Welcome to the Second Life Forums Archive

These forums are CLOSED. Please visit the new forums HERE

For those of you still worrying over the stipend cut...

Lordfly Digeridoo
Prim Orchestrator
Join date: 21 Jul 2003
Posts: 3,628
01-12-2005 05:48
Philip posted that the median stipend bonus (the only thing that will be cut) was $L75.

Therefore, everyone is freaking out over $L37.5 a week. or about ten cents on GOM.


Puts it in perspective, yah?

LF
_____________________
----
http://www.lordfly.com/
http://www.twitter.com/lordfly
http://www.plurk.com/lordfly
Lecktor Hannibal
YOUR MOM
Join date: 1 Jul 2004
Posts: 6,734
01-12-2005 05:51
Hehe I love it :p
_____________________
YOUR MOM says, 'Come visit us at SC MKII http://secondcitizen.net '

From: Khamon Fate
Oh, Lecktor, you're terrible.

Bikers have more fun than people !
Magnum Serpentine
Registered User
Join date: 20 Nov 2003
Posts: 1,811
01-12-2005 06:12
From: Lordfly Digeridoo
Philip posted that the median stipend bonus (the only thing that will be cut) was $L75.

Therefore, everyone is freaking out over $L37.5 a week. or about ten cents on GOM.


Puts it in perspective, yah?

LF



The minority complains and whines and says they work hard for their money, that they create and that everyone else should also. They say that even the base pay should be ended and that it will cause the rest to be created.

gigantic problem with this view of thinking.


not everyone has the same skills as the vocal minority. I know lots of people who come here to relax and get away from mundane task of the real world. If they have no money to enjoy this place, they will move on. But then you all say thats fine more for us. Well one day there will be no one left.

Not everyone can run a business. And from what I have seen only a few businesses are successful in Second Life. Expecting people to earn money instead of being paid a base check is totally unrealistic.

And many people earn more than 75 dollars in bonus. I have heard of some earning 1500
_____________________
Malana Spencer
Registered User
Join date: 18 Sep 2003
Posts: 368
01-12-2005 06:16
From: Lordfly Digeridoo
Philip posted that the median stipend bonus (the only thing that will be cut) was $L75.

Therefore, everyone is freaking out over $L37.5 a week. or about ten cents on GOM.


Puts it in perspective, yah?

LF



I think alot were freaking out cause they misunderstood & thought their whole stipend was being cut in 1/2.
thanks for the post though. Maybe some will feel better after reading it.
Catherine Cotton
Tis Elfin
Join date: 2 Apr 2003
Posts: 3,001
01-12-2005 06:29
From: Lordfly Digeridoo
Philip posted that the median stipend bonus (the only thing that will be cut) was $L75.

Therefore, everyone is freaking out over $L37.5 a week. or about ten cents on GOM.


Puts it in perspective, yah?

LF


thats assuming ppl want to spend .10 on the gom which they can't that .10 is gonna cost them the block of 1k in lindens. I love how only part of the reasoning is given by some not the complete picture. ;) gotta love them for tying tho. .10 and lets not forget the commision that the gom charges too. Now take that .10 add to it the lack of funding for events. that .10 just grew amazing how that works.

end sarcasm.
_____________________
Lordfly Digeridoo
Prim Orchestrator
Join date: 21 Jul 2003
Posts: 3,628
01-12-2005 06:37
From: Magnum Serpentine
The minority complains and whines and says they work hard for their money, that they create and that everyone else should also. They say that even the base pay should be ended and that it will cause the rest to be created.

gigantic problem with this view of thinking.


not everyone has the same skills as the vocal minority. I know lots of people who come here to relax and get away from mundane task of the real world. If they have no money to enjoy this place, they will move on. But then you all say thats fine more for us. Well one day there will be no one left.

Not everyone can run a business. And from what I have seen only a few businesses are successful in Second Life. Expecting people to earn money instead of being paid a base check is totally unrealistic.

And many people earn more than 75 dollars in bonus. I have heard of some earning 1500



Magnum, if you say the phrase "vocal minority" again you're going to rip open a hole in the space time continuum.

If therre's less money to go around, prices go down.

ON TOP OF THAT, SL has a large, long, huge tradition of vendors giving stuff away for free. What's the deflationary value of free? Still free.

Newbies aren't going to be shafted, killed, split, scammed, hacked, or otherwise boonswaggled by this change. SL isn't a cutthroat environment like Project Entropia or World of Warcraft.

It's a social world.

