Free speach BS!

Just to let everybody know... you have no "freedom of speach" here. WEll you are free to write anything you want, but this is a PRIVATE forum... Lindens are GOD! You have NO rights! You follow the rules or get plastered to the wall!

BTW... what happen with Rivn? I would like to read that thread... wanna see what happened.

Am I missing something?? This IS a private forum...this IS a private beta, the Linden's OWN IT !! We are here at their grace. Did you take time to read the rules, or like most of us, did you just check "I Agree" and move on? YES.....we follow their rules !!

Also, you can ride the “freedom” of speech bandwagon only so far. When it turns to outright hate, and willful attacks to lifestyle, then that is no longer freedom of speech. We are now bordering on bigotry and racism, neither of which belongs in ANY world, let alone SL. I for one feel what Rivn, aka Olar, did was WRONG and applaud the Linden’s for removing the thread. It was offensive and gives the totally wrong idea to the new people reading it. I believe the whole idea behind SL is have fun and feel safe, do things we can’t do in the RW, somewhere we can escape from the threats of war and crime, NOT bring our prejudices here and force them on everyone.

I truly do not write this to offend, however the Linden's need to know that some of us agree with what they did and stand behind them.


Tracey

Well said, Tracey.

I didn't think Nexus was complaing. I thought he was just reminding peole not to get their undies in a bind because you can't say anything you feel like here. The morality is legislated here and maybe that is because some people can't control themselves.

I was not... just reminding.... she wasn't bashing... right?

So Rivn's post got DEL?

Me? No way. Especially not the guy who lives next to me! You have a great view to wear I am hiding all of the bodies...

I saw the post and I'm glad I did. I found it to be personaly offensive. I like to know who I'm dealing with. In the future I'll know who to stay away from.
If we were paying customers I think the ban would be the correct way to go. In a beta test though, I don't know.

what is emencely funny here is you all are forgetting who called the first name!
And most didnt see the post it wasnt there but for maybe an hour
that in itself is very important!!

So some guy walks up to you and bloodies your nose are you NOT compelled to kick his a$$ ?

let whoever wouldnt do anything in return reply the rest should just shut up

There's battle lines being drawn
Nobody's right if everybody's wrong
Young people speaking their minds
Getting so much resistance from behind
-Buffalo Springfield

Olar, I think you a wrong, just because you have been wronged doesn't make it right for you to wrong back. It may seem cliche but "two wrongs don't make a right."
I don't know what was said, but no matter wwhat, there are certain things, that whether "free" speech allows them or not, are wrong, and the moderators have the right and responsibility to remove them.

-Pat Murphy

sorry to disagree but ,
If the party of the first part hadnt started the name calling then
there would have been no retaliation period, so if your going to look at it from the aspect as to what name was the worst name then you must rethink that and consider what was the first wrong done and what did it cause to transpire thereafter


"hey whats that sound everybody look whats goin down"
<Buffallo Springfield>

Ever feel like no one is listening to you? Ya keep saying the same thing over and over, but no one seems to be offering you any sympathy. You might want to think about why that is.
Saying that you are oppressed by the cliques or SL is laughable. If it is EVERYONE else that seems to have a problem, maybe it is not them.

some ppl enjoy building
some ppl enjoy scripting
some ppl enjoy exploring
some ppl hanging out and chatting
some ppl enjoy competing in contests
and
some ppl enjoy trolling the forums for arguments

move along, nothing to see here =]

bp

*bows head*
Yes officer....
*slinks away*

These are not the posts you are looking for........
Tropper: These are not the posts we are looking for....

Move along ..
Trooper: Move along ....

Valfaroth Grimm started this bullshit he called the first name those are the facts !
If you cant deal with the FACTS then close your eyes and dream that Gore is the President if you so desire but remember dreams are not reality!!

Its beyond me why people are so blind to reality
And if any of your think for even a millasecond that I give a damn about what you THINK, then perhaps you should think again and again and again








sittin here watchin it sink, note more people have left this game than remain playing ever wonder why?????
its pretty simple go look in the mirror

Olar, you ARE a dork, you already lost access as Rivn, don't you think it's time to give it a rest?

Or do you have three accounts ????????

Nobody.....let me repeat.......NOBODY wants to hear you whine any longer.





If you didn't care, you wouldn't be lurking around the forum looking to stir things up more !!!

Sometimes who started it doesn't matter.

It's who crossed the line.

For little kids "who started it first" matters more because they haven't had the experience to figure out where the line is. That is what parent's teach them when they say 'I don't care who started it first! Go to your room!".

It is the province of adults to be able to figure out where "the line" lies. It is the province of adults to choose whether they cross that line or not. Most importantly, it is the province of adults to accept responsibility for their actions independant of which side of the line they are on. It is the province of children to blame your actions on another.

