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Ulrika Zugzwang
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10-24-2005 14:50
From: Kevn Klein
That's true, but a poll is... kisses and hugs my sweet :)
This is a false statement. An opinion poll is not a democratic process rather it is a survey of opinions using sampling. Fool.

~Ulrika~
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Kevn Klein
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10-25-2005 06:51
From: Ulrika Zugzwang
This is a false statement. An opinion poll is not a democratic process rather it is a survey of opinions using sampling. Fool.

~Ulrika~


My love,

All polls(elections are polls as well) use samplings.

Kisses and hugs, sweetie
Ulrika Zugzwang
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10-25-2005 08:46
From: Kevn Klein
All polls(elections are polls as well) use samplings.
This is a straw man argument (and a weird sentence). I stated that opinion polls are not a democratic process. Opinion polls are executed in such a way that randomly selected samples are used to determine the views of the whole group through statistical methods, while minimizing sampling error and response bias. It is an exercise in scientifically precise wording, execution, and documentation followed by a careful statistical analysis.

Elections don't "use samplings". (Whatever that means. :D) Instead, they seek a full vote and count only what arrives without using statistical methods to infer the opinion of the full populace. Fool.

~Ulrika~
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Kevn Klein
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10-25-2005 09:02
From: Ulrika Zugzwang
This is a straw man argument (and a weird sentence). I stated that opinion polls are not a democratic process. Opinion polls are executed in such a way that randomly selected samples are used to determine the views of the whole group through statistical methods, while minimizing sampling error and response bias. It is an exercise in scientifically precise wording, execution, and documentation followed by a careful statistical analysis.

Elections don't "use samplings". (Whatever that means. :D) Instead, they seek a full vote and count only what arrives without using statistical methods to infer the opinion of the full populace. Fool.

~Ulrika~


Baby,

You know how your personal attacks turn me on, and you keep doing it. I can only assume you want me as badly asI want you. kisses and hugs, my love
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10-25-2005 09:05
From: Ulrika Zugzwang
This is a straw man argument (and a weird sentence). I stated that opinion polls are not a democratic process. Opinion polls are executed in such a way that randomly selected samples are used to determine the views of the whole group through statistical methods, while minimizing sampling error and response bias. It is an exercise in scientifically precise wording, execution, and documentation followed by a careful statistical analysis.

Elections don't "use samplings". (Whatever that means. :D) Instead, they seek a full vote and count only what arrives without using statistical methods to infer the opinion of the full populace. Fool.

~Ulrika~


Pefectly described. :cool:
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Kevn Klein
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10-25-2005 09:13
From: Ulrika Zugzwang
This is a straw man argument (and a weird sentence). I stated that opinion polls are not a democratic process. Opinion polls are executed in such a way that randomly selected samples are used to determine the views of the whole group through statistical methods, while minimizing sampling error and response bias. It is an exercise in scientifically precise wording, execution, and documentation followed by a careful statistical analysis.

Elections don't "use samplings". (Whatever that means. :D) Instead, they seek a full vote and count only what arrives without using statistical methods to infer the opinion of the full populace. Fool.

~Ulrika~


Democracy is "mob rule", right? I believe the government we have is called a Representative Republic.

The "Democratic process" only elects Christians to lead this nation. I bet you really love that :)
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10-25-2005 09:26
A Democracy can be described as Government by the people, exercised either directly or through elected representatives.

Though there is no direct democracy at the federal level, it most certainly exists on the state level. See also Liberal Democracy. :cool:
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Kevn Klein
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10-25-2005 09:36
From: Gabe Lippmann
A Democracy can be described as Government by the people, exercised either directly or through elected representatives.

Though there is no direct democracy at the federal level, it most certainly exists on the state level. See also Liberal Democracy. :cool:


Good thing the country is run by the Federal government :)

Who would want mob rule, besides the mob? :)
Zuzu Fassbinder
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10-25-2005 09:40
From: Kevn Klein
Democracy is "mob rule", right? I believe the government we have is called a Representative Republic.

The "Democratic process" only elects Christians to lead this nation. I bet you really love that :)


The US is an Oligarchy of the rich with a veneer of democracy that allows us to chose which rich guys are in charge (if we bother to vote).

Equal representation means one dollar, one vote.
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Ulrika Zugzwang
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10-25-2005 09:54
From: Kevn Klein
I believe the government we have is called a Representative Republic.
The U.S. government is actually referred to as a Democratic Republic, although it's much more complex than that moniker implies.

It's, in fact, comprised of three quasi-representative branches called the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial branches. The Executive branch is elected through an electoral college in a winner-takes-all contest that only provides representation for members of its own party. The Legislative branch is bicameral comprised of the House of Representatives and the Senate. The House allocates seats to states according to population and is the closest thing the U.S. has to a representative body. The Senate allocates two seats for each state, giving states with low population equal footing with larger states (this is an attempt to protect minority interests against democratic interests). Finally, the Judicial branch is a meritocracy selected for life by the Executive branch to enforce the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Among other things, this branch protects inalienable rights from majority law making.

To summarize, the U.S. has three branches containing four bodies, which are a winner-takes-all quasi-representative body, a population-based representative body, a state-based representative body, and a meritocracy. *Whew*

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The "Democratic process" only elects Christians to lead this nation.
This is a false statement. Individuals other than "Christians" are elected.