LF
_____________________
----
http://www.lordfly.com/
http://www.twitter.com/lordfly
http://www.plurk.com/lordfly
Lordfly Digeridoo
Prim Orchestrator
Join date: 21 Jul 2003
Posts: 3,628
01-12-2005 06:42
From: Catherine Cotton
thats assuming ppl want to spend .10 on the gom which they can't that .10 is gonna cost them the block of 1k in lindens. I love how only part of the reasoning is given by some not the complete picture. ;) gotta love them for tying tho. .10 and lets not forget the commision that the gom charges too. Now take that .10 add to it the lack of funding for events. that .10 just grew amazing how that works.

end sarcasm.



Um.

I didn't say people should spend ten cents on the GOM. I'm putting this entire debacle in perspective. $L37.5 dollars a week is COMPARABLE to ten cents. Would you complain about ten cents a week in your real life? If so, you need to get out more.


Stop worrying about money, CAtherine.

But then, I forgot.. due to your unflagging obsession with greed and money, every post you read now must look like this:

From: someone

Originally posted by Lordfly Digeridoo

"MoneyMoneyMoneyMoneyMoneyMoneyMoneyMoney MONEY MoneyMoneyMoney MOOLAH MoneyMoney money cash bling MoneyMoneyMoneyMoneyMoneyMoney bling cash. Bling bling. MoneyMoneyMoneyMoneyMoneyMoneyMoney cash money bling dollars currency. MoneyMoneyMoney greed currency. Money."


Money.

LF
_____________________
----
http://www.lordfly.com/
http://www.twitter.com/lordfly
http://www.plurk.com/lordfly
Korg Stygian
Curmudgeon Extraordinaire
Join date: 3 Jun 2004
Posts: 1,105
01-12-2005 07:05
What strikes me about the original post here is the abuse/misunderstanding of the term median.

Median is the middle value of a series.... meaning that there are an equal number of values above and below that number.

The median is aboslutely valueless in this argument. It is not the average of all values -->> (sum of all values) divided by the number of values. It is not the mode -->> the most common value in a series.

Ergo, saying that the median value is 75$L is meaningless. Many people may earn and receive far more than the 75$L each week in bonus money -- indeed, theoretically, over 90% could and we could still have 75$L as the median bonus stipend. We have no clue how many as we have not been given complete information.
Talen Morgan
Amused
Join date: 2 Apr 2004
Posts: 3,097
01-12-2005 07:09
From: Magnum Serpentine
The minority complains and whines and says they work hard for their money, that they create and that everyone else should also. They say that even the base pay should be ended and that it will cause the rest to be created.

gigantic problem with this view of thinking.


not everyone has the same skills as the vocal minority. I know lots of people who come here to relax and get away from mundane task of the real world. If they have no money to enjoy this place, they will move on. But then you all say thats fine more for us. Well one day there will be no one left.

Not everyone can run a business. And from what I have seen only a few businesses are successful in Second Life. Expecting people to earn money instead of being paid a base check is totally unrealistic.

And many people earn more than 75 dollars in bonus. I have heard of some earning 1500


The ones that make 1500 or more are mostly rate whores and they don't deserve money for doing well at the rating parties
Catherine Cotton
Tis Elfin
Join date: 2 Apr 2003
Posts: 3,001
01-12-2005 07:12
From: Lordfly Digeridoo
Um.

I didn't say people should spend ten cents on the GOM. I'm putting this entire debacle in perspective. $L37.5 dollars a week is COMPARABLE to ten cents. Would you complain about ten cents a week in your real life? If so, you need to get out more.


Stop worrying about money, CAtherine.

But then, I forgot.. due to your unflagging obsession with greed and money, every post you read now must look like this:



Money.

LF



You think you know me but you don't. I am not concerned with money. I am concerned that the policies just changed over night. Those policies center around money. So I talk about those things contained in those policies. In this case money. Btw your the one who started this thread about money doll not me. No you dont know me at all. I am a kind soul looking out for the ones getting screwed in this raw deal IMO. So here is the big picture in case you missed it. I am seriously concerned that LL can change any policy at any time without any input from its player base. After all you and I were promissed this would be a player run world when we joined. So you see LF my brush strokes are far wider than you first thought. Think about it, am I doing or saying anything that would hurt LL. No I am not. IMO. Its noted again that you pick my statement to jump on. Thing is your opinions mean very little to me after the way you have mistreated me in the past.

Take Care of yourself ok and don't worry so much about what I am doing.
_____________________
Lecktor Hannibal
YOUR MOM
Join date: 1 Jul 2004
Posts: 6,734
01-12-2005 07:13
Actually Catherine it didn't happen over night. Philip was very succinct in laying it out the last townhall he held a couple of months ago. Everything he said then is encompassed in this latest development.
_____________________
YOUR MOM says, 'Come visit us at SC MKII http://secondcitizen.net '

From: Khamon Fate
Oh, Lecktor, you're terrible.

