New Security script - debate

ok, I have been reading the forums about the existing security systems in SL.
I found several points disturbing.
. these scripts are imediate and severe
. Many times the owner is not there nor is anyone else
. When used, many owners get abuse reported and banned ( way to go Lindens, ugg)
^^^^^ Just a personal opinion with the ugg

What I have done in responce to this is make a new security system.
Though it is not finished I have 99 percent of the logic done. I would like feedback on my idea. once I am finished with the scripts I will release it in the scripting tips/library forums so everyone can use it.

Basically this is what it does.

A. It must have avatar intervention. ( the system holds a notecard with a list of allowed avatars who can command it.)

B. it steps through 4 "Security Levels" part of the offenders name is all that needs to be inputed Level 1 is a warning with llSay. Level 2 is a second warning with llSay.
Level 3 will eject the avatar from the property, and Level 4 will teleport them home.
Level 4 obviously will have to change to maybe a bounce if the teleport Home function is removed.

C. at the end of the day it will email ( to the email address that is located inside another notecard) the list of offenders as proof of the steps that had to be taken to rid the area of a griefer. and then reset clearing the lists.

Instant messages could be polaced in some areas, and I wish I knew how to script an abuse report.
but...

I am roughly a day or 2 from having it completed and would love to hear feedback.

This script is intended to be more passive aggressive and hopefully will deter the griefer.

I understand the possibilities for extended griefing while you must wait for the levels to progress. But with the evidence emailed to you and having friends able to help out plus the multiple warnings it is my hope to avoid the above complaints of the previous security systems.


So please respond, sugest, heck bug me for the code.. I would love to know what everyone would like this system to be...

Just understand I am not the cleanest scripter out there.

This looks as if it would be a good solution for groups. I like the idea of different levels of responses to griefers.

Sounds good to me, although I am curious about one aspect:

"part of the offenders name is all that needs to be inputed"

Could people with similar or same names, be mistaken for each other?

yes so whoever inputs the name MUST be careful, that is one downside in the script. and if need be they can always type in the full name

I hope this never comes to pass. No matter how carefully you script something, whether or not an AR should be filed /requires/ an intelligent judgement. The instant someone figures out a way to script AR's, the abuse manager will be flooded with bogus reports and reports of /actual/ abuse will take forever to go through due to that. I also don't imagine the administrators would appreciate that too much.

I'm the last person to crush a person's attempts at creating something. However, I have a problem with these sorts of devices.

You might want to check out Robin Linden's response to someone asking about more clarification on these types of scripts.

She says in part:

"Be careful though, that your script doesn't cause them to crash (which often happens with the teleport home command) or throw them a long distance across the sim. It should also not create a no-fly zone, where someone just flying by gets tossed out. Any of these situations can be considered abuse and will be cause for discipline with repeated incidents."

There are many who disagree with me on my position on these devices, and that is simply this. They are not necessary, I feel that that the land tools in this area work perfectly fine for people unwanted people out. It is also my opinion that if you DO create "security" devices there is no need to EVER have a setting that does more than remove a person from the property lines.

Booting them across the sim or into other sims or back to their home is simply overkill and in my opinion is basically a form of griefing. You want to make sure someone stays off your property not kick them off the grid.

You can also check out Lee Linden's wish list for those who create "security" devices/scripts. Lee also mentions that there is no need to for having overly aggressive settings on these.

He says in part:

"llPushObject should not be used in a security script; it's totally unnecessary.
llTeleportAgentHome is also a bit unfair to people attempting to fly to another location, and should also not be used.
Both these functions have the potential to disconnect someone from Second Life, which is considered a disruptive action."

thus the reason I wrote this script

you have a point. it could get ugly rather quick.

Hmm how about just IMing all the lindens then? hehehe j/k

I have a new policy.

ANY script that bounces me I automatically file an abuse report

Get it !!!

Vote for my proposal banning any security device that does anything except put up a wall around the property.

Magnum,

That may be insufficient. What about folks who sit at the edge of the property line, and drop griefing objects onto where they're banned?

What about folks who sit at the edge of the property line, and use chat/shout grief?

Liason response time can be slow at times, and for chat/shout grief - response is nonexistent, save for the reccomendation to file an abuse report.

Wouldn't the best solution be to focus our energies on some tools that would prevent griefing *before* it happens, so that the *need* for security scripts is nullified in the first place?

I'd rather have it so that its difficult to grief someone who doesn't want to be - and have no security scripts at all.

I would tend to agree with Travis, and I have never used a security script yet.

BUt until the system is fixed to make griefing a imposiblity, I do think this new system is the next best thing.

