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Followup to Hotline Stagecoach question

Newfie Pendragon
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09-19-2005 18:26
From: Eggy Lippmann
ATTN: Newfie Pendragon Re: Stagecoach
The Stagecoach Island game includes content made by SL residents.
As far as I know all people involved in this project were picked, contacted and compensated by Foxy Xevious. Please do not bother her about it.
This is a project "powered by" Second Life. One that uses SL as a platform.
You should not contact Linden Lab for info about this project, this is not part of the "real" SL you are used to, but rather a separate grid, with a separate client, separate signup process, separate support people, completely different economic model etc.
It will have absolutely no impact on your enjoyment of the "real" Second Life world or its economy.
Please contact me instead of Foxy, Jimmy or random Linden staff.
I will be happy to adress your concerns.


Thanks for the response. Rather than swamp the Hotline to Lindens thread, I'll post a thread here in General.

As this is more response than I've received from the Lindens, I'll just ask my questions here.

- If the vendors were picked from in-world residents by Foxy, why should I be asking someone other than Foxy?
- What criteria was used to pick these vendors?
- If this system uses a separate grid/economic model, what is the point of the vendors at all, and how does one get their own vendors included (you knew that one was coming)



- Newfie
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Lora Morgan
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09-20-2005 05:20
Vendors? As in vending machines? I think Eggy's talking about people who build for hire. I don't think Wells Fargo is obligated to justify or make public their hiring practices.
Enabran Templar
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09-20-2005 05:33
From: Lora Morgan
I think Eggy's talking about people who build for hire. I don't think Wells Fargo is obligated to justify or make public their hiring practices.


Hey.

Come on now.

Let's not get crazy.

Everyone who does anything with a gross cost above $1000 US needs to run their planning, especially their hiring, past the SL Creative Fairness Committee. This ensures mediocrity gets the same chance at success as excellence on the grid. If Wells Fargo has not submitted to this process of review, they're going to have to answer for it.
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Eggy Lippmann
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09-20-2005 05:43
Hi Newfie :)

- If the vendors were picked from in-world residents by Foxy, why should I be asking someone other than Foxy?

For the same reason that you usually don't bother the CEO of your ISP when your line goes down. Also, because I am a jaded old bastard, and Foxy is a sensitive person.
I can take all manner of criticism and drama with a smile on my face, and so I wish to shield her from that hassle. Please understand that Foxy's not some abstract entity, but a real person with a real life, and real feelings. I have known and worked with her for over a year, she is one of my best friends and I would never let people yell at her and make her sad.

- What criteria was used to pick these vendors?

Well, if you will accept "Whoever came to mind first" as a valid criterion... :)
She did ask around and took suggestions from a few people, so dont place the "blame" on her exclusively.

- If this system uses a separate grid/economic model, what is the point of the vendors at all,

There seems to be a bit of confusion here.
"Vendors" are people providing content, not vending machines.
Also, there aren't 20 of them. More like 10 or 12, unless you count the game park.
There are 5 single-person stores and a mall - None of the objects in them are owned by their creators.
The point of the vendors is to provide an opportunity for people to learn how to buy something with a Wells Fargo Debit Card, as well as a fun shopping experience, and the possibility of customizing your avatar with fancy clothing and hair and stuff.


- and how does one get their own vendors included (you knew that one was coming)

Well it's too late now. We have nothing against you and would have gladly included your content if it had come to our attention that you were interested. We had a lot of trouble getting enough people since it required a fair bit of work and you had to share your stuff with group, running the risk of it getting copied, and we could not offer much in the way of compensation either so we had to stick with close friends, and even then, we didnt exactly get their latest and greatest items.
If we ever need another content vendor I will personally make sure Foxy gets in touch with you.
Jesrad Seraph
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09-20-2005 06:07
Was there any public domain or open-source/free content included, too ? (just curious)
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Aimee Weber
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09-20-2005 06:12
From: Eggy Lippmann
Hi Newfie :) because I am a jaded old bastard, and Foxy is a sensitive person. I can take all manner of criticism and drama with a smile on my face, and so I wish to shield her from that hassle. Please understand that Foxy's not some abstract entity, but a real person with a real life, and real feelings. I have known and worked with her for over a year, she is one of my best friends and I would never let people yell at her and make her sad.


