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Pituca FairChang

Married to Garth

Join date: 17 May 2003

Posts: 2,679

05-22-2005 18:11

I haven't a clue as to where to post this plea, so I will put it here.

I think we need more "New Product" forums. A Designer one for sure! The new clothing, skins and accessories that come out are advertised and bumped a lot by their fans, so the ordinary post about new vehicles, trees, scanners ............. whatever plunge to the bottom of the page never to be seen again.

Please do not construe this as a complaint against the designers and their fans as I shop here too! I love to see the new stuff out and as a Live Helper whenever someone IMs and wants to know where to buy a certain item, as well as telling them how to use Find I also tell them to check out the New Products thread in the Classifieds.

Please! Just divide it up into 3 or 4 sections?

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Baba Yamamoto

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Join date: 26 May 2003

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05-22-2005 18:13

Great ideas ;0 The feature suggestions might be aplicable, but its kinda fuzzy. This seems aplicable to the General forums tho ;0 !

As to the ideas ;0 I totally agree!

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Torley Linden

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Join date: 15 Sep 2004

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05-22-2005 18:17

and bettah yet would be RSS/ATOM feeds that could be subscribed to, notifying consumers about the latest-n-greatest in SL goods in the topics of their choice, live-n-direct!

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Enabran Templar

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Join date: 26 Aug 2004

Posts: 4,506

05-22-2005 18:18

Yeah, everytime I post something about a new robot, it quickly plummets to the bottom of the forum view.

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blaze Spinnaker

1/2 Serious

Join date: 12 Aug 2004

Posts: 5,898

05-22-2005 18:22

Yeah, torely, that's an awesome idea

SL needs to ride the blogosphere more.

But, in the meanwhile,I think pituca's idea is great too. It's pretty cheap to just add another forum.

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Susie Boffin

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Join date: 15 Sep 2004

Posts: 2,151

05-22-2005 18:29

I couldn't agree more. Every time we come out with something new I post it and it gets buried mighty quick.

Varian Neutra

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Join date: 18 Oct 2004

Posts: 56

05-22-2005 18:32

In-game classifieds would be even better.

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blaze Spinnaker

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Join date: 12 Aug 2004

Posts: 5,898

05-22-2005 18:40

In game classifieds *would* be better, but we all have to be thoughtful about development effort.

Not only will it takes weeks to set up something like that, changing the client can lead to memory leaks, bugs, and other problems.

Adding a forum is like 60 seconds on the forum administration console.

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"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."

StoneSelf Karuna

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05-22-2005 19:01

From: Pituca Chang

I haven't a clue as to where to post this plea, so I will put it here.

hotline to lindens forum gets a good response time from lindens
features suggestions forums seems another likely place.
and general works for most things.

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Cocoanut Koala

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Join date: 7 Feb 2005

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05-22-2005 20:08

I think this is a great idea.

coco

Sezmra Svarog

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Posts: 446

05-22-2005 21:40

Totally a good idea. If anything, it'll also make sorting through products a bit easier.

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Cristiano Midnight

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Join date: 17 May 2003

Posts: 8,616

05-22-2005 22:24

http://www.sluniverse.com/forums/Group59.aspx

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blaze Spinnaker

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Join date: 12 Aug 2004

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05-22-2005 23:15

Hey Cristiano, if SLUniverse.com is a business that we can libel, then posting links to it in here is *spam*.

Can't have it both ways.

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"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."

Pendari Lorentz

Senior Member

Join date: 5 Sep 2003

Posts: 4,372

05-23-2005 04:41

I think this is a great idea Pituca! And love your idea too Torley!!

I support this idea/suggestion!

And Blaze, if that were true, then slboutique, slexchange, etc. would never be able to post links in these forums. As long as it is SL related, I doubt it would be considered spam. It seems to me you are just trying to start trouble.

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Pituca FairChang

Married to Garth

Join date: 17 May 2003

Posts: 2,679

05-23-2005 05:35

Thanks for posting that Crist, I will have to visit SLUniverse more often.

I am glad I have so many in agreement. I haven't thought about naming the threads though, maybe we all need a brainstorming session?

