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Dianne Mechanique
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09-06-2005 16:23
From: Zorena Deckard
She states in a self portrait on Snapzilla. "Anyone who thinks these grades are of any value beyond my own amusement needs to be smacked with a moist mackrel." AnneDroid Lily

I suggest you grade her self portrait .

I also found her criteria vague and most of her comments not critiques but downright hurtful.
I saw your display Lash and it was very artistic which is what I was led to believe was the aim behind Burning Life. :)
I also thought Burning Life was primarily about art and designing things out of prims.

This person says upfront that she is not an artist, says a couple of times she "doesn't understand art," and even comments that some of them are "just art" so she's giving them a low grade????
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Aliasi Stonebender
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09-06-2005 16:24
Me, I just say this:
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Camille Serpentine
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09-06-2005 16:25
From: AnneDroid Lily


Camille: I do intend to have further looks at the builds. I encourage anyone to IM me if you want to give me a more in-depth description of your build.




there's no need. just pointing out that the pictures of the numbered plots don't seem to match the plots near me.
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AnneDroid Lily
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09-06-2005 16:33
From: Camille Serpentine
there's no need. just pointing out that the pictures of the numbered plots don't seem to match the plots near me.


The numbering I used for the pictures is simple chronological order, and not in any way related to the plot number assigned by the lindens. Sorry if that caused any confusion.
Maxx Monde
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09-06-2005 16:38
I have no problem with someone posting an opinion about my builds.

I did it when I got here, as a newbie, and it was amusing how many people I managed to offend. Really, when you get down to it, its intent. I believe Anne just wanted to evaluate the builds according to her own internal grading, which she certainly is free to do.

It doesn't bother me in the slightest, and it really shouldn't bother you guys, either.

Better than me doing it, I can tell you right now -- I don't think you'd want to know. :)
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stpaulsub Clio
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09-06-2005 17:01
what bothers me most is the pic of mine with the statement ";(no review by request)"
i made no such request
i personbally think that Anee who i know and like taltally missed teh point of BL but that is my opinion
*shrugs* i am curious what she graded mine as i do not think i really belong there with talented builders but sorta ended up with that spot
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Katt Kongo
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09-06-2005 18:05
Awwww... Lash, I love your build! You know, it really doesn't matter what other people say or think, though I know it's hard to deal with. But if you had pride in your build and a sense of accomplishment, that should be enough.

Some people are going to criticize some of the time; other people are going to criticise ALL of the time.
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Seth Kanahoe
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09-06-2005 18:29
I'd like to thank A.L. for her review of my BL lot (#29), which stands as an artistic testament both to Linden customer service and Linden lack of interest in their own sponsored events.

Nearly a week of querying LL after an initial message asking me if I was interested in accepting an unclaimed BL parcel yielded no meaningful response from anyone, inworld, by e-mail or IM, or on the phone - especially frustrating since the land bears my name, but I cannot claim it because it's not set properly. (Tried giving it away on these forums, but apparently that didn't work either.)

So a blank parcel in BL2 seems most appropriate, and I'm glad it worked out for the best - artistically and message-wise. :rolleyes:

As for A.L.'s critiques, I can't follow her criteria. Her expectations seem to be an inconsistant mishmash of technical skills and entertainment - no "art" involved in her appreciation, I think. That's OK with me, it's just IMO - and I took it as a series of statements on personal preference. The grading was a bit anal, but that's just my aversion to American schoolroom culture.
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Forseti Svarog
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09-06-2005 18:33
Don't be upset, Lash. Your build looks great. A lot of the builds looked great. Anne is totally entitled to her opinion -- actually her dry opinion on all this was kind of funny.... I'm sitting here thinking "Anne, you are SUCH an engineer!" (/me ducks head)

She would have failed me too (if I had been able to get in world to build it) but that would have made me laugh....maybe because I like anne and her quirky sense of humor, but hopefully I would react that way for any critic. My build was going to be all artsy-fartsy, I admit it.

Don't take it all too much to heart, Lash, Jonquille (cool Shelley build -- that was you right?!), and anyone else on the verge of being offended

I appreciate that Anne put up pictures of so many builds for me, since the only way I can see BL is through Snapzilla

(p.s. nice post seth)
Siggy Romulus
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09-06-2005 18:42
I don't mind.. I make stuff that I think would be nifty or fun.. and others are free to draw their own conclusions about it.