Eggy do you offer these services for hire? I can think of a few times where I would love to have directed people's comments and questions to you :D
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Eggy Lippmann
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09-20-2005 06:23
Jesrad - Not that I'm aware of. All content was provided directly by the respective owners.
Eggy Lippmann
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09-20-2005 06:25
From: Aimee Weber
Eggy do you offer these services for hire? I can think of a few times where I would love to have directed people's comments and questions to you :D

Aimee, for you, I would travel barefoot through the snow :D
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09-20-2005 06:56
From: Eggy Lippmann
For the same reason that you usually don't bother the CEO of your ISP when your line goes down.


Like Hell I don't!
Newfie Pendragon
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09-20-2005 07:20
From: Eggy Lippmann
Hi Newfie :)

- If the vendors were picked from in-world residents by Foxy, why should I be asking someone other than Foxy?

For the same reason that you usually don't bother the CEO of your ISP when your line goes down. Also, because I am a jaded old bastard, and Foxy is a sensitive person.
I can take all manner of criticism and drama with a smile on my face, and so I wish to shield her from that hassle. Please understand that Foxy's not some abstract entity, but a real person with a real life, and real feelings. I have known and worked with her for over a year, she is one of my best friends and I would never let people yell at her and make her sad.


I have in fact in the past pestered my ISP's CEO when my line went down. To be on the fair side though, I first went through customer service, got the runaround, then was told it'd be three weeks before they sent someone out to handle it.

In regards to wanting to shield her from yelling at her and all, I can appreciate the sentinment, but neither am I trying to locate someone to yell at, merely trying to determine your role in the whole matter. The Linden announcement was cryptic at best, and the '20 vendors' was mentioned as practically an afterthought. I was/am just trying to get some more details on what the '20 vendors' meant.


From: someone
- What criteria was used to pick these vendors?

Well, if you will accept "Whoever came to mind first" as a valid criterion... :)
She did ask around and took suggestions from a few people, so dont place the "blame" on her exclusively.


Fair 'Nuff.

From: someone
- If this system uses a separate grid/economic model, what is the point of the vendors at all,

There seems to be a bit of confusion here.
"Vendors" are people providing content, not vending machines.
Also, there aren't 20 of them. More like 10 or 12, unless you count the game park.
There are 5 single-person stores and a mall - None of the objects in them are owned by their creators.


The count of 20 was the number stated in the Linden announcement.

From: someone
The point of the vendors is to provide an opportunity for people to learn how to buy something with a Wells Fargo Debit Card, as well as a fun shopping experience, and the possibility of customizing your avatar with fancy clothing and hair and stuff.


- and how does one get their own vendors included (you knew that one was coming)

Well it's too late now. We have nothing against you and would have gladly included your content if it had come to our attention that you were interested. We had a lot of trouble getting enough people since it required a fair bit of work and you had to share your stuff with group, running the risk of it getting copied, and we could not offer much in the way of compensation either so we had to stick with close friends, and even then, we didnt exactly get their latest and greatest items.
If we ever need another content vendor I will personally make sure Foxy gets in touch with you.


That does go a lot farther in explaining what was meant in the Lindens announcement. I do in fact have a few items I'd be more than happy to donate to the cause, no compensation asked. Like you sy, though, at this point it is likely too late.

I am offering an observation in good faith though. No matter how large or how close a group of friends may be, that circle has a limited and finite range. There are many such groups in SL, and many more of individuals who have great talent and generosity that may have liked to donate to a good cause. If one only asks around in their circle of friends, then the options available will be by nature limited to only those who are in the clique. Those who are outside that circle - either by circumstance or by choice - will be precluded from being able to offer their own unique talents to the project.

Perhaps I missed it, but is there a spot (website/sim/etc) where one can be made aware of when the group is looking for such items?)


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Eggy Lippmann
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09-20-2005 07:33
Jimmy sometimes posts news and tutorials on http://bedazzle.grfx.at but it doesnt see much use, IMHO.