Just off the top of my head I had thought of

1.) Clothing and accessories
2.) Housing, Stores and furnishings
3.) Vehicles
4.) Nursery (ie. trees, flowers, fountains and all the good stuff you might find at Armstrong's or Roger's Gardens)

Anyhoo it is a beginning,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Thanks everyone for your positive feedback

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Torrid Midnight

Work in progress

Join date: 13 May 2003

Posts: 814

05-23-2005 05:52

I agree Pituca, I think we need more forums because so many threads get lost in there before they get a chance to be seen. People feel the need to get their threads bumped over and over just to have a shot at being on the front page for at least a day. Designers generate a great deal of new product daily and it can overpower other types.

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Cristiano Midnight

Evil Snapshot Baron

Join date: 17 May 2003

Posts: 8,616

05-23-2005 07:52

Another thing that would help is to have the posts sorted in those forums by thread creation date, not last post date. While it is nice to have your thread bumped by praise (or occasional drama), it makes it difficult sometimes to see what is in fact new, since the same thread keeps coming back to page one.

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Jonquille Noir

Lemon Fresh

Join date: 17 Jan 2004

Posts: 4,025

05-23-2005 08:50

Very good idea, Cris. I sometimes have to go back a page or two to see what I've missed that's been pushed down. It would be nice if the latest remained on top.

I also like the idea of seperating it up into sub-forums, even though I'd probably look through them all anyway.

From: Cristiano Midnight

Another thing that would help is to have the posts sorted in those forums by thread creation date, not last post date. While it is nice to have your thread bumped by praise (or occasional drama), it makes it difficult sometimes to see what is in fact new, since the same thread keeps coming back to page one.

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Ale Bukowski

Gnomes Landscapers Master

Join date: 2 Apr 2004

Posts: 129

05-23-2005 11:42

I endorse very much everything said here, the way "New Products" is designed now is mostly useless.

Brace Coral

Basic Account Crew

Join date: 11 May 2004

Posts: 666

05-23-2005 13:29

From: Pituca Chang

I am glad I have so many in agreement. I haven't thought about naming the threads though, maybe we all need a brainstorming session?

Just off the top of my head I had thought of

1.) Clothing and accessories
2.) Housing, Stores and furnishings
3.) Vehicles
4.) Nursery (ie. trees, flowers, fountains and all the good stuff you might find at Armstrong's or Roger's Gardens)

Anyhoo it is a beginning,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Thanks everyone for your positive feedback

Great idea Pituca! I wholeheartedly agree - subsectioning would be wonderful

Continuing the brainstorming:

Avatars (including bots, mecha, full body armor and so on. I guess anything that needs a custom avshape?)
Gadjets & Animations (For things like emote-a-rama, cheers, poses, anim balls, new dances etc)
Home & Garden
Was thinging to consolidate things for the furnishings & plants; with the recent baby boom nursery takes on its additional meaning).

Good lookin out Pituca HUGGS

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Lash Xevious

Gooberly

Join date: 8 May 2004

Posts: 1,348

05-23-2005 14:15

Hmmm ...

The fashion ones could do better if it was split into several groups ...

But here's what I wouldn't mind seeing:

Animations (Dances, Gestures, Poses)
Vehicles, Scripted gadgets, Particle Effects, Scripts
Prim Creations (that aren't extensively scripted like vehicles) > Houses, building kits/sets
Prim Creations > Sculptures, Textured plants, animals
Fashion > Clothes
Fashion > Skins, Tattoos
Fashion > Accessories (hair, shoes, jewelry)
Textures

That's all I can think of right now.

Beryl Greenacre

Big Scaredy-Baby

Join date: 24 Jun 2003

Posts: 1,312

05-23-2005 15:29

From: Cristiano Midnight

Another thing that would help is to have the posts sorted in those forums by thread creation date, not last post date. While it is nice to have your thread bumped by praise (or occasional drama), it makes it difficult sometimes to see what is in fact new, since the same thread keeps coming back to page one.

Now this idea definitely has some merit. It makes so much sense to have threads in the New Products Forum listed in the order in which they are posted and unable to be bumped; that's the whole idea behind something new, after all. I could go back and bump threads in that forum for products that were posted months ago; they'd no longer be "new," but they'd float to the top of the forum just the same.

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Pituca FairChang

Married to Garth

Join date: 17 May 2003

Posts: 2,679

05-23-2005 15:30

From: Brace Coral

Home & Garden
Was thinging to consolidate things for the furnishings & plants; with the recent baby boom nursery takes on its additional meaning).

