An Open Letter to Philip Rosedale and the Entire Linden Lab team

I'm allowing myself an ego trip because Regnar stopped responding after I requested he respond to all that stuff above that he knows darn well he has no good response to. Maybe I'll take myself out to dinner tonight...

Maybe he was banned for life for calling Phillip at 8 in the morning.

That would definitely be a reasonable response.

[I* have asked linden lab to delete my account and have contacted a lawyer.

Oh?
What about this little gem you tossed out there?

"If all you people want your adult content, then have it."

Your transparent goal really shone through with that one Reggie....
Wanting to *clean up* SL...

Your 18+ announcement... it's really just one of the first steps towards this goal isn't it?

See, you're not talking to children here Reg, please don't think that we can't see beyond this facade you have erected.

Isn't that like the 3rd time you've said that?

Yeah, definitely feeling the egostrokage... it's clear Regnar knows his points are invalidated and he's been a general wart to the entire community.

A big thing to understand about Regnar is his history of moralising and preaching.

Reputation is a big thing in SL.

If almost anyone else would have posted Regnar's original post, they would have been taken more seriously.

This is just one in a series of contrived attempts to Purify SL. I actually wouldn't see much wrong with it if the method of purification didn't require constantly telling us what vile disgusting perverts we are.

Okay, Donnie, then if you think you speak the voice of reason in all this, and if you really think Regnar is free of all fault, then I beg you to answer this on his behalf, if not your own.

For ABCD, your options are:

A. Polite
B. Justified
C. Reasonable
D. Respectful

I have an itching feeling that you're either a Regnar alt or a good friend of Regnar, but even if not, you'd still be able to respond to this clearly as Regnar surely couldn't and you seem to think he made a "polite request."

Now, I'll reiterate:

[This passage was initially intended for the reading/response of Regnar:]

I will be more specific for you:

"You know as well as I do that children arent always watched all of the time. It is the responsibility of you and your staff, Mr. Rosedale to help control the content posted by your users especially if children can access this part of this site."

Okay, then why do you keep saying this child (now we know s/he was fake) was supervised?


"Thanks to some irresponsible posters there is an 8 year old little girl that learned some new words. Now dosen't that make you feel real good?"

This goes back to ABCD above. Respond.


"He took down Linden Labs Name and phone # and said he would take care of it after his vacation is over. It's his situation and not mine. I am sure he can and will handle it ."

"Like I said, It is out of my hands. These people are friends of mine and were playing on the computer while I was out. Like I said, It is gonna be taken care by my friend in his own way."

Then why did you call Phillip? There are holes in your story.


"I dislike people that have absolutely no respect for others."

"If all you people want your adult content, then have it. I can only wonder what you are like in real life. So keep being ugly."

ABCD--Respond.


"When it does change I promise you will never hear me complain about it ever again. I promise."

What if your actions cause you to never want to be heard from again anyway? Part of me wants the sticker on the front page so we don't have to deal with your belligerent posts all the time. The other part of me says no, there are enough people in Second Life who don't believe you do--and why do you honestly believe your voice is more important than everyone else's? One more point, why is it that all of the sudden -you- are on the mission instead of your friend?


"The messages in question were something about Lame w2 group and an attention wh*** and so on.
There are several users that also sign their messages with lets say (as spock in star trek 3 said) colorful metaphores."

Children at the age of 8--and you should know this, Regnar, being a teacher--are just leaving preoperational thinking and moving into concrete thinking. Concrete thinkers do not grasp metaphors. It takes the development of formal operational thinking, which begins at early adolescence, to truly grasp abstract concepts. The 8 year old could not have cognitively recognized the metaphors you speak of, further showing that she does not exist to begin with. (Check Piaget's model of cognitive development.)


"Comments I dont mind. Personal insults I do mind.
have a nice day people."

Requesting a response is not a personal attack. If you cannot find means to justify yourself and you consider that grounds for personal attack, then you are still in the concrete operational phase of development and you firmly believe that "If you knew what I knew, then you'd be as smart as me." Time to move forward; unfortunately for you, we aren't preoperational like your elementary school students--you can't play games and make demands with us the way it sounds like you would treat your own students. We're over 18 years of age, formal operational, and we aren't going to tolerate your self-righteous demands when we don't believe you are right.

Donnie,

You have clearly overlooked the fact that Regnar came into this thread not making a "simple request". He started out by blaming Linden Labs for not doing their "responsibility" of protecting children from access to adult content. That is the statement that set off so many people, as it is another example of shifting blame instead of taking personal responsibility. The only people at fault in this situation were Regnar and his friend.

