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Point to Point Teleport - L$ or Free?

Should Point to Point Teleport cost L$?

No! Free!
35 (37.2%)

Yes - Same fee regardless of distance
19 (20.2%)

Yes - Fee scaled by distance of teleport
24 (25.5%)

Other
4 (4.3%)

Pecan Pie - (Not Cheese! NEVER CHEESE!)
12 (12.8%)

Total votes: 94
Jauani Wu
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08-21-2005 18:00
Do you think point to point teleport should cost money? if so, how should it be determined?

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Enabran Templar
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08-21-2005 18:01
Small, flat fee to skim a few hundred thousand Lindens off the money supply and discourage over-use of direct teleportation.
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Eboni Khan
Misanthrope
Join date: 17 Mar 2004
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08-21-2005 18:05
Flat Fee per month for the privilage of point to point teleport, as outlined in my money sink thread.
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Enabran Templar
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08-21-2005 18:07
From: Eboni Khan
Flat Fee per month for the privilage of point to point teleport, as outlined in my money sink thread.


Can we compromise on a weekly fee, like the parcel directory, and allow a la carte point-to-point for a flat fee per teleport?
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Lora Morgan
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08-21-2005 18:30
I voted yes/scaled by distance. I'm curious if it would help create a sense of place and geography.
Eboni Khan
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08-21-2005 19:07
From: Enabran Templar
Can we compromise on a weekly fee, like the parcel directory, and allow a la carte point-to-point for a flat fee per teleport?



I'm no fan of compromise, I am really a "my way or the highway" kind of broad, but yeah weekly fee is fine as long as they keep the price above free (25, 50, 100L are all basically the equal to free) and the price is something over 150L a week.
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Bob Bravo
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08-21-2005 19:31
Free. I'm cheap.

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Bob Bravo
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08-21-2005 19:55
If I was a Linden, and more than just an errand boy for the FIC, I would probably...

- Charge on a sliding scale for distance.
- Impose a minimum distance from point-to-point to prevent people from filling the tp queue to move 50 feet.
- Allow for an llTeleportAgent option in scripts that would ask for permission of the agent it acts upon
- Allow for land owners to set a 'landing point' on their parcels so people can't TP willy-nilly into restricted areas. (or use existing defined point)
- Start charging for Offer Teleport
- Create a queue for teleports with a designated slot number visible to the agent so they can opt to cancel the teleport before it commences.
- Figure out some method for selecting a nearby group of agents to mass-teleport them all at once, with required dialog and all, including a fee.
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Smiley Sneerwell
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Join date: 6 Jun 2005
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08-21-2005 20:21
Free

Find something else to use as a money sink.

Charging extra for things that should be a normal part of SL is only going to turn off customers. Part of the economic troubles in SL right now is due to slow growth. Things that are likely to turn off new users are not helpful.

Most users probably do not transfer RL money into SL. Many of those will not want to spend what they get in stipend on teleporting. For basic accounts, charging for P-to-P teleporting would be cost prohibitive.

As it appears that it is the group that has money that is asking for money sinks, find a money sink that targets that group.

Greed is good, unless you run off most of your customers because they think you're greedy.
Dnate Mars
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Join date: 27 Jan 2004
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08-21-2005 20:24
Free point to point, as long as the points are telehubs.
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08-21-2005 21:27
From: Smiley Sneerwell
Charging extra for things that should be a normal part of SL is only going to turn off customers. Part of the economic troubles in SL right now is due to slow growth. Things that are likely to turn off new users are not helpful.

Most users probably do not transfer RL money into SL. Many of those will not want to spend what they get in stipend on teleporting. For basic accounts, charging for P-to-P teleporting would be cost prohibitive.

As it appears that it is the group that has money that is asking for money sinks, find a money sink that targets that group.

Greed is good, unless you run off most of your customers because they think you're greedy.


Way back in Beta, teleporting carried a fee. There may have been a few who complained about teleport fees, but most of us lived with them. The bigger thing we bitched about was prim taxes (but that is a topic for another thread). I just don't recall the community making a big fuss over teleport fares. I teleported only if I needed to get somewhere fast. Most of the time, I flew.

I don't think charging for teleporting will turn away potential residents. As long as the top fee doesn't break the bank, people will pay to get somewhere directly.

