Katrina response: actually better than past performances?

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Gee, kinda sounds like the Feds are responding at least as well as could be expected if not more.

So, what's your point?

C'mon now.. take a position and defend it.. Don't just stir the shit, and then sit back and smirk.

Not wronged. Just attacked.

I'm glad you can laugh about something like this.

Wait, no I'm not.

The point wasn't about responding. It was about preventing.

Have you seen the video footage of whole parishes that were dried out and are now a massive tar-crusted mass?

By "evaporated" and they mean that the oil has evaporated, sure, and a thick black sludge has been "contained" in one spot - that spot being huge tracts of land in the eastern area of the delta east of New Orleans.

ROFLMAO. Not working at all.. Right. The levee on the north-facing shoreline of Lake Ponchatrain was NOT over-topped to any significant extent west of the Chalmette area. Only after the 17th Sreet Canal levee was breached did the majority of New Orleans proper flood to any significant extent.

The Mississippi River-Gulf Outlet levees were breached in two places - in one case, the USCG believes, as a result of a barge that broke loose from its moorings and rammed the levee at the height of the storm's fury.

In total, there were five unexpected breaches - three of them relatively minor in and of themselves. Relatively as in, could have been handled by the pumping system had it not been overwhelmed by the two major breaches -- the 17th Street Canal breach and one of the MR-GO breaches.

As for the protection of the wetlands... have you looked at the satellite imagery and seen what is currently under water in Southeastern Louisiana? Even at LSU, which has a vested interest as a University in making the case that coastal erosion is so extreme something MUST BE DONE YESTERDAY, professors in the Geography department there are still debating whether or not a few barrier islands a couple thousand yards offshore would have made much difference considering the exact path of Katrina.

Your own extermist postion is making you look far sillier than the most extreme pro-Bush or Pro-Republican position on any issue if you ask me.

That is true, Hiro. Part of the partisan divide in this country is the fact that neither side can admit to any of their mistakes at all.

I said it earlier, and I'll say again - this is all our collective fault, to some degree, for being so complacent with our political leaders.

Aw... I didn't mean to attack poor little you.. just your manner of posting rubbish.


Uh huh.. preventing. And just how would YOU have prevented this?

I asked that before - "why aren't YOU down there/in the Disaster Response industry"? You obviously have all the answers... Put your ideas to the test - apply for a job if you think you are qualified. I hear EOP's across the nation are looking for good people --- oh wait... You might not actually have the qualifications to get hired, huh? Oops.

Have I seen video footage? Nope. Sorry. I have been in Orleans, Plaquemines, St. Bernard, Terrebonne and Jefferson Parishes personally. I don't need to watch nationally-televised footage selected and edited for sensationalist value. I've been IN boats, wading through water and climbing in and out of buildings, attics and roof openings off and on since the hurricane hit. I have relatives down in that area, remember? See, I have been ON THE GROUND, in the water and even flown over a couple areas in a friend's plane looking for friends, relatives and others who haven't yet been found. This happens to be the second day of "down time" I have forced myself to take since the hurricane made landfall.

So, take your smug answers and solutions and put them to the test somewhere.... or at least provide a/keep things in context when you post something like "oil spills" and "not recovered".

You forgot "neener-neener" and "I know you are but what am I?"

I only quoted the condescending part of your response. Now imagine how much more likely someone would actually listen and admit they were wrong if all that junk wasn't in there? What fraction of your total response was devoted to righteousness? 1/3?

Not to mention that it makes YOU look like an armchair quarterback know-it-all.

Just an observation from a stranger. I actually liked reading the informative parts where I didn't feel embarrassed for you. Feel free to flame me.

I didn't. I find you to be an ill-informed source.

Sorry --not buying it. Everytime the Bush administration screws up (which is a constant at this point) they yell out -" don't play partisan politics" and "No Blame Game"

here's the problem with that thinking --

I'm not "Playing" and it's not a "Game"

There's no need for me to flame someone who knowingly sticks his own finger into a flame... you already showed how others should treat whatever you post by your own action.

Jesus. I finally got through this thread. A lot of it was really difficult to read because of all the self-righteous bullshit. Calm down people. Be civil. Keep a journal, come back to this thread in 3 months once you've had time to grieve.

Then what are you doing right now with your smart remark? Teaching me? Settle down.

A new life awaits you in the off-world colonies, the chance to begin again in a golden land of opportunity and adventure!

I'm not Howsah now, I'm Quaid.

And I find you to be an ideologue whose activism too-often-for-me interferes with the occasional nugget of rationality that is the only reason I don't merely skip over 99.999999% of your posts or simply put you on ignore.

As for my sources and sourcing, I'll stack my depth of knowledge on the current situation and/or my sources up against any you propose provided you do the same. I don't trust any single source, no known biased sources, and rarely believe anyone illustrating a point when the illustration is obviously an extreme, unique and/or limited example of the point attempting to be made.

I also know that what I have personally seen and experienced is only a small part of what is going on - but that that MUST color my perception of other information. Do you grant that as far as your own experience and interpretations? I have yet to see any evidence of such on your part, which is why I used the term ideologue above.

Unlike your so-often-stated position here in the forums, I don't believe the government or anyone else is out to get me or any one else. I think that elected officials and bureauucrats have often unenviable positions that certain people love to take potshots at --- while being ill or totaly uninformed. Even aides are unaware of the actual knowledge of elected officials on any single issue so how can anyone not in a particular position dare claim he or she could have done a better job without knowing the basis upon which decisions are/were actually made and the actual motivations of the decision makers (which pundits and 'opponents' so often devine (sp?) apparently through telepathy).

Reading the news doesn't make you informed. It only gives you an appearance of being so to others who read the same news from the same sources... and it seems that your preferred sources are primarily biased ones.

So... consider me, my sources and my opinion as you will. I could care less. I'll continue to point out the bias and errors in things that you so frequently post from your own ill-iinformed/biased position.

*starts his timer til Jeska closes this thread*

Actually --my opinion is that the current administration doesn't care about the people it governs, nor does it actually believe in government. So if you're going to categorize me at least state my position factually.

kthxbye