Second Life Citizens for T.A.C.T.

You are really wearing that supportive alt crown well. I know I picked the right person.

Look, I don't have to abide by T.A.C.T.

That is the whole point.

I don't have to abide by it because I haven't signed it; it hasn't even been written, and it won't be.

Yes, it might have been difficult getting people on board with the concept, but that it why I was hoping to get people who agreed with the principle - of having more civil discussions in the forums - to get with me to work out the guidelines. The ones I listed here were merely the only ideas I could come up with that seemed livible.

I was trying to come up with something. With the help of others. Do you know what that process is like? It requires discussing something civilly, not turning it around and calling me a church lady or saying I am insulting you by the very idea.

Since there is no T.A.C.T., I'm perfectly free to say how much some of you piss me off by refusing to grasp points of things, and just blindly go on reaching conclusions that were never there. I am perfectly free to fly off the handle and say screw it.

One last time: I didn't list those things because I am so great at doing them. I listed them in the hopes that we might get together and try to list guidelines and all try them and the forums would become better.

The end.

coco

What the heck is this "supportive alt crown" crap?

See Kelley, it really is hopeless around here.

Bloody hopeless.

coco

P.S. "similarly when, someone uses the word "tact" and goes about saying how tactless everyone else is, then that calls into question whether or not that person understand tacts as most people understand tact."

That - above - is from another thread which I have apparently inspired. I never said how tactless everyone else is compared to me. I've gone to pains to point out that I am just one of us in this regard. But those of you who saw the beginnings of my idea, when I first started discussing it in another thread, may remember I said one problem we would face was the "holier than thou" problem.

Well, there it is. Except that I'm the only one facing it. What fun.

Thanks a lot kids. I just love playing here on the forums with everyone.

And this, summed up, was the doom of the effort in the beginning. If the only reason to be, well, tactfull is because you made a pledge to be, it's probably doomed to failure. Particularly if there are no censures... This is why the concept of the "swear jar" type system exists to this day (Though, the few times I've seen things like that tried, it mostly turns into a way to save a small amount of money for a rainy day...)

Our swear jars never worked either, lol.

However I don't care about this topic anymore. I've already taken enough beatings for it, I think.

coco

P.S. It wouldn't be the only reason to be tactful. It would have been a way to remember to be MORE tactful.

It's only hopeless if you give up any hope. These forums have already improved in tenor ten-thousand fold, and they only seem to be getting better as the days go by. There were a dozen new threads when I logged in this morning, and they were all useful discussions about building, scripting, politics, land, and all of the other core stuff. This is 180° from how things were just two weeks ago.



I'm afraid I don't understand. If you would like to see more civility in the forums, don't you think it would be wise to start the trend yourself? You can make pronouncements from on high, but if you're playing in the muck then you're going to have a tough time persuading people. Thus far, I've seen most people exhibit a good amount of self-control and tact when responding. People are generally willing to discuss things politely so long as they aren't referred to as alts or teakettles.

The Lindens must be having so much fun dealing with this.

Jeska probably has a big bruise on her forehead from banging it on her desk all day.

You have your entertainment, I have mine.

I bet it's not as big as mine.

(I felt like such a guy saying that. So that's what it's like. )

seeing how we are currently left T.A.C.Tless (some of us longer than others) - in an attempt to fill the void I will be forming the group:

The Brotherhood of Evil Genius' For A Better Tomorrow...


Sorry, no cool acronym... I couldn't find think of one that fit into F.A.R.T, P.O.O.H, or B.O.L.L.O.C.K.S...

Siggy.

I think things are a lot better.

However, the question is - is it better because people are trying or because of the new rules?

I think it's because people are trying. But, maybe the new rules are helping a bit.

I think it a combination.
The new rules are a firecracker thrown into the middle of a crowd, which upon popping, compelled those within earshot to turn and look at the same place -- and being the good intelligent people most of us are, began to try with greater diligence.

This thread is very much drifted the realm of off-topic land and as such is being moved.

So basically, when Jeska suggests the idea, it's fascist conspiracy, but when you suggest it, it's a great idea, Cocoa?

It's definitely a combination of factors... the new rules have people thinking a bit more about what they post and the biggest daily agitator is no longer throwing matches and gasoline into a dozen threads a day. I hope it stays this way. The discussions are a lot more productive and it's just all around more pleasant to browse the forums now.

In response to the thread topic, I admire and applaud the sentiment behind it, but I just don't feel it's necessary. We should all be trying to be civil and tactful anyway. Nice thought though

Just to drive things completely off topic... here is a painting I uploaded for my (new) Neualtenburg Unterschlupf!

"Hope"

(actually "Hope II" by Gustav Klimt.

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I disagree.

History is fairly clear on the fact that you cant legislate or order people to be moral or to behave.

The closest systems to that approach, (fascistic or totalitarian ones), always have more law breakers and crime and strife. IMO "Good behaviour" comes from within, always, and the most civilised societies in history are always those that manage to install moral values in their populace so they dont *have* to go around making thousands of silly laws about everything.

I am an atheist, but I think those religious nuts in the states are right whenthey talk about the "loss of moral values" that has occured over the last 20 years or so. I see people all the time in RL doing things that to them (and seemingly to most others) are "normal" but even 20 years ago would be considered outrageously selfish or morally bankrupt. This lack of a belief in right and wrong is to my mind the root of a lot of our problems today.

Think of the height of Japanese culture, or Victorianism for that matter. Good civil behaviour is always about shared moral values and internalised moral beliefs. The society that relies on policing and on lots of rules and penalties has already lost the civilisation battle IMO.

A little over a hundred years ago, there were no *police* per se. Today it is a growth industry

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Goddamit, what a ridiculous idea, I'm not gonna try it.

WE'RE TYPING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OH wait what does that mean agin? No thank you I am not signing up for T.A.C.T the Tactless.

You mean this thread is still going on?

How hysterical!

I left it, and had no idea even that it had been moved to the off-topic forum!

I oughta just post all my threads here in the first place, huh.

Actually, I don't start that many threads. Never did, anywhere. When I posted a new thread about the Linden bridge, it got moved here. You know, having nothing to do with SL and all.

As for this thread, well hell, I sure am glad I haven't been mucking around in THIS snake pit anymore.

For those late in replying, there IS no T.A.C.T. I had received encouragement on it from another member of these forums, who responded in this thread, or I wouldn't have brought it up in the first place. But I dropped it back there when I first said screw it. I guess it was kind of like suggesting the inmates voluntarily join a sewing circle in the state penitentiary, or at the local boxing league, hahahahaha.

But I was an idiot. I don't know how long it has been since I originally got this idea, but I am not the same idealistic person I was about the game and the forums then, and you won't be seeing anything like this from me again.

coco

Actually, it was more like the latest self-appointed commissar showing up on your doorstep and asking you to join their new 'We're not the thought police... really!' group.



Sure you are, you just don't make the mistake of publicly making it known you expect the world to conform to your ideals as often, since the reality that the world generally doesn't care to conform to your ideals (especially when presented in a tone of self-righteous superiority and patronization) tends to fluster you.