Demystifying the scripterati

I don't understand your whole line of reasoning ... how is it stiffing someone to pay what they ask?

What would you consider a fair wage? Tell me please? I've not seen any sort of posted rate chart. Im very interested in the whole subject of how one decides what is a fair price to charge .. or to pay. Is $500 for something "too much"?? "Too little"??

Its a great puzzle to me and I'd like whatever help I can get in figuring it out.

Since you have such strong views on the matter, perhaps you can help me?

Thanks

Edited to add apology for responding to off-topic post, thus going further off-topic; but Im just so curious I couldn't help myself ... sorry

To bring us back a little, I am good at ideas and outlining what I want done; I can sometimes modify something similar that is either kicking around free or whatever. But once it gets very complicated ... I want to call in the professionals (for which Im willing to pay them what they ask) ... there .. did I bring us back to topic OK?

J

It's not deleted, I just took it back into inventory for a bit. Needed the prims.

i script sometimes. i'm an artist not a programmer. did some scripting in Flash which turns out is very similar to lsl if you think about it. i didn't know scripting was mysterious or magical or elite. if there's a word like "scripterati" that must mean Prokofy disapproves of it so now i feel better about scripting.

I paid that person what they asked...they even seem confused about what to ask and I tried prompting them as to time spent, etc. I also had an arrangement, BTW, where they were to get 10 percent of the sales. We were going to review that if the object sold.

But it didn't, because their script didn't work, so I had to cut them loose. No hard feelings. I'd hire that person again if I had an idea because he did what he could and did his best.

If someone things there is some minimum wage for scripters that has to be installed in the game, well lotsa luck on installing that along with your government LOL.

I paid what was asked. I had no complates. I paid the second scripter, a prominent one, what he asked. I had no complaints. So move along, nothing to see.

As for your slanderous claim that I have extortionist prices on land, please go in the land and find some land I have for sale. I have like perhaps half a dozen parcels for sale at the moment. I'm not a land baron, it may have escaped your attention LOL.

Where are the extortionist prices? I realize you need to vent a lot about land barons and your hatred of them, but you've come to the wrong address.

I just gave away parcels for free last night in a lottery, and to someone who wanted a parcel for a business, and I do that all the time.

I don't have extortionist prices, I have normal market rates, go and look. I believe I never have more than $9.7 on prime waterfront mature and no more than $5 on PG but usually I have much less.

I know it's common to think that land dealers or land lords "sit on the ass" and "suck off other people's work and money" blah blah. I guess you've just never worked with land. You have no idea what you are talking about. I won't educate you because you are buried in prejudice right now. But you have no idea.

I didn't stiff any coders when I paid them what they asked for.

I took free scripts that are in the library, or here on the script pages, like everybody does. I don't oppose free things in the world. I oppose flooding too many free things and curbing initiative and business. Those are different points.

I pay one scripter every time I turn on his script -- a healthy sum. It's a rental script.

I"m going to go on saying what needs to be said: we need to find a way to curb this arrogant, hateful, misinformed, malevolent attitude of some scripters towards other people who don't script, but who are in the land business.

Arr.

I'm speaking for myself here, and no-one else.

Back in the mid-90s I discovered MUSHes, and would script things there. I doubt any of us would EVER think of getting paid *real* dollars for scripting. We did it for fun, pure and simple.

So --> I script because I enjoy programming -- I do it for a living (eh, the latter, not scripting) and I do it for fun (both). What's great about SL is that I get to quickly implement ideas I have and make some extra beer money on the side. (Hurrah!)

But to touch on this subject for a moment - If one thinks that as a scripter in SL, one should make a "fair" wage -- If you can code well and want a fair wage, go work for LL.

Otherwise, folks might be better off comparing scripters to shareware developers, not professional programmers. If people like what you're offering, and it's better than the free stuff, you'll get some L$ out of the deal. Not too bad!

But seriously, script because ya enjoy it. If you're in it to make money, you'll just end up bitching on the forums.

And to the notion of "scripterati" -> There will always be people who feel they're better than others because they can do (insert X here). I have my own terms for people like that, and none of them are limited to scripters. However, if I used any of those terms in a PG sim, I'd be suspended for a bit.

--CB

(To the tune of Yankee Doodle Boy by George M Cohen)

Oh I'm an evil scripterati....
Scripterati Do and While....
I llTeleportAgentHome()
with a sensor_repeat thats set to PI

Rezzed phys objects are my favorite
That shoot particles into the sky...

Don't like me scripts? Well shove it
Up your llSetSitTarget()
llRot2Up()
llDie....



Siggy.

wow just wow

Historians will long note with awe the heights of artistic endeavour inspired in SL in the lacklustre conservative FIC by the dissident Prokofy Neva.