Magnum, if you get bounced, ported, ejected from property.. it is because you would not leave well enough alone. my script must have an avatar control it for it to do it's thing. Even if you are on the highest level list someone would need to tell it to port you.

You would be completely safe unless your mind was so warped that you thought they liked being shot at. And you could not realise they wanted you to stop all the way up to the highest level.

Ditto, especially if I'm innocently travelling around minding my own business.
imo airspace between the height of the built in security limit and the max flyable height ( without scripts ) is airspace that belongs to all of us. Any script that pushes me out it will always get an abuse report from me. I've read many arguments and there's not one that can justify these stupid antisocial devices. If you really need some kind of privacy then build your place higher than unaided flyable height.

I also file abuse reports against the creators of these griefing tools.

The problem is that a significant portion of the populace would use it illegitimately.

I am looking for input on the script and it's idea itself. please read the description of this script and post. I don't mind negative, helpful, or positive posts about it.

I understand feelings about the current security scripts out there now.
I understand both sides, which is why I am trying to help with this one.

I have heard 1 useful bad comment about the script and some support as well.

understand. This will be released. 99 percent certain it will be free.

I am just a few days at most away from having the basic script finished.

I need as much input on it's functions as possible to make it as friendly as possible.

for those that hate security scripts (especially because it has the name "Security " in it) I have what I believe to be a fair deal... Pay me 50,000 L and I will give the script to you to destroy.

Since that won't be happening, look for posts on it's release soon.

Otherwise please explain why you like/dislike one or more of it's functions, possible alternatives and such.

Perwin then why have this stuff in your script?

"B. it steps through 4 "Security Levels" part of the offenders name is all that needs to be inputed Level 1 is a warning with llSay.
Level 2 is a second warning with llSay.
Level 3 will eject the avatar from the property, and Level 4 will teleport them home. "

THATS the stuff I have issues with. Why the teleport home? That basically equals a crash and relog. That to me is griefing.

What if someone comes onto the property, is reasonable and friendly for 10 minutes, then suddenly decides to make an ass of themselves and refuses to leave?

For many commercial ventures , no one who is an "owner (ie in the land owning group)" of the land is around to take care of this.

Once they are inside the wall, and the people who work at a place decide a rude person needs to be outside of the wall, what then?

An intersting thought occured to me reading this.

Would a land tool addition / Inclusion that MUTED any speech allowed in the Land of any banned person be a useful idea?

SO the griefer could shout all they wanted from outside the property, but no on one the property could hear them.

Ahhh peace and quiet.

I sympathise with this problem. I have tenants with this recurring problem who run clubs or stores. But I do not believe the solution is to use bounce scripts -- at least bounce scripts that have no warning and bounce home and often cause a computer crash or at least great annoyance and inconvenience.

If you want total control of your land, buy it and remain the sole owner. If you want the ten percent advantage of group land, have officers in a group that you trust, and arrange for at least one officer to be online to run the club. If you rent, try to be available to your customers to do bouncing.

Griefing and the need for bouncing arises far less often than the incredible annoyance of bouncing avs who are innocently flying by, and even crashing their games. That's uncivil. Among them are your potential customers. So I personally cannot take that loss over the putative one-time value of being able to bounce people faster, farther or more "thoroughly".

Document the number of times you'll have to face a griefer, versus the number of people you alienate with the aggressive bounce script, and you'll come to this conclusion, too.

Perwin, that wasn't very clear in your original post, and it makes a lot of difference IMO. Actually, your original post wasn't real clear at all. I understand where you're going with this but I'm on the side of whoever said that no matter how you design it, someone will abuse it.


That's a beautiful idea, Colette. I'm foresquare in the corner of improved land security tools. I don't use scripts myself, though I have my land set to a limited access list. If a griefer wanted to /shout grief me or throw garbage on my property, it wouldn't stop him.

hmm

But in the case of someone who has worn out their welcome , maybe a warning then a push would be okay? Maybe one that spams lot of text to stop them from talking over the warnings, lol.

Usually people I need to go I can convince through IM's they are acting in an innaproriate manner.

Why some men feel a need to dance around naked in a Lesbian club though, I have no idea.

A few thoughts -

Perwin: I know you started this thread to get feedback on your security script you're working on. This is a *very* hot issue for a lot of residents - its hard not to discuss some of the overall issues residents have with them.

I will say this about your script: If you are using a push script to deal with the target griefer, it is with no debate - against the TOS. We can debate whether it *should* be against the TOS - but frankly, Linden has made it pretty clear that it is. Leaving that function in your script would be a huge mistake, and open yourself and the user up to abuse reporting. I'd strongly reccomend you remove that portion - regardless of how many warning levels your script steps through before it reaches that.