You do have to consider the source. Regnar has had a history of a) crying wolf on frivilous topics b) stirring up quite a lot of drama on his own b) being on a one man crusade to clean up SL and tell everyone how in the wrong they always are. Just as Christopher Nomad has a well established history in these forums of posting racist, homophobic and incendiary posts that do not get taken seriously, Regnar has his own history of posts that lament the demise of SL to not meet his puritanical sandards. That definitely affects the way his message is received.

There is a major difference between "This is your fault! You caused this, and now it is your responsibility to fix it because you weren't doing your job and now an 8 year old is scared for life and aren't you proud of that?" and "I have concerns about the content of open forums, and think that some type of advisory should exist on the site, or the forums should be locked down to members only". Mind you we are talking about the phrases "lame ass" and "attention whore" as being so horribly scarring to children that SecondLife.com should have a warning splash page like any common porn site.

I do find it interesting that you rally against name calling, and proceed to refer to Daemioth as a troublemaker and a dramatic poster, and tell all those who responded how immature they are, that it is our fault this thread was moved, and that Regnar is nothing but a gentleman. Daemioth is a level headed person who had the audacity to ask Regnar to back up his statements and blatant contradictions in this thread, which is the hallmark of any thread by Regnar. You do not in fact know the motivation behind moving the post, as you are not a Linden Labs employee- it should have been in the rants forum from initial posting. Regnar misposted it. He was ranting/complaining about Linden Labs providing access to children. Your posts are no more unbiased than anyone elses, but you criticize others. That is your right to do so, but don't claim that you and Regnar have some moral superiority over others or that your behavior is somehow beyond reproach, because the facts just do not support that.

Cristiano

PS - I am sure you will point to me as one of the people who have abused Regnar in this thread. If me calling Regnar a loon is TOSable, I would imagine your calling Daemioth a troublemaker is equally so, as loon is no more incendiary than troublemaker. I always find it interesting when someone takes a stand against something, and winds up doing the same thing.

It's sad when the only person who agrees with you is your alternate account avatar. It's sadder when your alterego still can't explain the ego's character.

And it's worse when the alterego still can't escape the hypocrisy that is the ego. If I had an alternate self, I'd at least want to make a few changes.

Woah Donnie, you are not only insulting, but you are a pot stirrer too. A drama starter indeed. Not to mention it is obvious that you and I are not reading the same thread. You lost all credibilty and respect for any reasonable statements you may have tried to make. Sad.

I really couldnt say it better than Cristiano, but I do want to bring up the fact once again as has many before me.....that the open letter to Phillip is :

1) utter nonsense.....Phillip cannot control what goes on in others homes and its just totally silly for someone to suggest that anyone but the adults in that house hold is responsible for any minor accessability to any adult content weather it be on the web, tv, books and other such things of the like.
Come on.....and by suggestion of such...you are holding our whole community to blame. I am sorry for anyones slip up in parenting breakdowns...but to push off the blame...sorry. It is not that of LL, Phillip, or and of the SL members who posted here responsibility to monitor Mr Bells house hold and frankly he wouldnt like my nose snooping around his personal business to critique his ability to over see and manage guests, friends, relatives and their children while in his house hold

2) to post it to begin with....is nothing more than atroll and a bit of a brag. Which even though Phillip is someone special, it turns my stomach and earns no points with me to name drop and I am sure that anyone who was serious would not have bothered to cast a line here....why is it so important to Mr Bell as to what we think. I am sure he would say it doesnt...but face it.....we all know the name of the thread is a total attention WHORE and he titled it such to be an attention WHORE!

3) if you really want people to take you seriously .... and you want your topic to be taken seriously....you will always get better feedback with sugar and not vinager. The total approach was wrong wrong wrong and nothing more than a rant or a whine.....and to be....hehe ....you know whats coming.....an ATTENTION WHORE.


lastly......you should read up on how to win people with kindness.....you should take a course in meet the public. You could do with listening more and speaking less.....and its sad to say....but you have not one ounce of respect with me...and from what I have read our community would like you more if you were just....not here. This is a good que for you...if you did this to be really serious....you have alot of rethinking....if you did it for a joke....you shouldnt quit your day job....the comedy world will do fine with out you.

wishing you all good things....you really need them

jolene

Notice you did not respond to comments on your hypocrisy. I at no time ever said I thought it was funny that she was griefed to the point of quitting. Candie and I had our own differences at the time (and I ended up buying her boardwalk when she sold it), and I was amused at the dramatic gesture of putting her land up for sale and calling her bluff. You will also notice threads where I have specifically said that no one, including Candie, deserves to have their events griefed. Feel free to misrepresent something you claim I said - I will just in turn deny having said it. I am not quite sure what you are babbling about anyway, as I did not ask you to believe anything. I could care less if I have your support or approval, as your opinion is meaningless to me. Thank god we have you review all of the threads for us and to tell us what troublemakers we are and stand in judgement of us, whatever would we do without you?

