WHEN IS the LAG going to be fixed.

I would like an answer from a Linden.
Don't tell me its the net between LLand me.

I am so tired of flying up in the air and all the other fun things lag does. It isnt just me. I know of 9 people who have said the same thing. Most live in the east but not all. I can't get any work done. This has been reported to every Lindin I see and 6 bug reports(and climbing)

It isnt just a Mauve issue but that seems to be most of the problem.

Just fix the damn thing.

Crimson Sunchaser..pissed off 2ed lifer

Leda has the same problem, I can be the only one in the sim, and I am lagged to hell =/ I also reported it to the Lindens and they said they have no power to check it, or find out what is causing it, also filled out bug reports =/

As the person who shouted the loudest about the lag in Federal, to no avail, I can tell you to stop filing bug reports about lag. Even though some sims are practically unusable at times, it does not seem to make any difference, I'm afraid. I even sent a long, non hysterical letter asking for help with Federal and received nada in return. Lag is a problem that is a hinderance to SL's growth. I am tired of going to events that should be fun, but are instead slideshows filled with grey avatars. I am sick of paying for land I cannot use to host events on because of how horrifically laggy the sim is. Mostly, I am tired of there not being any real response to this issue. It is the single issue I find the most irritating - the growing lag and lack of any kind of real response or help with it.

The problem at Mauve, I *think* is the falls. They appear to dump about 150 sound files on anyone who goes near...

I agree Cristiano but it seems some sims are in a way corrupted like Leda and Mauve for example, in which I am sure there are others, but if you look at Leda there are plenty of parcels that dont even have builds on them, and the builds that are there, are not very extreme...
I can be the only one in Leda at the time and I am so lagged that it feels like another sim when it has 40 people in it. I also had the sim go red on me 3 times, and thats just from this morning alone
But as you said somethinig needs to be done about all sims also, because if they allow 40 people in a sim at a time, it should be able to support 40 people with out any type of problems with lag =/
All I can really say is it is just getting worse

We need a sim named "Hell" that we can freeze over!

Recently a group of my friends abandonded Leda. It seems they were getting up to and above 200 audio streams at a time. The lag was excruciatingly unbearable and I have experienced it first hand - NOT fun. Possibly this is still the problem there? Dunno but maybe worth flying around the sim a bit and checking to see whats being streamed at you.

I have also noticed that Janus has awful lag too As it's the neighboring sim to the one I live in and hosts a Telehub, it can be very frustrating to deal with. There are actually 3 or 4 sims I avoid altogether nowadays due the unplayable nature of them. I presume I am not the only one that does this and therefore it has ramifications which extend beyond playability, such as decreased dwell and customers willing to visit. NN

Well the lag problem in Mauve has been around for a week to 10 days. The sound files have been there a lot longer so id say no.

I avoid Gualala and Jenner if possible, and you can't pay me to go anywhere near Aqua, ever. It's ridiculous.

I've stopped going to most events, and I only leave my own land if I have to. Lag is turning me more into a hermit than I was before. If my destination is over a sim away from the nearest hub, I won't go unless I can get a direct port there. It's simply not worth having to crawl along, only end up relogging, which doesn't always help anyway.

I spend less and less time in SL due to lag. Some days I go on only long enough to work on clothing, then log off again. If it gets worse, or even if it doesn't get better with 1.4, my next option will be to tier down to basic and stop paying for useless land I'm too lagged to build on.

is the lag caused by the packet loss problem?

Funny you mention this, a neighbor has several music files looping 24/7, but he claims since it is up 300 or so meters in the air, it has nothing to do with the lag in Leda

thats not very nice

Textures can be a big issue. In Janus, for example, there are a number of parcels with large numbers of loud, complicated textures. Scripts, sound files, etc., don't eat cycles the way complex bitmapped textures do.

Not long ago I posted about the terrible lag we are getting in Mauve and got a very thougthful reply from Oz Spade about it. One Linden told me the cause of my lag was probably from sound files loading initially, but more likely from the sim overlap with the neighboring very laggy Aqua. In the past when I stated that my lag did not exist before Aqua became so laggy (and yes there were sound files in mauve previously.) I was ridiculed by Aqua owners almost ganging up on me for stating Aqua was causing lag in a neighboring sim. I dont know what the distance is for sim overlap, and please lets not have yet another hysterical overreaction from others, but all else is the same in Muave except for the presence of the wall of lag known as Aqua.

I read a past post from Kex who stated lag should be less with the next update and I hope its true. But Crim you are right about one thing, the conditions in Mauve existed for some time without the lag and now we cant even rezz objects or put on clothes there. And before i am hit with snide replies. no I DO NOT have any sound files playing.

