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Is Second Life really a US state?

Tren Neva
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07-28-2005 07:43
From: Deirdre Boyer
Thank you, Margaret. It's a little bit hard for me right now, to really understand the emotions flaring up on this. I guess, I would not have put up the poll, if I knew ...


Not at all. It's trying to explain that it has nothing to do with being "polite", and more along the lines of "practical".
Doc Nielsen
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07-28-2005 08:08
From: Cristiano Midnight
Ah but the Eurocentric attitude is good, eh? We are talking about the reality of events being scheduled RIGHT NOW, not off in the future. The reality is that the player population of SL is overwhelmingly American. The stress test event in particular needs the maximum number of players available. While it is all well and good how many people are in Wales or Suriname, it doesn't change the fact that it makes business sense for them to choose a time period that guarantees them the largest pool of players to assist them.



Nope Cris, not Eurocentric, GLOBAL. That's the way SL has to go to expand.

I wasn't talking about LL's daft plan to bring the system to it's knees, we don't need a 'log-a-thon' to do that, any fairly busy day is perfectly capable of doing it...

I was simply talking about the current preoccupation with US (West Coast US at that) timing for various events.

Though the solution to that isn't going to be easy.

Three versions of each event? Seems a bit impractical.

Divide SL into timezones by area? Now that might be fun, slip across to another timezone when your 'native' timezone gets lagged by too many users! Maintain residences in all three zones!

Maybe the main continent should run on LL time, the new continent on Asian time and have a second new continent running on Euro Time?
(In which case can the second new continent PLEASE have some decent land textures, more imaginative landscaping and a bit less protected land?)
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Eboni Khan
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07-28-2005 10:06
From: Doc Nielsen
Maybe the main continent should run on LL time, the new continent on Asian time and have a second new continent running on Euro Time?
(In which case can the second new continent PLEASE have some decent land textures, more imaginative landscaping and a bit less protected land?)




Are there currently enought international users to support this and make is PROFITABLE. I know most Europeans are used to flat economies (not a dig, just a fact) but in the US Businesses are expected to profit and profit well. Also, are people willing to pay higher fees to cover the additional support cost?


Also to use your own words, you are not thinking Global. You are coming to the US, San Francisco, but expecting people to conform to your time needs? When you visit foreign countries do you demand they speak your native tongue?
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07-28-2005 10:18
This thread has become totaly depraved.... from being a serious one to something small children to in the sandbox.. throwing sand at the other children.. but this time between grown ups (I hope we all are?)...

Some more serious ones in this thread want to tell ideeas.. for the coming SL life.. some only see all things as a war between europe and usa.. lay off... stop.. PLS!!!

Sit down for a while and think.. long.. ger!
Doc Nielsen
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07-28-2005 10:24
From: Eboni Khan
Are there currently enought international users to support this and make is PROFITABLE. I know most Europeans are used to flat economies (not a dig, just a fact) but in the US Businesses are expected to profit and profit well. Also, are people willing to pay higher fees to cover the additional support cost?


WHAT support? :(

From: Eboni Khan

Also to use your own words, you are not thinking Global. You are coming to the US, San Francisco, but expecting people to conform to your time needs?


Um, was that a question, or a statement?

Anyway, I'm not expecting anyone to conform to my local time - if something is scheduled for an inconvenient time I just don't bother with it. No big deal. Just the event looses my support - multplied by all the other residents based outside North America.

My POINT was that as the rest of the world represents a bigger market than North America, and LL presumably wants to expand, thinking on a global basis would be a smart move...


From: Eboni Khan
When you visit foreign countries do you demand they speak your native tongue?


No, not even when I visit North America...
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All very well for people to have a sig that exhorts you to 'be the change' - I wonder if it's ever occurred to them that they might be something that needs changing...?
Tren Neva
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07-28-2005 10:59
From: Doc Nielsen

My POINT was that as the rest of the world represents a bigger market than North America, and LL presumably wants to expand, thinking on a global basis would be a smart move...


The POINT is that what you're saying is not the situation at all. When most of the time the max amount of players on is around 2000-2500 and 90%+ of which being in North America, its not practical to hire extra employees or do overtime to cater to their needs {their 'needs' meaning being on at the same time as offical events, which I find odd because offical events are rare, and usally last a few days}. Yes, it would be nice for LL and us if they made SL more global, but just because its nice doesn't mean its feasable. At least not yet. Maybe in another year or two though.
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07-28-2005 11:21
From: Tren Neva
The POINT is that what you're saying is not the situation at all.


Oh really, what I'm saying is the rest of the world represents a bigger market than North America - and that's 'not the situation at all'?

ROTFLMAO!

Get real, please...