Cristiano

Edit - I actually do recall the day of the boardwalk purchase, and the person who was there was not you Donnie, it was Regnar. I remember speaking to him specifically about Candie, and noting that he seemed to be one of her supporters, so I backed off in talking about it. Interesting that you have a recollection of my conversation with REGNAR.

Very interesting Cristiano. Good catch!

Would using an alternate account in the way Regnar is be considered some kind of TOS violation?

Most likely not. It definitely would be considered bad form though.

Interacting with alt-accounts is always amusing/surreal. I am not sure that is what is going on here, but I have noticed that Donnie's posts are starting to rapidly deteriorate in the same way Regnar's do. Whether they are one person or two, they have shown themselves incapable of fully discussing anything. When you point out holes you can drive a truck through in their comments, they ignore it and respond to things you did not even say. If you stay on them long enough they eventually give up.

Cristiano

Interesting.

If I wanted to cancel my account, I would have just gone to the "YourAccount" page and clicked on the "Cancel Membership" link. No point in asking someone else to do it for me.

Word of warning: If you contact a lawyer about this and they don't laugh in your face, they're only interesed in your money, not your case.

*Edit, corrected link names.

Exactly!......

Yes but that would not be dramatic - it would not all put us on notice that he is contacting a lawyer because of all the mean people.

Cristiano

*mean......well....he made me do it.....maybe i need legal advise....the way I see it.....he is directly responsible for my actions of meaness....why should I take any blame.....*


*hey feels pretty good....from now on I think I will just sight others as the cause of my actions....hold them responsible for my moods...short comeings.....and failures.......hmmmm think that trooper that caught me speeding the other day would have bought ...."Officer the truck behind me was rite on my bumper....he made me speed.....you should give him the ticket".....hell why didnt I think of this long ago......

So....here is a question for people....if I can blame Linden Labs for my child reading mature chat, if I can blame hollywood for my son seeing a stunt man catching himself on fire and copies it, if I can blame Stephen King for writing a book that my child read and causes him to shoot his entire class, if I can blame Ozzy for my childs devil worship, if I can blame the gun or the owner of the gun responsible for my child taking it and killing another,.......if I can do all that.....exactly how far can I go......when do I actually have to take responsibility for the things I do......or dont do.

I am not saying any of the above instances have no influence.......but I certainly cannot blame anything, one, book, song, gun, or speech for my actions.........and hold you responsible while I remain unaccountable.

It's strange that any evidence of Regnar's inappropriateness has been effectively been removed from the forums. Already, regardless of the phonecall to said lawyers, there's been a tampering of evidence.

I recently took a quick peek at previous posts by Donnie; similarly, they have the strange random capitalization of letters in the text.

I feel remorse because Linden Labs will have to deal with Regnar at this point, but I do have to say this could have ended long, long ago (perhaps even before the fake story postings even started).

I'm glad we could pull some of the text he used (that was inappropriate according to TOS) in our statements as reference later on. Furthermore, I wonder what he could possibly be calling his lawyer for? I'm terribly confused--does he think he can manage to file a harassment case because of this thread? And, if he has deleted his account, wouldn't the Judge Judy response be, "Then the case is settled. Goodbye."

I'm genuinely not concerned about the supposed calling of lawyers at all.

Hmm. The way Reg used this alt account here to support his arguments just reinforces my belief that the 8 year old girl mentioned in the 'open letter' never actually existed.


Shame on you Reg!

Exactly if you raise your child properly and teach them the difference between make believe and reality and provide them with a good head on their shoulder it is unlikely that they will copy what they see or hear.... Though nothing is impossible.

JV

I agree with regnar!

-Regna--errr Ryen Jade

(there is a meaning to this post )

As the original thread was removed, I will just mention here that Regnar has sought out personal information of those who have posted against him in this thread. Do not be surprised if you receive a phone call from an "attorney" demanding that you remove the slanderous posts.

Cristiano

PS - For the love of God, Regnar, just f****ing leave already.

Reggie baby, I eagerly await your phone call
Cris, if you need anything from the old thread, I saved a copy.