Good lookin out Pituca HUGGS

Good call,,,

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Foulcault Mechanique

Father Cheesemonkey

Join date: 28 Mar 2005

Posts: 557

Another idea

05-23-2005 15:38

I notice that "Unviewed" posts become "viewed" sometimes if I just hang out here while at work. I might not get to them all right away and I use the actual "unread" label to see if new messages and/or new replies have occured in a topic. After a weekend of not reading posts I will go back three pages to at least see what I have not read and browse it over so it is marked as read usually.

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Arwen LeMay

Registered User

Join date: 30 Dec 2004

Posts: 19

05-24-2005 06:05

Great idea, Pituca.

How about a forum (or even just a thread) where people can post advanced news of any really exciting new products which are imminent, but not yet quite ready for the market?

I've made a start here:
/120/b3/47750/1.html

so if any of you want to see the future, or maybe want to volunteer as beta testers (rewarded by a free final object) pop over and have a look see. My interest is in sophisticated scripted behaviours, so I think you'll find they really are quite fun.

Why not add your own pet projects to the thread, so others can enjoy your excitement too ?

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Pituca FairChang Married to Garth Join date: 17 May 2003 Posts: 2,679	05-22-2005 18:11 I haven't a clue as to where to post this plea, so I will put it here. I think we need more "New Product" forums. A Designer one for sure! The new clothing, skins and accessories that come out are advertised and bumped a lot by their fans, so the ordinary post about new vehicles, trees, scanners ............. whatever plunge to the bottom of the page never to be seen again. Please do not construe this as a complaint against the designers and their fans as I shop here too! I love to see the new stuff out and as a Live Helper whenever someone IMs and wants to know where to buy a certain item, as well as telling them how to use Find I also tell them to check out the New Products thread in the Classifieds. Please! Just divide it up into 3 or 4 sections? _____________________
Baba Yamamoto baba@slinked.net Join date: 26 May 2003 Posts: 1,024	05-22-2005 18:13 Great ideas ;0 The feature suggestions might be aplicable, but its kinda fuzzy. This seems aplicable to the General forums tho ;0 ! As to the ideas ;0 I totally agree! _____________________ Open Metaverse Foundation - http://www.openmetaverse.org Meerkat viewer - http://meerkatviewer.org
Torley Linden Enlightenment! Join date: 15 Sep 2004 Posts: 16,530	05-22-2005 18:17 and bettah yet would be RSS/ATOM feeds that could be subscribed to, notifying consumers about the latest-n-greatest in SL goods in the topics of their choice, live-n-direct! _____________________
Enabran Templar Capitalist Pig Join date: 26 Aug 2004 Posts: 4,506	05-22-2005 18:18 Yeah, everytime I post something about a new robot, it quickly plummets to the bottom of the forum view. _____________________ From: Hiro Pendragon Furthermore, as Second Life goes to the Metaverse, and this becomes an open platform, Linden Lab risks lawsuit in court and [attachment culling] will, I repeat WILL be reverse in court. Second Life Forums: Who needs Reason when you can use bold tags?
blaze Spinnaker 1/2 Serious Join date: 12 Aug 2004 Posts: 5,898	05-22-2005 18:22 Yeah, torely, that's an awesome idea SL needs to ride the blogosphere more. But, in the meanwhile,I think pituca's idea is great too. It's pretty cheap to just add another forum. _____________________ Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds : "User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."
Susie Boffin Certified Nutcase Join date: 15 Sep 2004 Posts: 2,151	05-22-2005 18:29 I couldn't agree more. Every time we come out with something new I post it and it gets buried mighty quick.
Varian Neutra Registered User Join date: 18 Oct 2004 Posts: 56	05-22-2005 18:32 In-game classifieds would be even better. _____________________ Rent vendor areas for only $50/wk/50 prims at the Hanging Gardens of Babylon in Refugio
blaze Spinnaker 1/2 Serious Join date: 12 Aug 2004 Posts: 5,898	05-22-2005 18:40 In game classifieds would be better, but we all have to be thoughtful about development effort. Not only will it takes weeks to set up something like that, changing the client can lead to memory leaks, bugs, and other problems. Adding a forum is like 60 seconds on the forum administration console. _____________________ Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds : "User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."