Would anyone be interested in coming to Mauve to check the source of all this lag and help me fix it? No, its not our internet connection (Crimson, CrazyMonkey, Sia Sunchaser, Vade Blair and I all feel the lag,) and no its not our computers. We all were just fine in the past.

First off, the lag actually wasn't caused by the audio preloader way up in the air. though for future reference everyone height apparently doesn't matter to the audio preloader, though I think x y distance is 100m (not sure of that). Sorry Yadni. it was our only guess at the time, but it wasn't you or you were only a very minor factor. The audio preloader is now off and lag hasn't really improved. The server still runs at around 60fps.

Here's a "believe it or not". A Linden actually came to check it out!!! Colin Linden came and looked around with some "Linden Tools(s)". he had me stop my physical cycling elevators because apparently they were causing issues with the physics engine. Here's the interesting part though, no issues that youc an see in the debug redouts. The problem was apparently a possible instability in the physics engine caused when a scripted object moves through another object (please note, even though this is a problem with the physics engine the objects moving through each other do NOT have to be physical, go figure).

Once the elevators were turned off the sim fps didn't increase unfortunately. According to Colin Linden the issue is probably too many alpha textures. This apparently keeps the server preloading everything (textures, sounds, prims) endlessly. You can see it if you open up the debug console. Preloads that never stop. So, if you want to keep your sim lag free, don't have scripted objects move through other objects (the problem is possibly only one a scripted object moves through ANOTHER scripted object, not sure), and cut down on your use of alpha and textures containing alpha. That last one kinda sucks but it's classified somewhere between hardware limitation and bug which means don't plan on it being fixed too soon.

wow thanks Rickard, I guess all we can do is try and minmize anything contributing to it, until someone decides to fix it =/

Never! Muhahahahaha...

Okay, the hell with it. You're right. The jig is up. Aqua was built specifically to ruin your SL experience and all the merchants there are actually servants of satan. Happy? High above Aqua are gigantic orbiting platforms where newbies are ground up to produce lag, which is then broadcast to whatever sim you happen to be in. Just you. We'd have gotten away with it too if not for you meddling kids.

Your post may be in jest, but I have seen the reaction in the forums too to any suggestion that Aqua is lagging sims around it. Aqua is an incredibly laggy sim. My guess would be the biggest cause of it is the number of vending machines in the galleries cycling textures. It is why your store has never been a major issue, as you use only boxed items for the most part.

When we were trying to address lag in Federal, all of us looked at our properties first to see if anything was causing lag. Once we approached the large unnamed establishment there that always has people in it about the lag, we were told to fuck off. The Aqua resident reaction seems similar. If the Galleria or anything else is causing lag not only in the sim itself but in neighboring sims that border it (which is a real possibility), or anything else in Aqua, maybe that thing should be reworked to help minimize the lag.

I noticed a post the other day from the White Star Casino about the efforts they have taken to improve lag in their sim, the name of which escapes me. More people should be so forthcoming about their efforts, instead of playing the "No it's not me" game.

And no, this is not an attack on Briana or any property in Aqua. It is a statement that while Linden Lab has its work cut out, so do we. We need to work together to address these problems, not just blame each other and bury our head in the sand like some sort of arrogant ostrich.

I think it may actually be the opposite, Cris. My guess would be that individual boxes cause more lag than vending machines since you get hit with all the texture at once instead of one at a time. We're trying to get more people to switch to vendors to see if that helps any. Currently the best way to navigate the galleria or places like it is with your draw distance at 64 and in mouselook. Lag is far more navigable in mouselook than in default view. If there's an appreciable difference I'll probably start moving more of my older stock to vendors as well.

I would like to say, that the Lag is not just confined to Second Life. It seems the entire Internet is laggy. When I go on MSNBC, a very small picture, with a 700K Cable Modem connection takes 20 seconds to load. Before 2001, I could not even tell there was a time delay, it was so fast.

Why is the Internet lagged? I have absolutly no ideal.

its so sad that there cant be an adult discussion concering lag without some resorting to childish personal insults that help no one... sigh...

I'm curious if some of the older servers are just going bad. I know that Stanford lags at weird times. Sometimes, lots of people in the sim - no lag. Sometimes, just me in the sim (okay, most of the time Stanford is in this state) - major lag.

Also, Stanford tends to have weird issues with objects disappearing and drifting a lot.


It's haunted I tell you.

When are they gonna fix that lag? Right after 51% of the population cancel their accounts because of it. But that that point there shouldn't be any lag.

That was exactly my thought when I read your post.