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blaze Spinnaker
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08-30-2005 22:12
My question was the only on topic one that wasn't answered.

I have fans everywhere!

Still.. I'd really like to know if you have a moment:

How will selling currency via LL effect gambling in SecondLife?
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Weedy Herbst
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08-30-2005 22:22
From: blaze Spinnaker
My question was the only on topic one that wasn't answered.

I have fans everywhere!

Still.. I'd really like to know if you have a moment:

How will selling currency via LL effect gambling in SecondLife?


LOOKIT ME LOOKIT ME....Hey! over here LOOKIT ME!
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08-30-2005 22:27
From: blaze Spinnaker
My question was the only on topic one that wasn't answered.

I have fans everywhere!

Still.. I'd really like to know if you have a moment:

How will selling currency via LL effect gambling in SecondLife?


wow blaze, you're like SL's Geraldo.
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Nolan Nash
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08-30-2005 22:35
From: Beau Perkins
wow blaze, you're like SL's Geraldo.

Hey now, Play Fair Mr!
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Weedy Herbst
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08-30-2005 23:09
Please Mr, just one song.
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Enabran Templar
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08-30-2005 23:13
Aww, our poor little tiger, they just don't understand you! Of course you didn't get your question answered, you're too smart for them! They were obviously intimidated that such a bright little fellow would come up with such an incisive question. How could they even try to answer something like that?

Don't feel bad, champ, we know the truth.
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blaze Spinnaker
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08-30-2005 23:16
Get a job
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Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :

"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."
Nolan Nash
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08-30-2005 23:16
From: Enabran Templar
Aww, our poor little tiger, they just don't understand you! Of course you didn't get your question answered, you're too smart for them! They were obviously intimidated that such a bright little fellow would come up with such an incisive question. How could they even try to answer something like that?

Don't feel bad, champ, we know the truth.

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blaze Spinnaker
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08-30-2005 23:17
This is like a who's who of obsessed about Blaze Spinnaker. You guys should have a club meeting with Philip.

Now, I'm just waiting for Chip Midnight to post and we'll bet set!
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Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :

"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."
Enabran Templar
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08-30-2005 23:19
Just got my first post-college job, actually, thanks for asking! Start on Thursday!

What a considerate young fellow he is! Here ya go, here's a nickel. Buy yourself a licorice whip.
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blaze Spinnaker
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08-30-2005 23:22
Well, congratulations on your new found employment.
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Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :

"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."
Lisse Livingston
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08-30-2005 23:23
Philip couldn't answer blaze's question because Philip is blaze. ;)

(alternative answer: as he was copying and pasting from the forum himself, perhaps he has blaze on ignore and so didn't see it)
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Nolan Nash
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08-30-2005 23:24
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blaze Spinnaker
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08-30-2005 23:24
Yeah, he probably does. :(

I wonder how big his ignore list is?
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Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :

"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."
Hiro Pendragon
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08-30-2005 23:32
From: blaze Spinnaker
My question was the only on topic one that wasn't answered.

I have fans everywhere!

Still.. I'd really like to know if you have a moment:

How will selling currency via LL effect gambling in SecondLife?

Maybe Philip shares my penchant for using homonyms correctly? *evil grin*

effect is a noun.

Okay, seriously though ... I saw him avoid other questions too. Maybe he doesn't have an immediate answer, and will contemplate it? That's what I figure.
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blaze Spinnaker
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08-30-2005 23:38
Which other question (on topic) did he avoid from the question thread?

And, yes, my grammar is terrible.
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Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :

"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."
Enabran Templar
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08-30-2005 23:43
Hey, tiger, looks like maybe we jumped the gun. He probably didn't answer your question because he probably thought that this QA exchange summed up his position pretty well.

I think that's silly, though, since you obviously deserve your question read over all the others, because it was much smarter and better articulated. Don't let it get you down.