I mean some people like Jackson Pollack, I think his stuff is up there with flaming dog shit... it's all in the eye of the beholder.

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Seth Kanahoe
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09-06-2005 18:46
From: Siggy Romulus
I mean some people like Jackson Pollack, I think his stuff is up there with flaming dog shit... it's all in the eye of the beholder.

Siggy.


Nice thing about Pollack is, he'd probably agree with you. And then run you over with his car.
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09-06-2005 19:15
i too appreciated annes doing a photo album since i cant get in to see it either...and if certain builders werent around to comment or explain their build then i can see how one could misunderstand certain ones..i also love annes sense of humor and got a chuckle from some things and some comments made me look closer at her pics...thanks anne for spending so much time puttin those pics up for goons like me to be even able to see it
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Lynn Lippmann
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09-06-2005 20:59
All I can say is that I actually logged into SL with the sole purpose of going to see all the wonderful creativity. I, personally, loved id.

Congratulations to all of you on the great builds, they were all very inspiring and beautiful.

Is there anyway to get the older photo's of Burning Life into Snapzilla for historical purposes?
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Torley Linden
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09-06-2005 21:09
Specifically directed at Lash, her sculptures enchanted me during the days she lived in Butsu. I marvelled at how she wrapped the vines over them too... it looked sort of like unpeeling one of those goldfoil-wrapped chocolate eggs. And then she came 'round and gave me a tour of her UNDERWATER house. How very rare. Ah, good times, just wanted to share this happy memory! :)

LOLOLOLOLASH
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Forseti Svarog
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09-06-2005 21:25
From: Seth Kanahoe
Nice thing about Pollack is, he'd probably agree with you. And then run you over with his car.



From an interview with William Wright in 1950
WW: Mr. Pollock, in your opinion, what is the meaning of modern art?
JP: Modern art to me is nothing more than the expression of contemporary aims of the age that we're living in.

WW: Did the classical artists have any means of expressing their age?
JP: Yes, they did it very well. All cultures have had means and techniques of expressing their immediate aims -- the Chinese, the Renaissance, all cultures. The thing that interests me is that today painters do not have to go to a subject matter outside of themselves. Most modern painters work from a different source. They work from within.

WW: Mr. Pollock, there's been a good deal of controversy and a great many comments have been made regarding your method of painting. Is there something you'd like to tell us about that?
JP: My opinion is that new needs need new techniques. And the modern artists have found new ways and new means of making their statements. It seems to me that the modern painter cannot express this age, the airplane, the atom bomb, the radio, in the old forms of the Renaissance or of any other past culture. Each age find its own technique.

WW: Mr. Pollock, the classical artists had a world to express and they did so by representing the objects in that world. Why doesn't the modern artist do the same thing?
JP: H'm -- the modern artist is living in a mechanical age and we have a mechanical means of representing objects in nature such as the camera and photograph. The moderns artist, it seems to me, is working and expressing an inner world -- in other words -- expressing the energy, the motion, and other inner forces.

WW: Would it be possible to say that the classical artist expressed his world by representing the objects, whereas the modern artist expresses his world by representing the effects the objects have upon him?
JP: Yes, the modern artist is working with space and time, and expressing his feelings rather than illustrating.

WW: Mr. Pollock, isn't it true that... your technique is important and interesting only because of what you accomplish by it?
JP: I hope so. Naturally, the result is the thing -- and -- it doesn't make much difference how the paint is put on as long as something has been said. Technique is just a means of arriving at a statement.



One thing about pollack -- he really knew how to play the game. Plus he was really goddamn photogenic with a cigarette.
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09-06-2005 22:02
I'm actually glad to see the feedback. Sometimes it takes an honest opinion from someone outside the project to help you see what's missing.


And LASH! You can't punish the rest of us because of what one person said!
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Cristiano Midnight
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09-06-2005 22:11
Now for the "the views expressed are not the views of the NBC broadcast network" disclaimer:

I wanted to make something clear, as I have received several negative comments from people about AnneDroid's pictures. AnneDroid's opinions are her own, and she is free to express them. I do not share them, but I respect her right to express them - just as it is the right of others to react to that criticism. I will not censor the comments - feel free to refute them in the comments on the individual entries. I hope people will view her comments in the spirit intended, as one person's reaction to the art. If nothing else, she was quite comprehensive in covering the works at Burning Life, and I thank her for documenting them on Snapzilla.