~Ulrika~
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Ulrika Zugzwang
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10-25-2005 09:58
From: Zuzu Fassbinder
The US is an Oligarchy of the rich with a veneer of democracy that allows us to chose which rich guys are in charge (if we bother to vote).
The separation of Church and State was prescient. The lack of a similar separation of Money and State is regrettable. :(

~Ulrika~
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10-25-2005 10:03
From: Ulrika Zugzwang
To summarize, the U.S. has three branches containing four bodies, which are a winner-takes-all quasi-representative body, a population-based representative body, a state-based representative body, and a meritocracy.


Yes, but did you know that the US Constitution makes special exception for ghosts?

Clause 2: The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the *Life* of the Person attainted.

Personally I think something should be done.
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Kevn Klein
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10-25-2005 10:16
From: Ulrika Zugzwang
The U.S. government is actually referred to as a Democratic Republic, although it's much more complex than that moniker implies.

It's, in fact, comprised of three quasi-representative branches called the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial branches. The Executive branch is elected through an electoral college in a winner-takes-all contest that only provides representation for members of its own party. The Legislative branch is bicameral comprised of the House of Representatives and the Senate. The House allocates seats to states according to population and is the closest thing the U.S. has to a representative body. The Senate allocates two seats for each state, giving states with low population equal footing with larger states (this is an attempt to protect minority interests against democratic interests). Finally, the Judicial branch is a meritocracy selected for life by the Executive branch to enforce the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Among other things, this branch protects inalienable rights from majority law making.

To summarize, the U.S. has three branches containing four bodies, which are a winner-takes-all quasi-representative body, a population-based representative body, a state-based representative body, and a meritocracy. *Whew*

This is a false statement. Individuals other than "Christians" are elected.

~Ulrika~


Don't forget the fact the senate has a filibuster to further deny the majority rule.

The constitution can't be changed with a majority((50% + 1) vote either.

No president has ever been elected who didn't believe in Jesus Christ.
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10-25-2005 10:25
From: Kevn Klein

No president has ever been elected who didn't believe in Jesus Christ.


Or at least pretend to convincingly
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10-25-2005 10:30
From: Zuzu Fassbinder
Or at least pretend to convincingly


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10-25-2005 10:36
From: Kevn Klein
Who would want mob rule, besides the mob? :)


Most Evangelical Christians :p
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10-25-2005 11:13
From: Kevn Klein
Are ghosts real?



Sure - ghosts afterall are the subject of several major motions pictures! (Like who are ya gona' call?)


Some experience ghosts to be discarnate spirits that need to contact living humans to fullfill their earthly desires. The ghosts linger on the physical plane due to a violently/abruptly dis-connection with their bodies at death - and thus they linger until they have fullfilled their unrealized karma/sanskaric connections.

Ain't death grand?!



:p :cool: :)
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10-25-2005 11:16
From: Ulrika Zugzwang
Below is a partial list of things which do not exist:
  1. visitors from another planet
  2. ghosts
  3. witches
  4. leprechauns
  5. sasquatch
  6. Easter Bunny
  7. Tooth Fairy
  8. Santa Claus
  9. God (all flavors)

Please adjust your superstitions or belief systems accordingly.

~Ulrika~



You forgot the most essiential illusion from the list - you, Ulrika!

:D
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Lacey Fardel
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10-25-2005 13:59
From: Kevn Klein
Don't tell the witches they don't exist, it will harm their self esteem. :)

http://www.witchvox.com/

I thought wiccans are witches too, but that's is a different topic.

Ghosts, are they real? That's the poll question in this thread.


:::touches self:::: yep, I'm real :D. Not believing in witches doesn't harm this witch's self esteem. Born and raised Pagan and have my own beliefs and disbeliefs. Diversity is grand but ignorance really isn't bliss ;)

All wiccans are witches but not all wtiches are wiccan. In case you were *really* interested :)

Oh, and I believe in *ghosts* too
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10-25-2005 14:14
Since Ulrika hasn't responded yet...

Has your existence been verified by repeatable physical experiment and published in a peer-reviewed journal? :D
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10-25-2005 14:15
From: Zuzu Fassbinder
SNIP


Wow. That is definitely out of my scope. But it is definitely a good way to do some valid research that can be possibly taken seriously by the scientific community.
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Zuzu Fassbinder
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10-25-2005 14:26
From: Ananda Sandgrain

Has your existence been verified by repeatable physical experiment

yes, I do it every day
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and published in a peer-reviewed journal?

Yes, by allowing my name on peer reviewed jounal publications they are recognising my existance.

Does this make me special? :D
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10-25-2005 14:33
Yes! *hugs*
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Ulrika Zugzwang
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10-25-2005 15:08
From: Zuzu Fassbinder
Or at least pretend to convincingly
:D
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Ulrika Zugzwang
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10-25-2005 15:11
From: Ananda Sandgrain
Has your existence been verified by repeatable physical experiment and published in a peer-reviewed journal? :D
Publication is irrelevant to establishing existence. The fact that my existence can be tested repeatably is sufficient. In fact it's trivial. :D

However the existence of supernatural beings (ghosts, gods, vorpal bunnies) cannot be tested repeatably. :(

~Ulrika~
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