Bikers have more fun than people !
Charlotte Gillespie
2 - 0 Lindens
Join date: 19 Nov 2004
Posts: 1,101
01-12-2005 07:14
Catherine - you're hysterical and full of rubbish. Please learn something about the way this game works before you post further. There are so many facets to Second Life, that to focus on the negative aspects of the economy precludes you from enjoying everything else.

Take a step back and have a think.

For all our sakes.
FlipperPA Peregrine
Magically Delicious!
Join date: 14 Nov 2003
Posts: 3,703
01-12-2005 07:54
Catherine... remember this little post you made?

From: Catherine Cotton

Stfu About Money!

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I dont personaly care if your having a hard time making it in life. I dont much care if your having a tough time making a buck in SL. I came to SL to have fun and all this talk about money SUCKS. If your that poor get the hell off the computer and get a fricken job!


Try to follow your own advice sometime, PLEASE.

-Flip
_____________________
Peregrine Salon: www.PeregrineSalon.com - my consulting company
Second Blogger: www.SecondBlogger.com - free, fully integrated Second Life blogging for all avatars!
Alexa Hope
Registered User
Join date: 8 Dec 2004
Posts: 670
01-12-2005 08:02
I very rarely go to clubs but have met people who get L$2k a week in stipend payments, so we are not talking about L$37 a week.

Alexa

Go Catherine!
Devlin Gallant
Thought Police
Join date: 18 Jun 2003
Posts: 5,948
01-12-2005 08:09
From: Magnum Serpentine
The minority complains and whines and says they work hard for their money, that they create and that everyone else should also. They say that even the base pay should be ended and that it will cause the rest to be created.

gigantic problem with this view of thinking.


not everyone has the same skills as the vocal minority. I know lots of people who come here to relax and get away from mundane task of the real world. If they have no money to enjoy this place, they will move on. But then you all say thats fine more for us. Well one day there will be no one left.

Not everyone can run a business. And from what I have seen only a few businesses are successful in Second Life. Expecting people to earn money instead of being paid a base check is totally unrealistic.

And many people earn more than 75 dollars in bonus. I have heard of some earning 1500


You don't NEED money to enjoy, SL.
_____________________
I LIKE children, I've just never been able to finish a whole one.
Alexa Hope
Registered User
Join date: 8 Dec 2004
Posts: 670
01-12-2005 08:18
Someone else said that to me yesterday. When I asked then how she could afford her skin she said oh I have 300kL$ in the bank. So it seems that those who have want more and those who dont have shouldn't get any. Nice attitude.

Alexa
Catherine Cotton
Tis Elfin
Join date: 2 Apr 2003
Posts: 3,001
01-12-2005 08:19
From: FlipperPA Peregrine
Catherine... remember this little post you made?



Try to follow your own advice sometime, PLEASE.

-Flip


I'm sorry Flip you seem think that your opinion matters to me somehow. Sorry to hear about this grave error in judgement.
_____________________
Alan Palmerstone
Payment Info Used
Join date: 4 Jun 2004
Posts: 659
01-12-2005 08:21
From: Lordfly Digeridoo
Philip posted that the median stipend bonus (the only thing that will be cut) was $L75.

Therefore, everyone is freaking out over $L37.5 a week. or about ten cents on GOM.


Puts it in perspective, yah?

LF


No.

Per Robin's latest post:

Bonus amounts paid out as weekly 'Stipend Ratings' will be decreased over the next several months, beginning next week.

Philip also said in the thread about zeroing the ratings:

+ Another issue is do we want to wait until there are no more incentives (ratings bonuses), so that there is no money-related incentive to rate, however small. Again, we have this option to wait because of the database.

This would lead me (and others) to think that they are going to be taking away all of the ratings based bonuses over time. I don't even know if our assumption that just the Weekly Delta will be halfed as opposed to the the whole bonus (including total) that is given weekly.

Some people are making L$1500 a week from their weekly rating bonus (L$750 from the total rating and L$750 from the weekly rating). Not everyone gets this much, though. I have been in for seven months and usually get L$75 for total rating and L$75-200 for weekly rating.

With the phase out of the ratings based bonuses, we are back to "salary" only of L$500 or L$50 per week depending on membership level.

If there is no other way for people to earn L$ other than creating items or buying them on GOM, this is a huge shift in how SL works and deserves this frantic level of discussion. We are talking about eliminating an entire class of player in SL.

Regardless of how anyone feels about all the "Rate Whores" who are getting the larger weekly bonuses, this change will remove a lot more that L$37.5 a week from the economy. This is money creators will no longer be getting for their services.

