Live Snapshots on Second Life.com

OK I've been reading about this "issue" for sometime now and I've been biting my tongue.

First and foremost when you sign up for whatever kind of service that requires and email address if yer so dang CONCERNED just go to yahoo or hotmail or some sort of freebie "throw away" email offering site and sign up and create an email account just for SL or whatever it is yer signing up for.

I'm not getting all this furor over this concept in the first place.

Perhaps I'm missing something......

Anyhow this filter thing is no surpise, I was wondering how long it was gonna take before something like this popped up. I feel Travis' concern with the PG only thing, and if there was an answer to that it got lost somewhere.

Can someone post that?

You're welcome, April. Yes, it does get tiring,but I will respond every time Prokofy or anyone else makes false statements about my site. I appreciate the support.

Cristiano,



This isn't a "game" or a maneuver to be "circular" but an honest effort to question a site that has already acquired a reputation for outing RL personal information and linking alts. Sorry, but there it is. I haven't called you a fraud, a cheat, or a liar, although that is permitted -- while strongly discouraged. I could call you a TOS violator. You could say the TOS doesn't apply to me, nyah-nyah, I'm a third party site. To which I say: Linden Labs, why do you have third-party site partners like that? And that is my right as an SL resident, and to do with without being lambasted with all sorts of British swear words and pictures.



Excuse me, but "anonymous" is exactly the word you used. Exactly. It really is a shame when a country's history is stripped away from them, and their citizens are doomed to repeat history for being unable to remember it. The practice of sequestered threads is a dubious one, but one that the mods, in their wisdom had to engage in. Suffice it to say, we all saw the word "anonymous".

You're now explainint that "anonymous" means "not registered". *But even if I don't register my avatar's name shows up when it did NOT show up on Linden Labs site.*

It now seems there *are* IP addresses that come from LL mail servers -- but only LL's IP. However, what does LL get from me? And does that information remain embedded? These are reasonable and legitimate questions in a democratic and open society.



No, there hasn't been any statement whatsoever here in the world of SL, whatever is on your site -- a site some *cough* may be blocked from even entering.

From the SLUniverse.com privacy policy:



Huh? But there is no such opt-out. You snap a picture, it records whatever it records inside the thingie, it boiler-plates in your e-mail address, and away it goes when you press "send". We know that sim names are contained in the thing because even though I don't see that on the UI when I send it, it stands to reason it is there because when it arrives on the LL site it can be seen.

On the one hand, I like blaze's idea of having coordinates, so if I see something interesting, like the musical instruments in Athena, I could click right on the site and go see that interesting thing. But I can also see how enemies whose "friendship cards" I long ago cut could catch site of me on the website as I upload a picture, click on me, and vector in on me to harass me in-game. If you don't think at least some griefing is going to be enhanced in SL due to this nice feature that mainly brings joy, well, you don't know SL like I know SL.



LL did not publish this information, it's on the fine print on your site. But this is now a service we are getting in SL, indeed, most people will be getting to know Snapzilla through the Linden website, not visa versa.



Questions and issues like mine are what necessitated spelling out that policy. It's not a policy that was stated HERE In the SL context. And it is not a policy one can TRUST given the track record of outing RL info as well as libel on sluniverse.com

Prokofy,

You keep making claims about my site. What alt have I ever outed? You have made that false statement repeatedly. The site has no reputation for outing any information - just your repeated fraudulent statements against the site.

Um, I didn't claim you outed alts, Snapshot Baron.

I said you CAN out alts. Knowing you outing RL and libeling people is the great sport on your site *already,* and knowing that outing alts is the great sport of this forums, it doesn't take too much imagination to figure out that you will be contrasting and comparing and outing.

It was not I who even conceived of this problem, but blaze. But of course blaze isn't here to keep backing up his line of inquiry.

Of course you site has a reputation for outing information. huh? Are you putting posts down the memory hole as we speak?

I'm continuing a line of questioning begun by blaze, that's all. It's very easy to see how it could be done, and I have to conclude it is done. If you're denying it through loads of small print and also in-person, in-forum denials, great...um...I'll try to take that to the bank.

Further discussion on the live snapshots being used on Second Life.com is welcome, but this is the final warning for this thread to cease personally attacking one another. Further personal attacks and arguing will result in the thread being closed and suspensions being issued for those involved. The Second Life Forums are not the appropriate venue to discuss personal grievances you may have with one another.

Prokofy,

I am sorry that you don't bother to read a site that you are using, but the information on how to opt out of location information is on the site, linked on every single page. There is a How do I use Snapzilla page that explains the entire process, including how to opt out of location information. I am not responsible for what SecondLife.com does or does not do - this feature existed well in advance of their home page update (and the location idea was not Blaze's).

