Can you US Copyright a Prim?

Actually I would like this information for my own personal knowledge. If you have a real C&D letter you should have no issues with posting it.

How can a business not have a phone number? A call to 411 provides no phone number for Relic.

There is no listing for any business with "Relic" in its name at www.hoovers.com. Does Relic have any business credit? etc?


I did find a Relic Corporation in Las Vegas at D&B

RELIC CORPORATION
1900 SIERRA OAKS LN
LAS VEGAS , NV
Type of Location: single

but that is a residental address....

Same company outdated location?

Siggy,
you will find it next door to Alternate Reality Comics across from UNLV. Behind the Wendy's. This is the same shopping center as Balcony Lights.

There is contractor work with tile and paint and a mess of stock waiting for contractors to finish for a Fall open. The phone number is private right now since the shop is not open to the public during this construction.

I am not the business owner. If a case happens it is between her and this person so please direct correspondence to her. Drop it under the door if you like but it has to go to this person.

So you are preventing people from creating items in SL that you may create in the RL at a later date? Have any sample images? I'm sure you can export something from CAD for us real quick.

If you are going to threaten people with legal action you need to back it up better.

hmm - google doesn't know a relic furniture.

Relic Furniture isn't a registered trademark as far as I can see. There are lots of Relics registered as trademarks - but none in Las Vegas....

Currently Baron Grayson is a griefer, and people that he has harassed should file an abuse report. Unless he can provide some public information/proof, is just a griefer who is griefing people with faux legal threats.

I am eagarly awaiting my email. Thanks!

I usually suggest people direct legal complaints to my complaints department

hehhe - hows that for a web presence?

I'm completely and thoroughly disgusted by the behavior of those who condon obvious plagiarism. Trade marked or not.. real life company or not.. registered or not - none of that matters. It does matter yes...but not for what I'm about to say.

What matters is honoring and respecting the creative rights of all.

And just so we're clear, it's not about copying a prim-it's about copying a design.. PRIM FOR PRIM. Someone calling themselves a designer who simply clicks on another designers creative work of art..and recreates it .. PRIM FOR PRIM. The end result being an exact duplicate of someone else's creative work... then turning around and selling it as their own work.

And you want me to condon this behavior? I think not. I'm disgusted with people who do this.

We're all here to inspire each other...many times I fly around in world and come across a fantastic build that moves me... it inspires me to create a peice of furniture or a series...it's what I love most about SL.. the shared creative process.

However I will never respect or understand those who choose to duplicate and copy someone else's work.

It's just wrong and unethical. And yes.. it's plagiarism.

What I have to say to these people is this... tap into your own creativity, explore your mind and God given talent.. stop copying others and you'll find that you'll create the most wonderous things.

Sincerely,
Sky Everett.

Yes we all agree with that.


This thread is now about falsely threatening people with RL legal action when you have no RL legal rights.

You said:
Currently Baron Grayson is a griefer, and people that he has harassed should file an abuse report. Unless he can provide some public information/proof, is just a griefer who is griefing people with faux legal threats.



I've known Baron a very long time and consider him a close personal friend. Never in my time of knowing him has he griefed, harassed or abused anyone. I take your comment above as a personal insult and am here to defend his honor and integrity.

Your accusations are false and frankly I believe you need to make a public apology for your unfounded poor choice of words.

You're wrong Eboni.. this thread is about protecting artistic rights.

I see no false accusations on his part. Considering Baron has posted an address as well as directions and exact location to the Relic shop.

Furthermore, with matters of the law they are best handled within the legal system.. not in the forums. He is under no obligation to disclose any information to you or anyone else...frankly he has offered you more information that I ever would within the confines of a forum such as this.

Sincerely,
Sky Everett

The problem with all of this is Baron's own words. He is protecting RL work in SL. The problem with this is the RL work has yet to be created, so there is nothing to protect. The business barely/doesn't exist and has no phone number, and no incorporation record. There is no Relic at that address even by his own admission. And any thing could be in the process of being build at that address.


If he is going to threaten people in SL with RL legal action then he needs to provide some proof which he has not. The burden of proof is on him, otherwise he looks like a liar. Baron is listed online on this forum, why isnt he defending himself and instead is sending you in to do it?

All of a Corporations information is public, so is copyright, and trademark. If Relic is indeed a RL company and is using SL as a testing grounds they should have no problems providing that information. Until that time Relic is fiction.



We are still waiting Baron.

excuse me? Sending me in to do it? You mistake me for someone who doesn't have a voice or an opinion...and I think I've made myself clear on this subject.

