LL Penal System Stinks

when LL takes action against SL residents:

1) you don't know about the charges until after the judgment..
2) you don't know who your accusers are.
3) you can't make a statement in your defense until after the judgment is made.
4) and the process takes so long that the punishment concludes before any remedy or appeal can be made.
5) and then you can't even kvetch about it public (lest it be called an appeal).

This is one advantage of player governments in that you would have a better feedback cycle and leverage (a democratic vote) to effect change in the dispute resolution system.

That being said, such player governments should be built 100% bottom up without any LL intervention..

Not sure this is possible. We need the Lindens for legitimacy.

How so?

If you don't follow our group rules we ban you from our sim.

blah blah blah.

Trimda - do us both a favor and please put me on ignore.

Either that, or we accept that SL is the virtual wild wild west and solve our problems without Linden intervention.

Paolo, that is exactly what I meant.

For me, that solution is to get together with your friends and create some like minded rules about behaviour. If one of your friends doesn't follow the rules, he no longer is welcomed.

Interesting idea. Maybe the use of duals to settle our differences. Kris Ritter, will ye joust me?

ll could change things to make things better. with or without resident government.

any player ran dispute resolution system would simply be a popularity contest.

What she said ....

Hehe, I resisted the urge to throw in some other wild west metaphors in my first post, but thank you for indulging!

Blaze, I should clarify that I don't necessarily want either Linden government OR player government. I'm suggesting that maybe we treat this like the frontier game that it is, and deal with our issues one-on-one. If the Lindens were to get out of the behavior monitoring business, relying only on qualified abuse reports, they would be able to quickly resolve the handful of major problems while we merrily work out our minor problems like the adults we are (pretend to be?).

Toy,

Scenario:

1. A group owns a sim.
2. Player in group is verbally abussive, harasses other players, or makes a bad LSL script.
3. Player gets banned from group and sim.
4. Group never has to worry about player again.


Voila. Player government.

Paolo,

Yes, that is an approach. It's not really one that is extremely conducive to civilized behaviour though.. The wild wild west days were never noted for being a very constructive time.

For example, look how many people hang out in Jesse.

Well Blaze, why do you take every possible opportunity to push this "self-governing player body" stuff across in the forums? Infact, it becomes very much annoying that you have this ability to post pro-government posts at any possible opportunity. I feel, you are doing a severe disservice to the cause as it just irritates people needlessly with something that a whole forum is dedicated to. No, I won't put you on mute. Why don't you do us both a favour, and throw your keyboard out the window?

Please, listen to your fearless leader, and show some restraint. You're going way to far with this stuff. I began to read this thread and was looking forward to discuss it, just to see you already took the opportunity to spam the post, and once again, turn a thread into your own personal soap box to dictate to the entire forum community that you are correct. Please, go elsewhere and sell your snakeoil, I've got enought already.

As far as I know, we've had several player-government setups in SL so far. We've also had one quasi-official monarch. What makes you think this hasn't been tried (unsuccessfully) already?

Trimda,

Why don't you put me on ignore? I don't understand.

Are you worried I might be corrupting the minds of other people or something and wish to police me?

Jacq,



They have been tried and they do/don't work to some degree. Which really makes me wonder why people freak out about this so much, because it is already happening.

My only point, which is important but seems to go unheard, is that this is what we must keep player governments restrained to and nothing more.

so what of a player doing wrong in a sandbox? We already have in place what your saying, but its called groups, not goverments.

Toy,

You bring up an awesome point. Sanboxes must continue to be LL governed and should never be player governed.

These are 'shared' community spaces.. players should never be responsible for governing them.

Que?

And who governs a group that is made up of trouble makers? You see it all comes down to LL being the final solution to any dispute. The rest is immaterial.

Moopf,

dude. You either have a question or you are griefing me. Either way, you might want to be a bit more specific..

Toy,

A group of troublemakers will probably find themselves iconstrained to Jesse type sims.

I agree! LL should supply better penises! I mean, come on, the penal attachments don't look very realistic and they keep whispering to me...I try to ignore the whispering..but it just goes on and on and on..

I really don't know how much more of this I can take before my penis takes control and sends my on a bizare, frantic, sexual escapade..probably involving sheep...

Ah right, you added the second bit after I first replied My question was what do you mean? Your second bit answers that. I just couldn't understand where you were coming from with that statement, that is all. Griefer's a little harsh, I feel