Eh, I wouldn't bother going over it again and again and again Cris -- The track record for looking for sources, instructions, and first hand information is not too good.

And if you actually make a point, refute a claim, post actual real information, chances are it will be ignored and a new thread will start..

It's just not worth wasting braincells on.

At this point of the game I think a lot of people either roll their eyes and skip down, or read when they need a good laugh.

Siggy.

I won't be posting on this subject again. Those who have a need to follow it up will do so.




Siggy, this sounds like a not-so-veiled reference to this libelous claim that I committed plagiary in RL.

I do want to remind you and others that this claim is based on a case of mistaken identity. Various google witch-hunters who obtained my RL name without my consent or knowledge or particatipion, came up with a person on the Internet who seemed like me, a journalist with a very similar name who in RL had committed plagiarism.

That person isn't me, I have never committed plagiarism, nor been charged with it.

I was talking about the 2 threads you posted about ME and my newbie houses being no mod actually.

I couldn't give a rats arse about what or who you are in RL.... Seeing how you didn't bother asking me what I was talking about , which I thought was pretty obvious, I will use it as proof positive of my claims.

I guess I forgot -- it's all about you and your drama de-jour... you never do get tired of being wrong do you?


Siggy.

I'm sorry about making this incorrect claim, Siggy.

It stemmed from the fact that when I looked at the object -- or at least the version of it I saw -- it said "You cannot modify this object". And someone I asked said they didn't think you could modify it. But this was all just newbie confusion. I didn't realize all objects will say that if I'm not the creator or owner when I look at them.

I got the impression the object couldn't be modified also because I never *see* it modified in-world.

Naturally when you talked about "first-hand information" etc. it sounded like the plagiarism story. Oh well, excuse me for being wrapped up in a drama, but it is a serious one to be charged in that fashion.

We're all clear now that your house is indeed moddifiable. So...let's modify it!

sorry to butt in.. just want to personally thank Prokofy for ruining one of my best days in SL in ages.. thanks you!

Our sim Athena is technically Mature, a decision we made because we want the option to discuss adult issues there. We are not a sex club sim, and I've never seen any pornographic or violent behavior there. We are also the #2 sim for snaps on SLUniverse because we have a lot of cool stuff to see (and Torley is a Snapzilla addict), and in all those almost 200 snaps I have not spotted a single one that wouldn't pass the PG test. I'm disappointed that this PG-only filter has been instituted, especially when there was no actual problem that needed correcting.

Kudos to Cristiano for such a great service, kudos to LL for being clever enough to add this feature to the home page, and a great big boo-hiss for filtering out one of the most popular snapshot locations for no good reason at all.

do human eyes ever look at these pictures during the selection process?

i mean just because they come from a PG sim, that isn't a guarantee they won't be offensive.

if human eyes do look at these pictures, then why limit them to PG sim only? Mature sims don't always have x-rated content.

Human eyes don't moderate the pictures, so the PG screen is a (admittedly poor) substitute.

Also, I want to make sure everyone realizes that 1) we don't collect any email addresses from the pictures being pulled on to the home page and 2) even if we did our privacy policy prohibits us from using them. That said, we will look at the option of blocking any and all email addresses attached to the pictures.

nonono. it's all about ME.

not about any questions you might have about http://secondlife.com
not the cool constantly updated pictures on the front page
not about the cool job lauren did on the webpage
not about the service cristiano is providing sl and ll
not about questions you might have about the website's picture policy
not about why pg only

nope. it's all about ME!!!!!
who cares about any of you. nyah.

this thread is about stoneself karuna. get it right.

Very nice, latest improvements to the homepage are very very nice:

Check it out: http://secondlife.com

Just a thought.. in order to control spam / get the best pictures out there in the future make it so only the ones that get clicked on the most actually graduate up into the map above.

K.
So you are still going to go ahead and use the PG screen then?

This is starting to concern me just a little bit. I left a place that "allowed" adult content but kept it neatly tucked away and gave out the vibe (by instituting exlusionary features like this one) that anyone and any thing associated with anything over the rating of G was delegated to second class citizenship.

While this is a reasonably mild feature, the worlds "slippery slope" come to mind. Many people including myself signed up with SL BECAUSE it had age limitations and we could spend our leisure time with you know, grown ups instead of children.

Not to mention that being an adult and/or owning mature land comes with variety of expression that doesn't always equal "stuff you don't want to see on the splashpage" like many have already posted to this thread.

Anyhow if you ARE NOT going to use non human eyes for this, consider there's a whole heck of a lot more harm to whatever vibe you are trying to create on the front of your website for prospective customers than showing a pixel nipple or prim winky.