Philip Linden: Mulch Ennui: Is the Attorney General of the State of California aware that LL, by endorsing within the SL application, has given actual monetary Value of the currency being traded
Philip Linden: (ie creating it's own currency) and how will this effect things like labor laws for payments, sales taxe collection, legal issues pertaining to gambling, income tax and such.
Philip Linden: A: Without digression its lots of legal detail - We don't think we are breaking any laws, and certainly don't intend to.
Philip Linden: As a follow on though ... we should get our lawyer in here for a town hall. He is actually a fun guy
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Hiro Pendragon
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08-30-2005 23:46
From: blaze Spinnaker
Yeah, he probably does. :(

I wonder how big his ignore list is?

There was another person who asked like a 5-part question and only 2 parts were answered. (from what I remember off the top of my head)
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blaze Spinnaker
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08-30-2005 23:47
Well, I'm sure LL isn't breaking any laws, they're an ISP.

It would be like saying my local provider is breaking laws because I can view illegal content on the web.
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Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :

"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."
blaze Spinnaker
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08-30-2005 23:50
Well, I'm not super serious about the title, Hiro. That was more just me poking fun at Philip. (Unless he does have me on ignore, then it was so he'd actually see my message to him! sheesh!)

I'm more wondering about how this will actually affect gambling in SL.
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Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :

"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."
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08-31-2005 07:32
From: blaze Spinnaker
I wonder how big his ignore list is?
All's I know is that I -- hate-filled and bile-spewing, Jarod Godel -- am not on it. Bwahahaha!!!

*runs back under his bridge*
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Surina Skallagrimson
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08-31-2005 09:15
From: Hiro Pendragon
There was another person who asked like a 5-part question and only 2 parts were answered. (from what I remember off the top of my head)


It's better than that Hiro, he DID answer all the parts of my question at the time, but the answer to three of those parts appear to have been edited out of the official transcript...

That must surely make me FIC Queen ;)

My Question
Philip Linden: Surina Skallagrimson: a) How does LL intend to counter the fraud threats that GOM has had to soak up? b) Would the currency exchange be open to trial user accounts? c) Would the exchange be avaiable on the teen grid?
Philip Linden: d) Would the exchange only be avaiable to "new" users, referencing Philips concirn about new users... e) What commission rate would LL be charging. f) Would LL charge "sellers" to use the exchange?

Philips answer according to the transcript
Philip Linden: (wow that's a lot of questions)
Philip Linden: a) It is somewhat easier for LL to track fraud, because we can see the detailed transaction history of both buyers and sellers and look for activity that may be suspicious.
Philip Linden: e) We haven't yet settled on rates, or whether both buyer and seller will be charges fees.


But I clearly remember him saying "b) c) d) Everyone" or something along those lines... (I wish I'd recorded my own transcript)

Now this is important, because b) relates to trial users, and therefor high fraud possibilities, and c) was asking about the TeenGrid. and he replied "Everyone". and yet it has been edited out... hmmmmm...
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08-31-2005 10:40
Here you go.

From: someone
Philip Linden: Surina Skallagrimson: a) How does LL intend to counter the fraud threats that GOM has had to soak up? b) Would the currency exchange be open to trial user accounts? c) Would the exchange be avaiable on the teen grid?
Philip Linden: d) Would the exchange only be avaiable to "new" users, referencing Philips concirn about new users... e) What commission rate would LL be charging. f) Would LL charge "sellers" to use the exchange?
Philip Linden: (wow that's a lot of questions)
Philip Linden: a) It is somewhat easier for LL to track fraud, because we can see the detailed transaction history of both buyers and sellers and look for activity that may be suspicious.
Philip Linden: b/c/d) The exchange will be available to all residents having a valid form of payment registered with LL.
Philip Linden: e) We haven't yet settled on rates, or whether both buyer and seller will be charges fees.
Jeska Linden
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08-31-2005 10:44
This line "Philip Linden: b/c/d) The exchange will be available to all residents having a valid form of payment registered with LL." did fall out of the transcript accidentally and will be returned to the transcript. There were over 40,000 characters in the Town Hall yesterday and we use a parser to remove all extraneous (non-Linden) comments, it must've been removed. I apologize!
Eggy Lippmann
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08-31-2005 11:17
Dont worry blaze, he hates me too ;)
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