While maybe freaking out is not the right response, neither is saying "it is a dime, STFU!"
_____________________
Visit Parrot Island - relax on the beach, snuggle at the waterfall, ride the jetskis, make a movie and buy a pool!
Alby Yellowknife
Sic Semper Tyrannis
Join date: 5 Jun 2004
Posts: 1,148
01-12-2005 08:21
From: Catherine Cotton
I'm sorry Flip you seem think that your opinion matters to me somehow. Sorry to hear about this grave error in judgement.




Just like I said before, Ice Princess.
Catherine Cotton
Tis Elfin
Join date: 2 Apr 2003
Posts: 3,001
01-12-2005 08:24
Flip I'm sorry you missed my very clear post early;

/120/57/32667/1.html

You think you know me but you don't. I am not concerned with money. I am concerned that the policies just changed over night. Those policies center around money. So I talk about those things contained in those policies. In this case money. Btw your the one who started this thread about money doll not me. No you dont know me at all. I am a kind soul looking out for the ones getting screwed in this raw deal IMO. So here is the big picture in case you missed it. I am seriously concerned that LL can change any policy at any time without any input from its player base. After all you and I were promissed this would be a player run world when we joined. So you see LF my brush strokes are far wider than you first thought. Think about it, am I doing or saying anything that would hurt LL. No I am not. IMO. Its noted again that you pick my statement to jump on. Thing is your opinions mean very little to me after the way you have mistreated me in the past.

Take Care of yourself ok and don't worry so much about what I am doing.
_____________________
FlipperPA Peregrine
Magically Delicious!
Join date: 14 Nov 2003
Posts: 3,703
01-12-2005 08:25
From: Catherine Cotton

I'm sorry Flip you seem think that your opinion matters to me somehow. Sorry to hear about this grave error in judgement.


I'm crushed. I'm just waiting for the next "I'm leaving for real" post from you over this fairly minor change. What would that be? #5, 6, 7, 8? I've completely lost track.

Your credibility is a foundation build on quicksand. I like to think mine is fairly well thought-of, despite my being a wise-ass.

-Flip
_____________________
Peregrine Salon: www.PeregrineSalon.com - my consulting company
Second Blogger: www.SecondBlogger.com - free, fully integrated Second Life blogging for all avatars!
Catherine Cotton
Tis Elfin
Join date: 2 Apr 2003
Posts: 3,001
01-12-2005 08:27
From: Alby Yellowknife
Just like I said before, Ice Princess.


Where did you say that before Alby please to post the thread I seem to have missed that one. As for my comments to some in this forum they are not unjustified. I put up with a whole lot of $hit before the ice crystals started appearing. Now I don't take $hit off of any blow hard know it all who thinks they are better than everyone else, but more so gets cheap thrills out of making ppl feel bad so they feel good. ya dig baby.
_____________________
FlipperPA Peregrine
Magically Delicious!
Join date: 14 Nov 2003
Posts: 3,703
01-12-2005 08:28
Uhhh, over night? Did I miss something? A town hall with Philip... a ton of discussion on how to keep the economy stable... suggestions and complaints about the rating system which have been going on for about a year now... people complaining about others making up nonsense events and cheating the system...

This to you is over night?

And I haven't ever worried one iota over you, just for the record. Your ability to defy logic and flip-flopping more than a politician made me ignore most of what you have to say LONG ago.

-Flip
_____________________
Peregrine Salon: www.PeregrineSalon.com - my consulting company
Second Blogger: www.SecondBlogger.com - free, fully integrated Second Life blogging for all avatars!
Obscuro Valkyrie
SL's Resident Vampyre
Join date: 22 Oct 2003
Posts: 72
01-12-2005 08:29
ut oh.. someones reality check bounced
_____________________
"I will be immortal until the day I die"
Catherine Cotton
Tis Elfin
Join date: 2 Apr 2003
Posts: 3,001
01-12-2005 08:31
From: FlipperPA Peregrine
I'm crushed. I'm just waiting for the next "I'm leaving for real" post from you over this fairly minor change. What would that be? #5, 6, 7, 8? I've completely lost track.

Your credibility is a foundation build on quicksand. I like to think mine is fairly well thought-of, despite my being a wise-ass.

-Flip


Ahh poor baby is crushed, how sad for you. As for my credibility why don't we let me worry about that. I am sure you have far more important things to do than to track my every move and post honey. Your post was the post of a troll who is trying to start up some $hit and nothing more. Please do us all a favor and find something to to with all this time on your hands, its not healthy to be so preoccupied with what one poster is or isn't doing.

Bub bye now :D
_____________________
1 2 3