value very quickly. this even applies to land of the same mall a shop closer to the hub is more likely to get some one to visit then a shop further from the hub. ( example )
if i spend my money at the first shop i see then i don't have any for the shop that's further away.

clubs i can tell you from experience i have had some of the best locations most expensive at some clubs and sold nothing. people don't go to clubs to shop they go to clubs to dance and socialise in my experience.

flame away its true telehub land is more valuable then land further away.

and if you hang around a tele hub for a little bit you will see some people do hang around for a little bit and you will even see these people take some time and venture in to a shop near the hub. it may not be a lot but it does not take a lot of people buying things in your shop for you to make a little profit.

just my 2 cents from my own personal experience

thank you! this is what I'm looking for. I honestly don't know these things because I shop in SL like I do in RL, I know where I'm going, I'm on a mission, and nothing near the telehub has time to rez before I'm gone. I personally avoid malls if possible because I can never find exactly what I'm looking for, but when I was newer I did go to malls and look around. How much do you think it would hurt if people were allowed to teleport p2p for a fee, where those with $L to burn would use it, and those who don't have a lot of $L would still travel the normal way? I just think this would be a good thing for LL to consider, not even right now, but, consider this as an option for removing $L from the economy before cutting into stipends. Maybe then there would be less griping about LL favoring the businesses and not caring about those who do not run businesses. *fully acknowledges that I am someone who gripes about this as someone who refuses to buy $L, has had no luck in making anything people will buy, and doesn't really want the hassle of a SL job on top of my RL ones*

i think some kind of p2p teleporting will be implemented at some time in the future.
my personal feeling is they should make it very expensive for the privilege.



as for the telehubs from the names of people that buy from me i can tell you there not all noobs. it may be that because i chose to put my shops mostly in telehub malls and not confine my self to only one or two main locations that i do well at my mall shops. people see my logo and know they are getting an original crucial creation.
i would also like to say all my shops are low profile only 15 meters tall max. and i try to make them as pleasing as i can for the people that shop my stores. my telehub malls that i own are also made in a way that i would call pleasing. if you visit any one of the 4 promenade malls you will see that the lay out and decor are done in a way to make it look nice and to be an enjoyable experience for every one.

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this is not to say that there are a few inconsiderate people that build huge sky scrapers right next to a hub. but those are few. and yes there are some telehubs that just look like junk yards but that's life no matter where you go there will always be people that don't care and are only looking for the almighty dollar and they know there stuff is crap and they try to attract your attention with all kinds of gimmicks. but once again this is the minority it is unfortunate that this minority make every one at the telhub look bad.

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and there is a simple way to think why hub land is more valuable 3 words will say it. and this is true in real life and is true in second life

location location location.

Again, thank you for explaining! Prokovy took some time to explain to me in-world too. I understand that the value is real and not imaginary. What I am wondering is if the owners of land near these telehubs would be willing to try a 30-60 day trial p2ptp for a fee period to see if anyone uses the feature, if it impacts businesses besides land deals near the telehubs as negatively as expected, and if it has any effect on balancing the $L in and $L out of the economy. I don't want anyone's SL experience to suffer, that includes both businesses and people who depend on their stipends. The only reason I don't think land dealers should be included is because if they are the only ones negatively impacted then it will be obvious that the ones who deal in telehub land are just exploiting a myth...or as suggested in another thread, perhaps a trial region of the mainland.

In reality LL isn't even considering this at this time so it's nothing to fear. I'm just doing some personal research to try to better understand all the why's in SL in hopes of being able to accept future changes in as graceful a manner as possible.

Thank you to anyone who takes the time to explain their opinion of telehubs and their value.

I think a trial period would be WONDERFUL. While my primary *PREEN* store is practically sitting on top of a telehub, I would gladly surrender any of those benefits for the ability to get to where I wanna go when I wanna go there.