StoneSelf Karuna His Grace Join date: 13 Jun 2004 Posts: 1,955	05-22-2005 19:01 From: Pituca Chang I haven't a clue as to where to post this plea, so I will put it here. hotline to lindens forum gets a good response time from lindens features suggestions forums seems another likely place. and general works for most things. _____________________ AIDS IS NOT OVER. people are still getting aids. people are still living with aids. people are still dying from aids. please help me raise money for hiv/aids services and research. you can help by making a donation here: http://www.aidslifecycle.org/1409 .
Cocoanut Koala Coco's Cottages Join date: 7 Feb 2005 Posts: 7,903	05-22-2005 20:08 I think this is a great idea. coco
Sezmra Svarog Pointy-Eared Geek Join date: 8 Jul 2004 Posts: 446	05-22-2005 21:40 Totally a good idea. If anything, it'll also make sorting through products a bit easier. _____________________ - sezmra svarog - slife.sezmra.com
Cristiano Midnight Evil Snapshot Baron Join date: 17 May 2003 Posts: 8,616	05-22-2005 22:24 http://www.sluniverse.com/forums/Group59.aspx _____________________ Cristiano ANOmations - huge selection of high quality, low priced animations all $100L or less. ~SLUniverse.com~ SL's oldest and largest community site, featuring Snapzilla image sharing, forums, and much more.
blaze Spinnaker 1/2 Serious Join date: 12 Aug 2004 Posts: 5,898	05-22-2005 23:15 Hey Cristiano, if SLUniverse.com is a business that we can libel, then posting links to it in here is spam. Can't have it both ways. _____________________ Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds : "User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."
Pendari Lorentz Senior Member Join date: 5 Sep 2003 Posts: 4,372	05-23-2005 04:41 I think this is a great idea Pituca! And love your idea too Torley!! I support this idea/suggestion! And Blaze, if that were true, then slboutique, slexchange, etc. would never be able to post links in these forums. As long as it is SL related, I doubt it would be considered spam. It seems to me you are just trying to start trouble. _____________________ hugs everyone
Pituca FairChang Married to Garth Join date: 17 May 2003 Posts: 2,679	05-23-2005 05:35 Thanks for posting that Crist, I will have to visit SLUniverse more often. I am glad I have so many in agreement. I haven't thought about naming the threads though, maybe we all need a brainstorming session? Just off the top of my head I had thought of 1.) Clothing and accessories 2.) Housing, Stores and furnishings 3.) Vehicles 4.) Nursery (ie. trees, flowers, fountains and all the good stuff you might find at Armstrong's or Roger's Gardens) Anyhoo it is a beginning,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Thanks everyone for your positive feedback _____________________
Torrid Midnight Work in progress Join date: 13 May 2003 Posts: 814	05-23-2005 05:52 I agree Pituca, I think we need more forums because so many threads get lost in there before they get a chance to be seen. People feel the need to get their threads bumped over and over just to have a shot at being on the front page for at least a day. Designers generate a great deal of new product daily and it can overpower other types. _____________________
Cristiano Midnight Evil Snapshot Baron Join date: 17 May 2003 Posts: 8,616	05-23-2005 07:52 Another thing that would help is to have the posts sorted in those forums by thread creation date, not last post date. While it is nice to have your thread bumped by praise (or occasional drama), it makes it difficult sometimes to see what is in fact new, since the same thread keeps coming back to page one. _____________________ Cristiano ANOmations - huge selection of high quality, low priced animations all $100L or less. ~SLUniverse.com~ SL's oldest and largest community site, featuring Snapzilla image sharing, forums, and much more.
Jonquille Noir Lemon Fresh Join date: 17 Jan 2004 Posts: 4,025	05-23-2005 08:50 Very good idea, Cris. I sometimes have to go back a page or two to see what I've missed that's been pushed down. It would be nice if the latest remained on top. I also like the idea of seperating it up into sub-forums, even though I'd probably look through them all anyway. From: Cristiano Midnight Another thing that would help is to have the posts sorted in those forums by thread creation date, not last post date. While it is nice to have your thread bumped by praise (or occasional drama), it makes it difficult sometimes to see what is in fact new, since the same thread keeps coming back to page one. _____________________ Little Rebel Designs Gallinas