Consider this the last post to this rediculous thread.

S.E.

Skye you could post about your ceiling fan patent in SL. I am curious how you own the rights to all ceiling fans in SL.

..The mark of whether a business does or not exist is not a physical address, but rather documents such as incorporation papers, tax numbers, legal permits, that sort of thing. Ask most cab drivers; they can tell you the same.

As far as Baron's situation, erm, personally I think he's protecting his RL employer's work, and I think he might have a legal leg to stand on.. BUT. I'm not an attorney. I'm assuming that no one posting here is either. But I am betting Relic's owner in Las Vegas indeed is in touch with one? *shrug* Just a guess.


Basically, Baron, we're all fulla hot air, and you know what they say about opinions.. "Everyone's got one, and they all stink..." *grins*

Was this way out of left field for anyone else?

If they are in touch with an attorney, why are they asking Baron to represent them and to serve a C&D, when he himself states that he is not an attorney? Seems a bit odd.

First I will admit most of my knowledge of the law comes from such reliable sorces as "Law & Order" and "CSU".

Now to state my uninformed opinion as is my god-given right...

While I can understand the RL Hammok Creators issues with having their design copied exactly in SL (especially given the possible real-world value of Lindens), I don't believe they can simply prevent anyone else from using the word Relic as a buisness name in SL. I know that in RL there are many companies in different states that use the same name but that are not related to each other. You cannot simply pick a name for a company and declare it your from here to eternity with out pursuing state, federal and international trademarks. Even those only go so far, and this Relic company you are describing doesn't sound like they have even printed buisness cards or put up a sign.

Certainly part of the question would be was the name Relic used by the defendants (those other than the hammock knock-off creators who appear to have had some knowledge of the RL company) in an attempt to pass themselves off as the RL company, or was it just a coincidence that they chose the same name. From the previous posts it actually sounds like the company you are representing has potential trade mark issues with companies that already have a more visible presence (Relic Corporation was mentioned in one post), and may lose thier right to the name if they make too many waves.

As far as trade marking prims goes, I created a half-twisty thing that is sort of green, anyone wanting to incorporate it into thier designs, please let me know.

My eyes are bleeding after reading the ridiculous accusations..i have know Baron for nearly a year.. never ONCE have i seen him be anything but a loyal and true friend. And with great honor and integrity.. and it saddens me to see him besmirched in this way..

and i have seen many knock offs in game of many things..*sighs*

cheers to people with the talent and originality to create so many lovely things and bring them to us in world.. and boss hiss to the copycats and whiners.. shame on you.. try being a bit creative and bold and try something NEW and original... who knows you may actually like it.

And to Baron .. cheers mate.. am proud to call you my friend.

with love,
Anthea

Baron has still yet to back any of his claims. He needs to stop bullying and harassing people in SL with fake threats of fake legal actions when he has no claims.


I have no person stake in this and nothing to gain. I just hate liars and bullies.

* shakes her head~ the name calling should stop.. it is most unpleasant.. and I am sure not a true measure of your personalityand character Eboni.. it seems rather miserable and without cause..



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Come on people this is a game....The supposedly "copyright" hammock did not list anything about Relic and did not have the same textures. I can see if the person used the same textures it would be obvious they were trying to "copyright". Im right with Eboni...."Baron show us the money" as the saying goes. Give us some proof.....or are you just being a whiney baby about all of this. You are not the only hammock creator in SL and never will be. Also very cowardly to send Sky to this person to do some of your dirty work. I know this person and everything they have made has been from their own creative and artistic mind. The hammock in question also rocked back & forth...did yours Baron???? And the sit animations were done specifically for this person also, which are unlike yours Baron. If all I had to moan and groan about was a hammock made in a virtual world it would be a great world. Get on with life people...

This smells fishy to me. Baron, stop threatening people, that's called griefing... or back up your words with some evidence. You know me, you've met me, you know I call it like I see it. I have no idea why you're doing this.

Expecting someone to believe you're going to sue them over something in SL is preposterous. Good attorneys cost at least US$300 per hour. That's L$75000/hour. How many products in SL make L$75000? Not to mention, getting a lawsuit filed with an attorney... they'll take their pound of flesh... at least 20 hours work. So let's say 1.5 million Lindens. Are the in game rights for one object, not even a hot seller, worth that? Of course not.

We're still waiting on patent, trademark or copyright information... or incorporation numbers. Until then, please stop griefing people.

-Flip