Choose one: 1. We win the war & Bush is a hero 2. We lose the war & Bush is impeached

Ok, this is not a thread to debate anything about why we started the war or any of the other arguments that have been talked about ad-nausea.

This is a simple question. You can only choose one outcome and cannot change any of the terms. Which one would you choose?

1. We win the war completely, freedom spreads all over the Middle East, President Bush goes down in history as a visionary, a world hero and wins the Nobel Peace Prize and the republicans win the 2008 Presidential Election.

2. We lose the war in spectacular fashion, Saddam is released from prison and retakes Iraq and goes back to business as usual, President Bush is disgraced, impeached, tried and convicted of war crimes and put in jail and the Democrats win the 2008 Presidential Election.

Pie!

3. Send Billy to a good school that will teach him some critical thinking skills and history. The world isn't black and white. You're aren't either with us or against us. Good and evil are subjective human constructs. The world has no use for narrow minded petty demagogues.

This wins the award for the most simple minded and biased thread ever.

I'm sorry Chip, I just like pie. That's a very black and white issue to me.

Okay, pick one of the following options...

1. I like pie so much I'll put one in each nostril, four in each shoe, and six down each pant leg, at least nine times a day for the rest of my life. If I ever fail to do so I am obviously a blatant pie hater and should be imprisoned for my pie hating ways.

3. I will never eat pie in my life... ever. I swear this upon the life of my mother who I will surrender to the authorities to be covered with jam and thrown in a vat of picnic ants if I ever so much as look at pie without first hitting the person who baked it.

8. Evil Martians invade and take over the world and use us as cattle.

Is this worth my taking him off ignore --or should I continue to enjoy my vacation?

It does have a certain humor value to it

You forgot option 3 & 4:

3. Someone catches Osama Bin Laden and he goes on trial for crimes against humanity. The US gets the frig out of Iraq and the Democrats are elected in 2008 to pay down the enormous debt that Bush has incurred.

4. Pecan Pie

I choose 2, because the long term effects will be better for us all, 20 or more years down the line. If the kind of heavy-handed 1984-esque tactics the current administration is using actually were successful, it would doom us all in the long run to living in a two-tiered dystopia, in which insiders run wild and everyone else is starving or in chains.

I'd rather sacrifice Iraq to Saddam than see that world.

Plus if Bush were convicted of war crimes it would send a message to future would-be hegemons, that over-arching, top-down force is not the way to "clean up" the world.

It's not personal really. I'd rather see option 3:

The US is forced to withdraw from attrition, Iraq breaks up into three states, and Bush quietly disappears from the world stage, to be replaced by a Reagan/Goldwater type of republican who focuses on the economy and keeps us out of international strife.

very well stated. though the pecan pie is awfully tempting.

Thanks. Maybe we'll have to do another one,

1. Bush and Pecan Pie
2. No Bush, but no Pecan Pie

- a tough decision for many

Okay I'll pick #1 --but can the Pecan Pie be the one in the Whitehouse, and Bush be the one in my freezer?

hahahahahahahaha!!!!!

I'm not really crazy about the attrition part.

This one is truly a gem. Almost stupid enough to be used in an actual GOP platform.

I so want that on a poster...I would say bumper sticker but it would cover my entire hatchback.

Billy, is it so implausible that some may be for peace in the middle east but against the manner in which it is being attained? I am "for" myself being wealthy and capable of giving millions to causes which I champion. I could rob some banks and and give the proceeds to those fighting for democracy. I may have to kill a some innocent people while robbing the banks but the outcome would be positive and the death of innocent folks would aid in the spread of freedom. In order to gain support for my bank heist operation, I may tell people that the banks are misusing their powers and giving money to terrorist factions. That would be a lie but it would garner support for my cause. Now if in the end I steal and lie enough to free North Korea from a tyrant will I then not be charged with the crimes I commited to come to that end? Would people say "Yes she lied, stole and killed but it was all in the name of furthering democracy."? No, I would be in jail where I belong because the end didn't justify the means.

America is not a country which relies on the for us or against us mentality; we leave that to the warlords. This is a country where people are free to choose which ideas we support and which ideas we do not. I support freedom for the Iraqi nationals without supporting the manner in which our country forced this freedom upon them. This is not an era of mutual exclusivity. I can support one idea while dismissing all others if I choose to do so and should not have to fear the neo-McCarthy's witch hunt in my search for answers.

You also have to ask yourself whether or not some countries are ready for democracy. Democracy is a fickle beast which even the US has not yet mastered. This governmental philosophy can easily fall prey to dictatorships and oligarchy especially when a country is so accustomed to that sort of regime. I am not going to construct a thesis on the evolution of government, I'll leave that to you. But it isn't an easy animal to train and I'll end it at that.

Thank goodness that's over with, these last 1,240 days have been killing me.

I love you Taco but only because I have a cat named after ya.

If it is so simple... just answer the question... rofl

Well, I'm severely allergic to pecans... and Bush makes be break out in hives... so for me its a no-brainer

If I really AM on your ignore list, how do you know what the heck this thread is about? BUSTED “El-Libo”!!! ROFL

And please don't take me off... I rather enjoy not having to respond to whatever information oozes out of your brain.

So far, Agatha is the only one with enough guts to answer the question.

Does anyone else have enough conviction to follow her lead? After all, it is a simple little stupid question and should be VERY easy to answer... right? lol.

I'd pick 1 of course. Like there's actually a choice there? What exactly do you think that proves?

Here, you pick one...

1. future forensic scientists researching the Clinton era discover that semen combined with cheap blue velvet creates hybrid cells that cure all known disease. Clinton is hailed as the greatest human being who ever lived. A new religion starts with Clinton as the savior and everyone in the world converts.

2. It's discovered that every accusation the right wing tried to pin on Cinton was true, and several thousand others they hadn't thought of. Photos surface of Clinton eating babies. The world is so outraged they invade the United States and we're all stacked into naked pyramids in detention centers with electrodes attached to our genitals.

So I suppose my answer wasn't good enough seeing as how I believe the options were not even remotely plausible....