Ale Bukowski Gnomes Landscapers Master Join date: 2 Apr 2004 Posts: 129	05-23-2005 11:42 I endorse very much everything said here, the way "New Products" is designed now is mostly useless.
Brace Coral Basic Account Crew Join date: 11 May 2004 Posts: 666	05-23-2005 13:29 From: Pituca Chang I am glad I have so many in agreement. I haven't thought about naming the threads though, maybe we all need a brainstorming session? Just off the top of my head I had thought of 1.) Clothing and accessories 2.) Housing, Stores and furnishings 3.) Vehicles 4.) Nursery (ie. trees, flowers, fountains and all the good stuff you might find at Armstrong's or Roger's Gardens) Anyhoo it is a beginning,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Thanks everyone for your positive feedback Great idea Pituca! I wholeheartedly agree - subsectioning would be wonderful Continuing the brainstorming: Avatars (including bots, mecha, full body armor and so on. I guess anything that needs a custom avshape?) Gadjets & Animations (For things like emote-a-rama, cheers, poses, anim balls, new dances etc) Home & Garden Was thinging to consolidate things for the furnishings & plants; with the recent baby boom nursery takes on its additional meaning). Good lookin out Pituca HUGGS _____________________ LL Brokted my Sig From: Pol Tabla I love Brace Coral. Just sayin', like.
Lash Xevious Gooberly Join date: 8 May 2004 Posts: 1,348	05-23-2005 14:15 Hmmm ... The fashion ones could do better if it was split into several groups ... But here's what I wouldn't mind seeing: Animations (Dances, Gestures, Poses) Vehicles, Scripted gadgets, Particle Effects, Scripts Prim Creations (that aren't extensively scripted like vehicles) > Houses, building kits/sets Prim Creations > Sculptures, Textured plants, animals Fashion > Clothes Fashion > Skins, Tattoos Fashion > Accessories (hair, shoes, jewelry) Textures That's all I can think of right now.
Beryl Greenacre Big Scaredy-Baby Join date: 24 Jun 2003 Posts: 1,312	05-23-2005 15:29 From: Cristiano Midnight Another thing that would help is to have the posts sorted in those forums by thread creation date, not last post date. While it is nice to have your thread bumped by praise (or occasional drama), it makes it difficult sometimes to see what is in fact new, since the same thread keeps coming back to page one. Now this idea definitely has some merit. It makes so much sense to have threads in the New Products Forum listed in the order in which they are posted and unable to be bumped; that's the whole idea behind something new, after all. I could go back and bump threads in that forum for products that were posted months ago; they'd no longer be "new," but they'd float to the top of the forum just the same. _____________________ Swell Second Life: Menswear by Beryl Greenacre Miramare 105, 82/ Aqua 192, 112/ Image Reflections Design, Freedom 121, 121
Pituca FairChang Married to Garth Join date: 17 May 2003 Posts: 2,679	05-23-2005 15:30 From: Brace Coral Home & Garden Was thinging to consolidate things for the furnishings & plants; with the recent baby boom nursery takes on its additional meaning). Good lookin out Pituca HUGGS Good call,,, _____________________
Foulcault Mechanique Father Cheesemonkey Join date: 28 Mar 2005 Posts: 557	Another idea 05-23-2005 15:38 I notice that "Unviewed" posts become "viewed" sometimes if I just hang out here while at work. I might not get to them all right away and I use the actual "unread" label to see if new messages and/or new replies have occured in a topic. After a weekend of not reading posts I will go back three pages to at least see what I have not read and browse it over so it is marked as read usually. _____________________ Foulcault "Keep telling yourself that and someday you just might believe it." "Every Technomage knows the 14 words that will make someone fall in love with you forever, but she only needed one. "Hello"" Galen from Babylon 5 Crusade From: Jeska Linden I'm moving this over to Off-Topic for further Pez ruminations.
Arwen LeMay Registered User Join date: 30 Dec 2004 Posts: 19	05-24-2005 06:05 Great idea, Pituca. How about a forum (or even just a thread) where people can post advanced news of any really exciting new products which are imminent, but not yet quite ready for the market? I've made a start here: /120/b3/47750/1.html so if any of you want to see the future, or maybe want to volunteer as beta testers (rewarded by a free final object) pop over and have a look see. My interest is in sophisticated scripted behaviours, so I think you'll find they really are quite fun. Why not add your own pet projects to the thread, so others can enjoy your excitement too ?

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