Bring Point-To-Point back the way it was in Beta. Fee scaled by distance. Also add an extra annoying popup in the client for newbies. Said popup would explain that P2P teleporting carries a fee and telehub teleporting is free. The humble basic account newbie still has an inexpensive option to get around that also encourages them to explore the world.
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Susie Boffin
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Join date: 15 Sep 2004
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08-21-2005 21:30
I don't understand the question.
Burke Prefect
Cafe Owner, Superhero
Join date: 29 Oct 2004
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08-21-2005 21:31
Point-To-Point with a fee would be okay.
Prim Taxes would be insane at this point... unless we taxed prims over the parcel allotment (which people would pay).
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Einsman Schlegel
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Join date: 11 Jun 2003
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08-21-2005 22:58
From: Jauani Wu

"Discuss amongst yourselves"


We'll do that thanks!
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Siggy Romulus
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08-22-2005 00:35
Fee - scaled by distance as it was when I joined in 1.0

BUT

Retain telehubs as free transportation.

Pay for a convenience... seems like an ok thing to me.


Siggy.
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PetGirl Bergman
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08-22-2005 00:41
FREE! Of course!! I pay for using SL..
Jauani Wu
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08-22-2005 00:47
From: Siggy Romulus
Fee - scaled by distance as it was when I joined in 1.0
BUT
Retain telehubs as free transportation.
Pay for a convenience... seems like an ok thing to me..


i like this suggestion a lot!
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Cristiano Midnight
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08-22-2005 02:13
From: Siggy Romulus
Fee - scaled by distance as it was when I joined in 1.0

BUT

Retain telehubs as free transportation.

Pay for a convenience... seems like an ok thing to me.


Siggy.


It would also add a minor, but useful, money sink, if the fees are kept reasonable.

PS - I cannot endorse a poll that denounces cheese.
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Jsecure Hanks
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Join date: 9 Dec 2003
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08-22-2005 02:21
Dear goodness, now you people want a tax on MOVING? What's next, a tax on blinking? what I like about SL is it's a reasonably free place. If you start taxing movment, you'll just screw it all up.
Hiro Pendragon
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08-22-2005 02:27
I've been thinking about point to point tping more and more.

I've been thinking about the way the internet works now.

I think landowners should be able to set "teleport to landing point" of land. -- the same location it's listed as in the Find search.

Pros:
1. Much less bandwidth usage for people flying from telehubs to end locations.
2. The WWW allows you to type in a webpage, and if you have permission, go there immediately. Why should SL be any different?
3. Rather than an artificial type quasi-zoning by nearness to hub, a more natural grouping of places will evolve.
4. No more "sign in your flight path" syndrome.

Cons:
1. People fear change.
2. There will be wide changes in land prices. Some areas near telehubs will plummet in value and dwell. Other places will increase in price.
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Jsecure Hanks
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08-22-2005 02:33
I think you're right. Until SL becomes sensible and open, in that you can go where you want without superficial costs or delays, it will remain a game. Dispute SL is a game? Then why do we have to dance around telehubs and fly into signs. Why can't we go where we want when we want, like the HTTP Protocol.

And why should it cost us money?
Siggy Romulus
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08-22-2005 02:43
because its a game :P
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Nolan Nash
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08-22-2005 02:45
From: Siggy Romulus
because its a game :P

I just made it to level 50 - they better add more levels or I am going back to EQ!
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Siggy Romulus
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08-22-2005 02:50
From: Nolan Nash
I just made it to level 50 - they better add more levels or I am going back to EQ!


Did you defeat the end of level linden and take her +7 Hair of lag?

I'm stuck on the level with the particle dancefloor.

On another train of thought... MOO - game or platform?
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Nolan Nash
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08-22-2005 03:06
From: Siggy Romulus
Did you defeat the end of level linden and take her +7 Hair of lag?
Yes, and then I used the hair to make a +10 toupee of withering!

From: Siggy Romulus
I'm stuck on the level with the particle dancefloor.
That was a hard level! You have to say "OMFG i luv ur skin where did u buy it?!", while cybering a married, 450 pound guy from New Jersey. It's rough, but well worth it.

From: Siggy Romulus
On another train of thought... MOO - game or platform?
Depends. Pern or not Pern?
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