From: Tren Neva
When most of the time the max amount of players on is around 2000-2500 and 90%+ of which being in North America


Interesting figures, the 2-2500 sounds about right, but 90% from North America? Where did you get that figure from?
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All very well for people to have a sig that exhorts you to 'be the change' - I wonder if it's ever occurred to them that they might be something that needs changing...?
Tren Neva
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07-28-2005 12:09
From: Doc Nielsen
Oh really, what I'm saying is the rest of the world represents a bigger market than North America - and that's 'not the situation at all'?

ROTFLMAO!

Get real, please...



Interesting figures, the 2-2500 sounds about right, but 90% from North America? Where did you get that figure from?


First off, I'm not arguing the fact that the world is bigger then North America, I'm saying North Americans out number the rest of the world in SL population. And that 90% is just a guess from my year or so in SL. About 1 out of 20 people I meet are from North America, so I say 90% because I obviously haven't ment everyone.
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07-28-2005 12:14
From: Tren Neva
First off, I'm not arguing the fact that the world is bigger then North America, I'm saying North Americans out number the rest of the world in SL population. And that 90% is just a guess from my year or so in SL. About 1 out of 20 people I meet are from North America, so I say 90% because I obviously haven't ment anyone.



Say what?

*wanders away counting on fingers, muttering and shaking head in disbelief*
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All very well for people to have a sig that exhorts you to 'be the change' - I wonder if it's ever occurred to them that they might be something that needs changing...?
Tren Neva
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07-28-2005 12:20
From: Doc Nielsen
Say what?

*wanders away counting on fingers, muttering and shaking head in disbelief*


Ment everyone. Anyways, you're trying to accomendate a North American based company to fit your schedual better, and you're being a real wanker while doing it {saying things like it would be 'polite' if they did events to fit your time, making it sound like we're being rude by not doing so. You know you're doing this, and I'm not going to argue with you about that}. And the fact is, it's not going to happen. Or at least it won't for another year or two if it does. SL isn't big or strong enough to offically go international yet.
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07-28-2005 13:06
From: Tren Neva
Ment everyone. Anyways, you're trying to accomendate a North American based company to fit your schedual better, and you're being a real wanker while doing it {saying things like it would be 'polite' if they did events to fit your time, making it sound like we're being rude by not doing so. You know you're doing this, and I'm not going to argue with you about that}. And the fact is, it's not going to happen. Or at least it won't for another year or two if it does. SL isn't big or strong enough to offically go international yet.



Um, you do get easily confused don't you? Poor math and failing to read the thread properly... :rolleyes:

1 out of 20 is 5% - not 10%, and you got it back to front too!
If one out of every twenty you met were North American then 95% of the people you met must have been from outside North America!
Which would kind of demolish your own argument...
Never mind - I realise you meant to say that 9 out of 10 people you met were North American, which meant only 10% of us come from outside North America, but seriously, those are hardly valid statistics, are they? Your personal straw poll. I think you might be surprised how many of us come from other locations, I know it constantly surprises me.

The other point, about me being 'a real wanker' (ooooh! Forum Rule Violation! Personal Abuse! Never mind, I think you are safe, Jeska probably doesn't understand the term. LOL).

Anyway, you just directed your abuse at the wrong person my friend. I didn't make any comments about it being 'polite' to offer international events, my arguments were based on sound demographics and sensible business practice.
The person you should be calling 'a real wanker' (extremely distasteful term that...) is Deirdre Boyer, the originator of the thread, for it was she, not me, who made the suggestion that seems to have raised your ire...

Now, I made my point, you completely failed to make yours in any coherent fashion, so let's just drop this, shall we?
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Tren Neva
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07-29-2005 18:57
From: Doc Nielsen
Um, you do get easily confused don't you? Poor math and failing to read the thread properly... :rolleyes:

1 out of 20 is 5% - not 10%, and you got it back to front too!
If one out of every twenty you met were North American then 95% of the people you met must have been from outside North America!
Which would kind of demolish your own argument...
Never mind - I realise you meant to say that 9 out of 10 people you met were North American, which meant only 10% of us come from outside North America, but seriously, those are hardly valid statistics, are they? Your personal straw poll. I think you might be surprised how many of us come from other locations, I know it constantly surprises me.

The other point, about me being 'a real wanker' (ooooh! Forum Rule Violation! Personal Abuse! Never mind, I think you are safe, Jeska probably doesn't understand the term. LOL).

Anyway, you just directed your abuse at the wrong person my friend. I didn't make any comments about it being 'polite' to offer international events, my arguments were based on sound demographics and sensible business practice.
The person you should be calling 'a real wanker' (extremely distasteful term that...) is Deirdre Boyer, the originator of the thread, for it was she, not me, who made the suggestion that seems to have raised your ire...

Now, I made my point, you completely failed to make yours in any coherent fashion, so let's just drop this, shall we?


Hey moonpie, I said 10% because I haven't met everyone in SL.
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