---

Colette: The ability to 'mute' chat from an avatar outside a parcel is one of the requests in prop 244

---

Also: I think its important to note that there seems to be 2 'flavors' of usage for security scripts:

1. Privacy.
2. Anti-Grief.

I'm not offering this as a justification - more that I think it's helpful for the purposes of discussion to understand the motivation of folks using these kinds of devices.

If we could understand the motivation - and strike directly at that - I'd think that would be more effective in the long run than any sort of community pressure, or TOS clarification. We can outlaw all forms of security scripts. But as long as Privacy and Grief issues exist, folks will try to find some other way to get around the issue.

You don't know how thankful I am for your post.

Currently there is no push in my script. 2 warnings, 1 eject, and then the infamous teleport home is all my script has. And I don't really plan on a push in it. The only time I MAY place a push in the script would be if the teleport from home was removed from the LSL.


My stance is that I personally don't care for the security scripts out there.
Ohh I just loved the one that said... Hey I see you so just letting you know you are now HOME!!!

I never understood the privacy issue as since, if you want privacy, why go into a world like SL?
The Anti-griefing issue is the only side I can understand, though I still don't know why some of the scripts out there just go after everyone right away.

I personally can't wait until the day when the scripts are no longer needed.


Edit:

The base script is done, I need to write up documentation for it then I'll release it. But I think since is does hold code that could be used for grief I will end up just selling it for DIRT cheap.

This sounds like a great script. I would like to see how it works.

While I don't feel I need any kind privacy in SL myself - I think I do understand the motivation, and the problem.

The motivation - is human nature.
The problem - is technical.

Because of the way we can zoom our camera around, and creatively 'pass thru walls' - there is no such thing as a locked door in SL. For those that either aren't social types, or want to be able to turn their socializing off & on - I can see where this could be a problem.

Unfortunately, the current, most common way of dealing with this problem is to either erect ban lines, or worse - use a security script that bounces *everyone* who comes near.

Solve the technical problem, and maybe they won't have the desire or need to affect the rest of us so they can have their privacy

Introducing the new Passive Aggressive Security system!!

PA Security System

The new PA Security System is meant to be a compromise from those that feel they need the privacy or anti griefng protection of a security system, and those that have
grown tired of the draconian everyone must be Teleported of shot across SIMs.


There are several key features that sets this system apart from the others.

1. Not Automated. This script can only function as long as there is a authorized avatar around to tell it to act. The names should be typed in case sensitive. The notecard within the PRIM is named "Trusted Avatars". This list of names also would allow multiple avatars to control the system so the owner would not need to be around all the time. (Caution! Only 1 avatar should try to command at one time).
An added bonus to this functionality is that the offender will not know just who exactly took action against them as multiple avatars could have. This gives a small bit of anonymity to the security personnel, and offers a small amount of protection from neg rates from those upset that their fun was just ruined.

2. there are 4 security levels that an offender progresses through.
Level 1: A warning is sent out across chat channel 0. This will use a nice llSay to send the message.

Level 2: A 2nd warning is shouted out allowing the offender to understand that their actions are not welcomed and they should cease their griefing.

Level 3: This is the first level that actually takes physical action against an avatar. This Level ejects the offender from the parcel. It is hoped by this time they understand their griefing is not wanted and will either leave of behave themselves.
Level 4: It is with a heavy heart that this level is required in the script. This level is for those that want to do all they can to ruin the fun of others. This level will Teleport the offender home,

The progression through these 4 levels allows plenty of time for an offender to vacate or behave. This falls well within the time requirement set out by the Lindens.

3. This script will email the lists of offenders out to the email address that is added to the "Email" notcard within the PRIM.

4. The ability to reset the script is provided which would reset the lists and start fresh.


Setting up: Setting up should be fast and easy.

1. drop the system onto your property. It may be helpful to conceal it out of view.
I have left the PRIM modify enabled to allow to texturing, sizing, etc...
2. Edit both the "Email" and the "Trusted Avatars" notecards held within the PRIM.
3. Learn the commands. LOL
4. Hope you do not have to use the system.

That is all there is to it.

Current Commands list:
reset: Reset the scripts and the security level lists.

add: this adds a avatar's name to the security level lists. this is the primary command used. It will progressively advance the offender each time their name is entered. This command only needs enough of the offenders name to make it unique thus `/5 add per` will add Perwin Rambler or Personal Wishbringer to the list.

email: This emails out the lists to the email located in the "Email" Notecard.

Future commands under consideration:

remove: This would remove an avatar from a security level list. This is good for giving second chances but leaving others names on the lists.

list: This would be used to list out each security level of names so you may know just who was on the lists.

and it costs????? 10 L$ !!!!!

That is it! only 10 L$ It can be found in Lazland (51, 77)