Not quite - I've been writing pisstake ditty's from everything from major updates to common bugs...

Long before you darkened our stoop, and will continue when you grace it....Nevermore.

... Just another day..

everything is about me!

don't you get it?

Ooops, forgot that -- I could write one especially for them, but I think people should be careful of what they wish for

I'll just wait till the muse kicks me in the nethers again.

I never knew I was in the 'FIC' either - I'll assume that stands 'F*ck I'm Cool'

Siggy.

hmm . . . I wouldn't have called myself one of the scripterati, but some of my friends say I am. I guess I'm one-eyed in a land where some folks are blind and others have x-ray vision. I modify existing scripts, and I do some scripting, sometimes leaning heavily on the LSL help and examples of other scripts. When I build, I mostly use simple scripts in innovative ways to do stuff that's kinda neat. I learned scripting from modifying existing scripts, a friend who helped me a lot when I got stuck, and scripting classes inworld. Lately, I'm surprised and have to pause and shake my head when I've just knocked out a script without looking up every function and it compiles with no problems except putting the wrong number of brackets at the end (die, brackets, die!).

Among other good habits encouraged by my more elite scripterati friends, I comment my code and choose the least-laggy solutions that'll work. I'm hoping the improvements Cory mentioned at the recent town hall will make scripts a less "expensive" resource, forstalling calls for a hard-line, oppressive limit on script use. I sure hate the idea of perhaps having to ration my use of scripts due to rules that would be stricter and more limiting than what's already happily accepted and enjoyed in my neighborhood now.

P.S. I only posted here cause I heard that scripterati get donuts. mmmmm

P.P.S Prok, I won't push you on the swings even if you give me a nickle.

Yeah, but thanks to certain people we had to repeal that privlidge *looks menacingly at certain individuals*

-Adam

I script, therefore I am....


(BTW - 'scripterati'? Scripters tend to be too busy to bother their time forming some type of organized shadow-group. In fact, even pasting in this forum is eating up time I could be using in scripting. Go 'way now, I'm busy)



- Newfie

I script because it's easy and fun. Instant gratification.
Except unfun thing, like big projects that need lot of debugging.

I just wish chicks dug scripters.

Bwaa haaaahaaaa
You crack me up!

*wipes a suspicious red smudge off his lips*
*whistle*
*look innocent*

I'll admit it! I'm a scripterati.. it means "lazy scripter" right?

We called those "Trash 80s".

I'll never forget when I hacked a terminal program from BASIC for my Amiga 1000 - 15 Mhz and got online. It's only gets worse.

Some group with an obnoxious parcel put up an exorbitant price, figuring go f yourself you don't like us you pay it...and you did it? And the very same second blasted their objects?

OMG hat's off. Crying for their land back! HAH that must have been some serious satisfaction. One of my own grudges just went away through vicarious payback.

It's always mint when somebody says, "put your money where your mouth is or f off", and you say, "ok, here's the cash. And a tip for etiquette lessons. Oh right, I'm also throwing in a copy of your advice, free of charge. F off".

WTG man. Fight the power.

Oh right. I'll script ya. And nobody ever made me a rock star because of it. Become a "scripterati", (or as I prefer to say, "take the time to learn LSL", and you'll see it most definitely ain't all that.

Historians will long comment on the great heights of creative art the tekkiwikinistas were inspired by their fight with the Dragon Prok on the last level as they beat the Last Boss on the MUD-like question...only to discover that there was NO There There and it was all going to be Coca Cola and Shell running it.

That brings back some memorys. My first computer was a comador 64 and the tape drive to go with it, but my first computer that I used was the PET seris of computers everything that I wanted to do on it, I had to write the code for it using Basic and can not forget the PEEK and POKE commands. ( Found my list of them not to long ago ).

I am just now learning LSL with the help of a few close friends. I am doing pretty good so far, with my learning of LSL. It is stating to make more sence now, that I have writen a few scripts, but only basic ones. I want to learn more and do more with the scripting side of SL. And I agree that taxing scripts is a bad idea and will slow down the progress that SL has made over the past. Because who know who will write the next great script in SL, it could be me (doubt it thou) or you. And if it was lets say taxed, why would the person even release it then....this could (wait scratch that) would hurt the growth of SL in the long run.....

Because if at first your incorrect - rephrase and post again!

Whatever makes you happy Prok

Siggy.

First comp I had was in a kit around the same time as the TRS 80. The first BBS I ran was on a C-64, you could get those old PET drives and rig them to run on the c-64.. I had 2 single meg 1001 drives..

I was thinking of refurbishing one of the old PET 5 meg harddrives but never really got around to it -- I never filled those 2 old 1 meg drives anyways

Siggy.