When you are posting on a private forum, owned by a private party, it is they who get to draw that line wherever they see fit. And it can be as crooked as they want. As an adult it is still your responsibility to figure out where that line is and be responsible for your actions. Cross it if you must but take what comes of it.

All of life is checks and balances, costs and benefits. I could go rob a liquer store. But for me the highly probable cost of jail and personal injury outweigh the not very probably gain.

This is all preachy I know. Oh well.

Upon further scrutiny, I have determined, in my opinion, that the first wrong done would have been that a certain person attacked an entire community on a daily basis and it caused an entire community to become angry, not to mention hurt, and it also caused a few to speak against him. What "transpired thereafter" was the same individual caused a further ruccous that frankly people are tired of hearing. (which by the way is being carried on anew by another individual) It was this further diruption, in my mind, which caused the actions taken against him, not the "initial attacks", as has been previously stated.



On that we agree.



If this is indeed the case then why do you post day after day. If you don't care then why listen.

(To everyone else: I didn't post for the last few days whenever this was brought up. I wanted to let it die out, but that is obviously not going to happen. I'm sorry you have to read this garbage.)

To Rivn/Olar - isn't it time we set this aside and go on our seperate ways? Do we really need to continue this in public? It does nothing, changes no one's minds, and is probably getting quite annoying. Let it Die.

Edit:

it seems the public spoke before i got a chance.

(Zoli repeats in a High-pitched whinney mocking voice from gradeschool days gone by)

Dude, the horse is dead,, put down the flogger.

its only dead when the Justice is equal for all, and in this case it is not !
I guess you are confortable where someone can wrong you and if you dare to condem them in return your punished and they are left to go on about there biusiness....

Then they do it again while the the 1 is suspended and they still remain!

you like a system that is biased and corrupt?
are you willing to tolerate that?
Im not and wont and will continue to complain until justice is served

and Zoli you had a link to a porn site in one of your posts and you didnt get the hook from the game so as far as doing somthing wrong here your not beyond it so careful now...

yes the post was in the jail thread page 3 I believe , it was edited out by moderatorbut was there for a few days

yes, someone else called rivn a name first. however the name was then followed by a statement that actualy had some meaning. Rivn's reply was merely a retaliation, it had no relevance to the discussion beyond making rivn feel better. when that happens, when an argument degenerates down to mere name calling, the argument is over, because the person who is just calling someone names has nothing of relevance to say. i do not necessarily agree with the thread being deleted entirely, but it is not my call. the banning... well i will have to post my thoughts on that later, since i have a meeting to go to.

*points and laughs* haha, you have a meeting to go to this early!
Someone else: *whisper whisper whisper*

Dammit, I thought you were in my timezone...

heh yeah the whole on another continent bit gets em everytime, like now, i am eating my lunch, as i return to finish my post

the root of the problem here is that there a lot of people who, when online, forget that the avatar they or interacting with or the post they just read is actually another person some where else. it is very much akin to 'road rage,' where people drive see only the other cars, and not the people inside them. There is a seeming lack of consequences for ones actions...which breeds situations like the one we are currently discussing.

i try to look at each action in its context, to determine if it is this lack of understanding(that the online world is actually very much like the RW) or if in fact it is griefing, because the two are separate, and they both deserve different consequences. which ultimately leads to the situation at hand... was rivn being a griefer, or did he just forget that there were other people who would be affected by his post... given pervious postes, namely the one about 'true' friends, i think it is more the lack of understanding than a griefer. so was the banning an approriate consequence for his action, i think so. in the long run, what is 2 days, it merely serves as a reminder that a certain amount of courtesy is expected. it just seems like a big deal because it is the first ban, at least half of the community saw what caused it and got aggravated by it, and rivn has been the center of problems before.

it is all part of becoming a community. <shurgs>

Dude. U want Justice... go buy a comicbook. No better yet... Justice has been served.... somewhere in the world. Maybe you can find it on CNN.com ... now SHUT UP!

Ama very well said.

We all hear things that we dont like. We are all called names that are not nice. That's life. Being attacked in small ways and in large ways, is something that happens. I'm not saying it's right, I'm saying it's fact.

Maturity comes not from how well you strike back, but rather from how well you moderate your response.

Let me state that again.. how well *YOU* moderate *YOUR* response.

I was raised to follow a simple belief. "Tell people to go to hell in such a way as they look forward to the trip".

Returning hate for hate only strengthens the loop, makes it that much more inescapable. Someone has to break that chain. Someone has to step back and say "enough, is this really worth it".

*That* someone is accepting the responsibility, being the adult.

Someone calls me a bad name or insults my ideas/opinions. so what? does it hurt? maybe. if, a) I care what they think and b) they know what their talking about. But does that give me license to attack them back? An interesting question. Especially considering the fact that if I do attack back I'm letting *that* person control ME!

In the end we all dont have to get along, but we all should try to be adults.