I personally find the works at Burning Life to be exceptional, and it is why I have dedicated so much coverage and promotion to the event. Thank you to everyone who has worked so hard - it has not gone unnoticed or unappreciated.
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Huns Valen
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09-06-2005 22:14
She gave me a C, and I can see where she's coming from on that. Reading over the grades she gave others, I get the impression she set out without any solid criteria, so comparing one grade against another doesn't seem like it would be useful for anything, except if they were very far apart (e.g. comparing an A to an F.)
Greene Hornet
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09-06-2005 22:41
Well I guess our group is really happy Anne took the time to visit and fail us! Not so others in the SL community - I hear only 20 or so showed up for the burn main event...

Our theme was "Beyond the Sky" which we poorly communicated directly but with Anne's critique we've made more obvious. You tell me which is more inviting - a green earth with water or a barren (if modern) space station. Is that all there is "beyond the sky"?

Seems like a large investment on LL's part for such a small turnout. The most interactive and provocative builds might actually have included gross commercialism, like gambling, Tringo, or a sex club. Of course that was not allowed by the rules and the majority of residents yawned.

The RL festival includes a lot of high jinks that keep attendance up. Why would LL not promote this more, or even be more obvious in steering attendance? Where was Video Linden, or what about the home page?

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09-07-2005 06:04
From: Greene Hornet
Well I guess our group is really happy Anne took the time to visit and fail us! Not so others in the SL community - I hear only 20 or so showed up for the burn main event...

Our theme was "Beyond the Sky" which we poorly communicated directly but with Anne's critique we've made more obvious. You tell me which is more inviting - a green earth with water or a barren (if modern) space station. Is that all there is "beyond the sky"?

Seems like a large investment on LL's part for such a small turnout. The most interactive and provocative builds might actually have included gross commercialism, like gambling, Tringo, or a sex club. Of course that was not allowed by the rules and the majority of residents yawned.

The RL festival includes a lot of high jinks that keep attendance up. Why would LL not promote this more, or even be more obvious in steering attendance? Where was Video Linden, or what about the home page?

Come visit if you can!

I asked several times in LH for the time of this event. None of the Lindens logged in seemed to know as I got no responses. As a plot holder this year I was anxiously awaiting the burn event. It never made the events calendar either. I am befuddled as to why this wasn't put out there even maybe *gasp* with a worldwide live announcement ??? I am dismayed.
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09-07-2005 06:41
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As for the grading criteria, that's what the second photo was. Of course it's subjective, it's my opinion. There is no validity to any of the grades. It's simply how i chose to describe my personal enjoyment of the given build.

Disingenuous bullshit. Like: "I'm going to tell the world rude things about you -- but hey, it's okay, because it's just my opinion". Right.

It's rude and tactless, and just because the 'rules' allow it doesn't make it right. Real world "journalists" (I use the term loosely) who do this end up working for slimy publications like the National Enquirer and spend their days sorting through stacks of paparazzi submissions looking for yet another awful picture of Joan Collins.

A lot of people invested a lot of time and effort into their Burning Life builds. It's not a juried exhibition (and even if it were, you'd expect the judges to have some qualifications and some depth, which is pretty obviously not the case here).

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Isablan Neva
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09-07-2005 08:23
In all honesty, I believe it to be the grades that have offended more than anything else. There is a difference between offering constructive criticism and going out of one's way to be nasty.

I, too, applaud that somebody went through and documented the wonder of BL - given the total lack of Linden marketing effort, it probably made more people actually TP their pixelated behinds over to the BL sims to see what all the fuss was (of course, a good penis controversy had the same effect, so go figure...)

However, when I was younger (and I'm not saying how much younger) we used to play a little game in the big clubs in New York (the real one) called "Perch and Snipe." Perch and Snipe involved finding the best vantage point where you could see the entire club and "perching" there. Once a suitable perch had been found, the sniping could commence. Sniping involved tearing apart peoples clothing/hair/behavior/dancing/dates for private amusement and entertainment. The more savage the commentary, the better. It was always more fun to tear down than to praise the good. Perch and Snipe is a game of bitchery and superiority. As much of a human failing as it is, it was at least done in private.

We have all flown around SL and rolled our eyes and some of the builds and we have all made comments at least as nasty as AnneDroids - but we have so privately and amongst friends. It would have been one thing if she had toured BL with few companions and supplied scathing commentary privately, but she chose to tear people down in public and defended herself in comments

"Forseti, I hope I engender enough displeasure from the thin-skinned froum dellers to be completely excluded from their drama in the future. "

http://www.sluniverse.com/pics/pic.aspx?id=27844&sort=PictureID+desc#comments

So, the intent here is actually pretty clear. The whole point was to attack people into disliking her, even though few of us had even met her.

It would have been another story entirely if the grades had been left off and constructive criticism been inserted. "Lousy texturing" doesn't tell a builder who wants to improve very much. The delivery of the message is just as important as the content of the message.
Most of us who have builds at BL are not A+ builders, we could use some improvement and someone who offered a few tips to do so would have been a lot better received, but would not have engendered as much displeasure, which was Anne's goal.

My final critique: it was a good idea, poorly executed and totally without class.
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Dianne Mechanique
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09-07-2005 09:07
From: Seth Kanahoe
Nice thing about Pollack is, he'd probably agree with you. And then run you over with his car.
Hehe, indeed. :)

The sad thing about Pollack is that he got drawn into all the art theory crap at just the wrong time.
Practically everything he painted *before* the drippy stuff was fantastic, but he will forever only be known by those huge awful canvases in the history books.
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Jonquille Noir
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09-07-2005 10:29
I think Isablan pretty much summed up my feelings about all this as well. Not everyone can see the forest for the trees, or the message for the prims. The tech/sci-fi/mechanical builds got the best grades because that's the kind of stuff she's into. They're her opinion, and the grading isn't based on any real appreciation for or knowledge of art, it's just a game of Perch and Snipe.

If she sees nothing wrong with making bitchy, nasty comments about peoples' displays, it says more about her than the displays.


From: Isablan Neva
In all honesty, I believe it to be the grades that have offended more than anything else. There is a difference between offering constructive criticism and going out of one's way to be nasty.

I, too, applaud that somebody went through and documented the wonder of BL - given the total lack of Linden marketing effort, it probably made more people actually TP their pixelated behinds over to the BL sims to see what all the fuss was (of course, a good penis controversy had the same effect, so go figure...)

However, when I was younger (and I'm not saying how much younger) we used to play a little game in the big clubs in New York (the real one) called "Perch and Snipe." Perch and Snipe involved finding the best vantage point where you could see the entire club and "perching" there. Once a suitable perch had been found, the sniping could commence. Sniping involved tearing apart peoples clothing/hair/behavior/dancing/dates for private amusement and entertainment. The more savage the commentary, the better. It was always more fun to tear down than to praise the good. Perch and Snipe is a game of bitchery and superiority. As much of a human failing as it is, it was at least done in private.

We have all flown around SL and rolled our eyes and some of the builds and we have all made comments at least as nasty as AnneDroids - but we have so privately and amongst friends. It would have been one thing if she had toured BL with few companions and supplied scathing commentary privately, but she chose to tear people down in public and defended herself in comments

"Forseti, I hope I engender enough displeasure from the thin-skinned froum dellers to be completely excluded from their drama in the future. "

http://www.sluniverse.com/pics/pic.aspx?id=27844&sort=PictureID+desc#comments

So, the intent here is actually pretty clear. The whole point was to attack people into disliking her, even though few of us had even met her.

It would have been another story entirely if the grades had been left off and constructive criticism been inserted. "Lousy texturing" doesn't tell a builder who wants to improve very much. The delivery of the message is just as important as the content of the message.
Most of us who have builds at BL are not A+ builders, we could use some improvement and someone who offered a few tips to do so would have been a lot better received, but would not have engendered as much displeasure, which was Anne's goal.

My final critique: it was a good idea, poorly executed and totally without class.
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Camille Serpentine
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09-07-2005 10:59
I've asked the Lindens why Burning Life wasn't promoted much.

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